pattygreen

Oh really? Your wrong doings in your life NEVER affected anyone but you? I think you're the one missing the chip.

I finished college with 10, so why not.

You have a serious problem with name calling. These are just a sample of your immaturity....selfish, insane, cuckoo bird, freakazoid, nuts, delusional.... You know what they say about people who continually resort to name calling? They lack self confidence, and feel the need to berate others with names to lift themselves higher. But to me, it only makes you look pitiful. Just a little information about me: I can't say that I have never told a lie, but I can say that I make it my policy to be very truthful when I speak. I am very consious of lying and I disrespect lying from other people. Therefore, when I tell you that I repaid my assistance, I did. But I could care less if you believe me or not.

We all have sooo much to say about the wrongs of others, but we can't even see our own wrongs at times.

It is greedy. I never said that she wasn't irresponsible. I just feel that the world is casting the first stone at her before taking a look at the boulder they should throw at themselves.

You think you would apologize for your nasty remark to me about doubting that I would pay back any assistance I recieved. But I'm getting to know you through your posts, and I should never have expected you to. Stupid me.

I can't come to CA for I have my own family to care for in CT, but I will help her out. I feel that even though she made bad choices, her children didn't.

THIS last paragraph is where I consider you NASTY. (aside from all your namecalling)

So all you got from that interview were the negative points in her situation? Those can be overcome. How about the fact that she didn't murder any of them when she found out there were 8 growing in her? How about the fact that she is almost done with her education? How about the fact that she will love them and give them 100% of herself as their mom?

Plain, in most states, you can only recieve welfare for 1 year. Then you must work. Your welfare is cut off. The state helps people to prepare for their exit from assistance. That's how it is here in CT. She, too has a plan to finish school and get a job. I hope she succeeds. Listen, you can't turn back the clock. I don't feel that she should have done what she did, even though the laws that you agree to in this country says she can. But, she meant to have 7 children, and now she has fourteen. It's done. I think if her getting foodstamps for a year or two until she graduates is such a tragedy to some out there, then work to get rid of the laws that help everyone else out there and shut up about it. How dare someone apply for assistance wen they put themselves into their own situations! Well, EVERYONE who gets assistance in some way, whether it be foodstamps or welfare, or WIC or housing funds, or energy assistance, etc. put themselves in their own situation by either something they chose or something they didn't do that they should have done.

She can use food stamps, and WIC for the next year and a half till she is done with school and then get a job in her field. I worked out of my home for the last 8 years and averaged an $80,000. paycheck annually. She can do the same until the children are in school full time. She can stay with her parents until she can get a place of her own. If I were her, I would take advantage of the nosiness and buttinskiness of the country and get paid for my interviews. Oh, believe me, more people want to hear from her. She can write a book.(have someone do it for her even) She can sell the rights to a movie on her story. She will have so many opportunities to create funds, you wouldn't believe it!

I wonder if you would talk the way you do to people if youwere face to face with them. You are a very nasty person. Yes, for your information, My husband paid back the state for every penny at $50. a month for many years. Then we increased our payment as we could afford to until it was paid off. You can just thank God that you never were in need of any help from the state at any time in your life. But then again, maybe if you had been in need, just once, you might be a little more understanding when someone tells you that they had to have help at one time. I am not proud of having to be on welfare at age 19 for a year and a half. But I had no other alternative at the time and I am grateful that it was there for me then. You think the Duggars are nuts for having so many kids? How many did you have? Well, what if I said I think you're nuts for having none, or 1, or 2. You must think I'm nuts for choosing 10.

Plain, I heard her say that she wanted 1 more child and that she put the same amount of embryos inside her in her last pregnancy as all the rest of them (6) She said the chances of them all taking were very slim. She was shocked to find out that she was carrying 7 babies (so she thought) I understand that not everyone can have alot of children and handle the stress of it or the busyness of the lifestyle it brings, but what makes everyone think that she can't handle it? Is it just because you wouldn't be able to? Yes, it is her right to have as many children as she chooses. In this country, we do not have laws that limit this, like in China. I'm not saying that I approve of her making a decision to do this without being financially secure or without having a father to help raise them (I personally would not choose to do it), but I am saying that she has a right to if she chooses to. Women can do what they want with their bodies in this country dispite that others may feel it is wrong. (We see it every day here with abortions being performed.) Lastly, Kids don't need 'stuff'. Yes, they need food and clothing and a home and love and attention, but not 'stuff'. I think that she will be able to feed and clothe her children and she will be able to give them alot of love and attention. Probably more love and attention then some who only have 1 child give.

Balogny! It doesn't cost nearly that! I raised 10 children and my husband and I lived on $38,000. annually. We had a mortgage and we all ate well. My kids never lacked for anything. While my husband and I could never save any money to send them all to college, each one of them found a way to attend after graduating high school. (Either with student loans or grants.) I still have 3 left in High school, and I'm sure they will also go to college. The largest expense to having children is the formula the first year and the diapers till their toilet trained. After that, it's the grocery bill. I never understood where people come up with these stupid ideas of the cost to raise a child. If you make 30,000. a year, then that's what it costs. If you have to do without a new car, then you do without. I went to consignment shops for clothing and used coupons on groceries. Money isn't everything. I grew up in a large family. My parents had 8 kids. We were very poor, but I never knew it. We went to the beach alot, we went sledding in the winter, we had many hikes and picnics and went camping together. We were loved very much. Yes, I remember wearing my sisters hand me downs in High school, but it never bothered me. My motherinlaw came from a family of 14 siblings. They lived in upstate NY and were very poor. But she says she had the best life despite not having much money. The children will be happy and fine if their mom loves them and shows it.

You are right in what you say. I agree, and will try to keep that in mind.

Then why didn't she trust God to "open her womb"? Apparently God didn't want her to have children; otherwise, doctors playing god would not have had to intervene. God's plan was for men and women to get married and procreate through sex. It was man who decided, "If I can't conceive that way, I'll try it this way."(IVF) Man did not take into consideration that embryos would sometimes be destroyed with this process. Something I'm sure would not meet his approval. (Once again, man does what he wants to do to get whatever he wants in life) In this case, a child. Maybe God didn't want her to have children, and she chose to have them anyway. Who knows? Maybe God's plan was for her to meet a nice man and get married and then he would give her children later in life. Either way, she was impatient and wanted them now, so she had IVF. I'm not saying that what she did was right, I'm just saying that we all have done what she's done on some level or other. Many of us have had help from the gov. in some way or other on a smaller or larger scale than she. (Food stamps, energy assistance, WIC, state medical ins., student loans, etc.) Right now it's her turn. So what. She was irrisponsible to have so many children, at her choice, without the means to support them, but so do so many people in the world. There is such a thing as birth control, but many didn't use it and now have 1 more child to support that they can't afford. How is that different? Oh, I know it will be hard for her, with 8 infants all at once, but she will do it. She will have help, just like we all do when we only bring 1 home from the hospital. She says she didn't take any money from dateline for her first TV appearance, but if I were her, I would have held out for the highest bidder on an interview and took a million or more to talk with someone. This could have helped her tremendously. The world was waiting to hear from her. She blew that opportunity. (Before you say anything about how wrong that would have been, take a look at some celebrities who sold 1st photos of their babies to magazines for millions.)

Wow! You are pretty judgemental. Just because you may not be able to do it, doesn't mean she won't be able to. I can't stand it when people put everybody in the same category. I had 10 children, and found it a breeze. I gave them all unconditional love and attention. As a family, we helped each other. My sister-in-law used to say I was crazy because she only had 2 boys and she was going out of her mind. Everyone is different. Believe it or not, some people never get stressed out. I'm that way. I don't even know what stress feels like. God gives each of us the ability to cope with our own situations. (She expressed her belief in God in her interview last night on dateline.)

Didn't she say "if only", "if only" , "if only" enough times. I say if only she knew what it was like to be fat.

At 2 weeks post op, you still have a wide opening between your '2' stomachs, and I think your gum will go right through it. It isn't until after you have some fills that you experience many things getting stuck. I am 6 cc in a 10 cc band, and to be on the safe side, I cut my pills that I swallow in half so they don't get stuck. Just call and ask your doctor what he thinks. It will only take a phone call to know for sure. God bless. Patty

IVF, in my opinion, would be fine if there was a way to keep from killing any unused fertilized eggs that have formed a human being. Some couples who use IVF do so after many failed attemps to get pregnant, and it is a blessing for them, but since life begins at conception, when you make babies in a dish and then discard those you don't use, it's murder. I feel that the industry needs to find a better way.

Even though it seems the whole world is against her for making a decision to have so many children, I have to say that I respect her decision for not aborting them after she was aware that all 7 (so she thought) were alive and well. While I don't agree that she was being very wise in her decision to bring children into the world without a father in the picture, she was wise to deliver what God had given her.

I believe it is a social justice issue as well. But I also believe that EVERY issue is a 'religious' issue. Simply because I believe that everything that goes on in this earth is under God's divine plan for man.

So what. You don't have to believe in God to listen to what someone else might say about what they believe.

Did you hear about the plane that landed on the Hudson River a few days ago? I don't know about you, but it is refreshing to see a news story with a wonderful outcome for a change. That's the kind of news I like to hear! The pilot was tremendous! He truely knew how to think and respond quickly. All 155 people survived. I think God had other plans for those onboard!:huh2: