pattygreen

You are soooo hypocritical! You posted a video with mcCain voters who were asked questions about the election and Sarah Palin that made them look just as stupid, yet when I post one opposite of yours, it's sooooo wrong.:thumbup: (if it was not you who posted it a while back, then I ask your forgiveness, and I will go back and try to find it) When someone on the right says something that is stupid, you leftys jump all over it as well!

The Bible Speaks On Welfare Since 1964 the United States Governments (Federal and State) have transferred over five trillion dollars from the middle class and the rich to the poor. Are the poor better off today or have they become more enslaved and dependent on government? How much is five trillion dollars? A billion dollars is one thousand million dollars. A trillion dollars is one thousand billion dollars, thus five trillion dollars is five thousand billion dollars. That amount is inconceivable to the human mind. That is how much government has taken from the middle and rich class and transferred it to the poor. This money did not cost the poor anything. They did not have to earn it. It was given them. This scenario described is why so many are up in arms about the subject of welfare. There are still over three million Americans on the welfare rolls. Some are being helped by it and learning to stand on their own feet someday. This is the goal. Others have become enslaved by it and are dependent on it. Some are second, third and even fourth generation dependents on welfare. There are special cases where some are worthy of help and compassion such as the disabled veteran, other disabled, orphans, handicapped, retarded and other extraordinary cases. These can be helped when there is no one else to help them. The average middle class worker today works till the middle of May each year for the government. Everything they earn from January till about the middle of May is taxed and taken by the government in some form. These hard working people are feeling slighted that some of their money is given to some poor people who have not earned it and do not deserve it. Needless to say, welfare is a very volatile subject and our goal again is to find out what the Bible says. 1. No work, no eat. II Thessalonians 3:6-12, “Now we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that ye withdraw yourselves from every brother that walketh disorderly, and not after the tradition which he received of us. For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man’s bread for nought; but wrought with labour and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.” This is the simplest answer in the Bible concerning the subject. 2. A man who does not take care of his own is despicable. I Timothy 5:8, “But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.” It is about the worst indictment a man could receive to be called “worse than an infidel.” This is not the governments job, but a man’s job to take care of his own. Even deadbeat dads should be hunted down and forced to care for their own as long as they live. Jesse Ventura, Governor of Minnesota said, “It’s not the governments job to make up for your mistakes.” 3. Widows are to be cared for by their family, not government or church. I Timothy 5:3-10,16 “Honour widows that are widows indeed. But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God. Now she that is a widow indeed, and desolate, trusteth in God, and continueth in supplications and prayers night and day. But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth. And these things give in charge, that they may be blameless. But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel. Let not a widow be taken into the number under threescore years old, having been the wife of one man, Well reported of for good works; if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she have washed the saints’ feet, if she have relieved the afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. If any man or woman that believeth have widows, let them relieve them, and let not the church be charged; that it may relieve them that are widows indeed.” Leviticus 22:13, “But if the priest’s daughter be a widow, or divorced, and have no child, and is returned unto her father’s house, as in her youth, she shall eat of her father’s meat: but there shall no stranger eat thereof.” There is such a widow that is worthy of Church support. She is called a “widow indeed” or “desolate” in this text. As you note the requirements, she is a rare case: • Desolate - I Timothy 5:5 (No living husband, children, nephews etc.). • Over 60 years old - I Timothy 5:9. • Never been divorced - I Timothy 5:9. • Well reported of having done good works for others - I Timothy 5:10. • Brought up her children - I Timothy 5:10. • Lodged strangers - I Timothy 5:10. • Washed feet, humbly served others - I Timothy 5:10. • Relieved the afflicted - I Timothy 5:10. • Followed every good work - I Timothy 5:10. These are certainly extraordinary conditions before such a widow can receive welfare from the church (I Timothy 5:16). 4. The extended family is to care for all family members. I Timothy 5:4, “But if any widow have children or nephews, let them learn first to shew piety at home, and to requite their parents: for that is good and acceptable before God.” Not only should children care for their parents, but nephews should care for their aunts and uncles! We are far from this today. We do not even think like this today. Yet this is Bible. The word “requite” means “pay back.” If parents have taken care of their children for twenty years at the beginning of their lives, then children should be willing to take care of their parents for twenty years at the end of their lives. The word “piety” means “respect” or “support.” This is God’s social security plan. 5. Government should strengthen the hand of the poor and needy, not weaken it. Ezekiel 16:49-50, “Behold, this was the iniquity of thy sister Sodom, pride, fulness of bread, and abundance of idleness was in her and in her daughters, neither did she strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. And they were haughty, and committed abomination before me: therefore I took them away as I saw good.” One of the reasons God destroyed the four cities on the plain was that they did not strengthen the hand of the poor and needy. Government should try to strengthen the poor, not make them weaker. If the government is going to give things away, instead of giving fish, they should give a fishing pole. Then the poor would have the means to go out and catch their own fish. If government, church or individuals help the poor it should only be in such a way to get them started in helping themselves. This principle is taught in the law of God: Leviticus 19:9-10, “And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not wholly reap the corners of thy field, neither shalt thou gather the gleanings of thy harvest. And thou shalt not glean thy vineyard, neither shalt thou gather every grape of thy vineyard; thou shalt leave them for the poor and stranger: I am the LORD your God.” Leviticus 23:22, “And when ye reap the harvest of your land, thou shalt not make clean riddance of the corners of thy field when thou reapest, neither shalt thou gather any gleaning of thy harvest: thou shalt leave them unto the poor, and to the stranger: I am the LORD your God.” (The widow Ruth practiced this in Ruth 2:1-3.) By giving away free handouts (the fancy word today is “entitlements”) the poor are weakened. They do not learn the value and self satisfaction of industriousness. The poor should not be weakened but strengthened. People should depend on themselves not on the government. 6. Even in great distress the poor paid what they could for help from government. Genesis 41:53-57, “And the seven years of plenteousness, that was in the land of Egypt, were ended. And the seven years of dearth began to come, according as Joseph had said: and the dearth was in all lands; but in all the land of Egypt there was bread. And when all the land of Egypt was famished, the people cried to Pharaoh for bread: and Pharaoh said unto all the Egyptians, Go unto Joseph; what he saith to you, do. And the famine was over all the face of the earth: And Joseph opened all the storehouses, and sold unto the Egyptians; and the famine waxed sore in the land of Egypt. And all countries came into Egypt to Joseph for to buy corn; because that the famine was so sore in all lands.” No handouts here. The poor paid for what they could from the government. Remember, this was all by the directive of God through Joseph who had been sold into Egypt as a slave. He grew and by the blessing of God became second to the leader, Pharaoh, in all the land. Even in great distress the government should avoid the practice of free handouts. Some state governors are replacing welfare with workfare. 7. Government should judge the poor. Psalms 72:2,4, “He shall judge thy people with righteousness, and thy poor with judgment. He shall judge the poor of the people, he shall save the children of the needy, and shall break in pieces the oppressor.” Proverbs 31:9, “Open thy mouth, judge righteously, and plead the cause of the poor and needy.” Isaiah 11:4, “But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.” Some of the poor need a helping hand untill they get on their own feet. This should only be in times of great distress and for as short of duration as possible. Other poor need a kick in the pants. The government should make this righteous judgment. The church should make this righteous judgment. Individuals should make this righteous judgment. Those who are worthy should be helped. Those not worthy should not be helped. Jesus said in John 7:24, “Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.” Righteous judgment of the poor would be included. Helping the poor is certainly part of the Christian faith. Giving to the poor that be worthy is taught throughout Scripture. Revival in this teaching and practice in the Christian church could relieve all government welfare programs. Let us illustrate: There are 260 million Americans. Forty percent of them attend some sort of a “Christian” church each Sunday. That is 104 million. These attend 1.5 million churches across America. There are 3 million recipients of welfare in America right now. If each church helped two families get on their feet if possible, welfare could be eliminated. Remember, there was a day when our country did not have welfare. Families and Christians helped each other. Now we have relied on the government and socialism is creeping in. Welfare seems to be the card some in government are playing to promote their socialist agenda.Pastor Kohl (a baptist minister)

In 2 Thessalonians chapter 3 the apostle warns against idleness starting in verse 6 and ending with verse 10, he says, "If a man will not work, he shall not eat." The whole teaching is to encourage people to not be loafers who will live off of the giving of others. Paul did not say that he never accepted hospitality, but the he had not depended on other people for his living. There is also a commandment that tells us that we should not steal. When someone takes your money unwillingly, and does as they see fit with it, it is wrong. It is important for Christians to give to the poor, and to help their fellow man, and noone has an arguement with that. It is just not right for the government to take your money and dole it out to every Tom, Dick and Harry who says they need it.

When you allow safety nets, as you call them, it encourages dependency and discourages those who receive the help from helping themselves. they begin to feel a sense of entitlement even though they are not working or entitled to anythng. Liberals may not want a lifelong dependencay, but they support every agency out there that gives freely to anyone who meets the guidelines. This WILL encourage lifelong dependency and if the government continues to add more and more programs with giveaways, we will bankrupt ourselves. OOPS! Sorry, we are already there.:thumbup:

I have learned through the word, that after you die your soul goes directly to God where it will live eternally, if you believe in him and want to be in his family. If you don't want God to be your father, then you will be seperated from him as you desire. The place where he sends all unbelievers is called Hell. This place is not as people would have you believe with fire and brimstone. It is a place where you are seperated from 'love', (God is love) and it will be torturous to your soul because you know that there is a place where you could have been that is full of love and eternal happiness and joy, and you chose to be seperated from that. Hell is the opposite of all that is Heaven. The bible describes heaven and the opposite of it is very hard to take. I will choose heaven for my destination after this life.

I love that I can sleep in on Sundays without guilt also, AND be in God's family. There is a difference between belonging in God's family and belonging in organized religion. Organized religion is man trying to reach God someway, somehow through what their authorities deem necessary to reach him.(EX: penance,living righteously,baptism,acts of service, whatever, every church has their thing) Belonging in God's family is an absence of all that legality and regulations and rules, and it is a personal, individual relationship with God, our Creator and Savior. The word of God is all you need. Not some church building, not some priest or minister, not some laws and rules that man made up for their followers, nothing. Just the word. Jesus, he's the word of God. He gave mankind the bible so we could know him. It is every man's decision, to be made during this lifetime only, whether to accept him or reject him. That's why we are here. To make that decision.

This youtube shows exactly how Obama got elected. You need to view it all to get the real effects of it.

I believe that Bush got a pass on alot of things that he did because people were not paying as close attention as they are now. Just because the American people have awakened themselves to Washington, and are now interested in the happenings there (mostly due to the effects the economy is having on everyone) doesn't mean we should ignore what Obama is doing as well, like we did with Bush. Since Obama is doing alot more of the same as Bush did, that's all the more reason to put a stop to it! You need to get off your blind, infatuated 'Love" for the man and see what he is actually doing to our nation. You need to stop comparing him to Bush and get over that. Obama is in office now and what he does is relevent, not what Bush did or didn't do. Shame on Bush if he didn't do things proper. What can we say or do about it now? Let's focus on Obama and his administration and tackle him and his agenda.

No. Never! I would not dare think that. God has a plan for every life. Even the hard lives. The only good thing that comes from an abortion is the soul that died went straight to God and lives eternally with him. If it were not for that, I would be devestated at the many souls that did not get their opportunity to come into this world and make that one most important decision that every human being needs to make which is to accept Jesus as their savior. God is gracious! I'm thankful for that.

Everyone will take what is offered for free. It is the governments fault for tempting the people with these free handouts, and it needs to be stopped. But, it is the liberals who wants to keep the people dependant on the government. It is a wonderful thing to help the least among us. I embrace that concept as well, and help many people out financially. But, it is my place to do that with my money, not the governments. I understand this and want the people to be free to give from their hearts to whatever cause in society that moves them. Did you see how the american people stepped up to the plate for the people of Haiti? We are a very generous and giving nation. We don't need the government to 'order' us or 'make' us give. We will give when we see a need.

Saying that conservatives are more moral than liberals is a far cry from saying that you have to be a republican in order to go to heaven. Maybe you don't understand what it takes to enter Heaven. It is not your good or bad deeds that determine your destination. It is your belief in Jesus to bring you there because you can not get there without him.(which is faith) So, whether you are 'moral' enough, or not, will not be the deciding factor for mankind. Mainly because there is noone who can be moral enough. When Ann C. said that liberalism is the opposition to God, I truly understand what she is saying. Liberals oppose many of the things that God deems right and wrong. I can name a few. Homosexuality, abortion, taking from the rich to give to the poor, etc. She did not say that it will keep them out of Heaven. Our sins are forgiven if we have faith in God and believe in his Son and the sacrifice he made for us, and she knows this as well I'm sure.

I see it differently. Obama is allowing terrorists of war to be tried as civilians with all the rights of civilians, and they are our countries enemies of War. Why? What is the reason for it. He knows that the people are against it, and that it will cost millions to do it, yet he wants it done here rather than in military tribunals. He needs to listen to the people. He wants to close guantanimo bay. Why? I have yet to hear the reasons for doing it.

I can't comment on it because I know nothing about it. I'll try to look into that show. Maybe it's taped somewhere.

People who are poor don't always stay that way. Everyone starts out there usually, unless you have wealthy parents who provide for you. I certainly was poor at 19 years old, but I CHOSE to save my money and pay for a CNA class and better myself financially. It took 8 weeks of school and it gave me a $5.00 an hour increase over my minimum wage job. This increase allowed me to CHOOSE to save even more money for other education that bettered my career choices. Now, you can make fun of that, or you can see the reality in it. Anyone CAN better themselves if they put on their thinking caps and use a little incentive, motivation and brain power instead of sitting on their duff and being comfortable with their situation. Some things in life take a little sacrifice. It doesn't just plop into your lap, although I'm sure you liberals don't think that way. You would love for the government to be your wealthy parents who support you and get you through life without any worries. I understand your need for the government security blanket. But, conservatives want to be able to care for themselves for the most part.

See that? I think it's important to be able to choose who the running mate is going to be as well. I may stick it out as a republican.

I was a teenager of 19 when I got pregnant with my first child. I know all about being young and pregnant. I kept my baby. I'm glad I did. He is now 28 years old and doing fine. He went to HS and College and is making a good life for himself. I didn't want to have a baby at 19, when I could barely support my own self at the time. I did the best I could and made it work. I started out with nothing, and was determined to grow and better myself. I could have stayed down and allowed the welfare programs to keep me down, but I didn't. That's the first option. Help yourself. The second option would be adoption for the baby. Many parents want children and can't have them. Another option is family. Many people who are young and/or poor have family around who love them and will help them. Another option is the father of the child, or his family. They should be there to help raise the baby. I believe that if abortion were not an option, then people will make due because they would have to. It beats killing them.

I believe that there is a God because I have been a witness to his reality in my life. Once I became his child by asking him to show me the way and to save me from my sins, I was changed. Not over night, mind you, but slowly and gradually over a period of time, and through reading his word. I am no longer the same person I was before my conversion. The only thing that Christians have that they can prove to themselves and even to others is their own life changing experience when God made them a part of his family and came to reside within them.

It doesn't matter who bjean was speaking to, because it's not true. That is not found anywhere in the bible. I believe bjean made that up. Besides, I'm sure bjean was not speaking about you, for you are very soft spoken and gentle with your words.

Oh brother!!!! And I bet you thought when he started out saying "buckle up your seat belt, America" He meant a literal seat belt. Or did he mean "get ready?" And the next line, when he said, "Prepare for a crash landing..." He meant that Obama would get his airplane license and there would be a real crash somewhere. instead of the economy crashing. (have you never heard of an analogy?) And I bet when he said "The pilot will steer it into the trees" he meant a literal tree, and not the economy spiraling down and crashing. And I bet when he said "They are taking you to a place to be slaughtered" He meant Obama will literally slaughter us with a knife, like they do cows on the farm for consumption, instead of what he really meant which was our economy and the financial stability of the people is being ruined by this group of people in the WH. That's the problem with you liberals. everything is sooo literal when it suits you. Face it. The majority of Americans do NOT think like you do. The ratings on your liberal news shows prove that. FOX is the #1 trusted news station in America, and for good reason. If you feel that the majority of the people in this country are wrong and you, the minority, are right in the way you think, then you are like Obama in a way, with your arrogance. Look up todays airing of Glenn Beck and you will see how he defended what that idiot had to say about him and how she twisted what he said and tried to make him out to be hateful and spreading fear to the people. You know, give us humans a little credit. We actually CAN think for ourselves and form our own opinions. No one, but the opposing view of course, saw anything remotely wrong with anything that he said. The contents of what he spoke on was the economy, and what he said was very true.

You said it, not me. Can you back that up with a bible reference?

Because some human being might put a strain on finances for others, we should kill them? WOW! What about those human beings who don't get aborted and grow up and become something in this world and make great contributions to society? Who says that all the abortions that are performed would have been children that will be a 'drain' on the economy?

Where does he tell us that?

ALL people tend to read the things that they agree with. You do the same. I keep abreast of what other liberal papers share, and I watch MSNBC or CNN, but can't stand to linger there long since I rarely agree with what they have to report.

He should have gotten the death penalty. He outright confessed to the murder and even went so far as to say he would do it again. He has no regrets.