pattygreen

I agree with you that Phil needs to support her more than anyone else. He is the worst one for putting her in the public eye and then telling her not to go for all that media attention. Hypocrite. As for her mom's house. She and her kids may have lived with her mom, but why is it her fault that her mom didn't pay her mortgage? I heard that she was giving her a reduced rent payment every month. I think she is losing her home because her husband is in the service and they are getting a divorce. Even if Nadya didn't live there, her mom would still be losing her house. I'll bet her mom moves into her new home with her.

I voted, no. She just made some wrong choices. One of which was deciding to have children without a husband or father for them. Someone who could support her and help her to raise them. Crazy? No, just irresponsible in her decision making. Some people don't know how to look ahead of their choices and see the consequences or problems associated with them. For example, people who suffer with the sin of gluttony just can't seem to understand the consequences of overeating. Even though they know what putting that fork up to their mouth will do, they continue to do it. They know it will make them fat, and they will suffer for it later, but they continue to eat, eat and eat some more. They don't want to look down the road at diabetes, heart disease or any other obesity rellated health problems. She, too, didn't look down the road at what having so many kids without the means to support them would do. She shouldn't have continued to put that fork up to her mouth, but she wanted a big family. We all do wrong in life, and have to bare the consequences. She's baring hers now, and we're baring ours. She's not crazy, just human.

I believe you are just as extreme in your views on a womans choice, but I don't begrudge you that. I agree with your statement that I scorn research that could save many lives, but only if the research murders many more lives in order to save others.

Some here are quit contradictory. For one, why do you think anyone who has an abortion would need conseling unless they were feeling any kind of grief over the loss, or guilt for what they had done? If it's just a blob as some say or a non-life, then why would they give it a second thought after the procedure? They didn't do anything wrong. Obviously, since counseling is needed, they have come to realize that they did do something they shouldn't have. It is good if after an abortion they have come to this realization. Then maybe they could counsel others who are contemplating it. On another note, Mr. Obama has given the ok to use our tax dollars to make and kill babies for stem cell research the other day. What is this world coming to when we murder one human to better the life of another in some way? I pray for God's mercy on us.

Cleo's Mom, To be pro choice means you approve of abortion, thus pro abortion. Everybody wants to reduce the number of unwanted pregnancys so who says that the anti abortionists don't want that? We do. I don't approve of Obama's repealing of the rule that Bush set up which restricted federal money for international organizations that promote or provide abortions overseas. Next, He DID say while campaigning, that he would end the war immediately, or within 6 months. He opposed mcCain who said it would be at LEAST 2 years before we could start to bring our troops home. Now that he's pres., he's doing what McCain said. Not that I oppose, mind you. Our troops are needed there. I'm only noting yet another campaign promise to you dems that he broke. You are right when you say that Bush appointees broke the law, Most politicians do. BUT, Obama said in his campaign that HIS administration would be different. Remember that? CHANGE! Who's going to stimulate the economy? Leave it alone. Just like in the early 80's. It was worse than this. We came out of it. And we didn't have to spend trillions to do it. When you have financial problems at home, do you get out your credit cards? Or do you cut your spending and eliminate things that you don't need for a while till you get your budget in balance? Yeah. It may be hard on you for a while, but in the end, you don't owe anyone anything. This stimulus package has a measily 3% of funds going to infrastructure, so don't tell me this is the answer for that. As far as health care goes, I feel the gov. needs to stay out of it. I don't want to pay for everybody elses health care. In this country, if you don't have ins. you can apply to your state and get it. Or you can go to any hosp. and they will not turn you away. We pay for that already. Let's just keep it that way. As for the pork. I don't want to pay for the research of swine odor! That's NOT going to stimulate the economy! This is a STIMULUS bill. Where does the research of bees fit into that? If your state needs the funds for your important project, where do you get off having the rest of the nation pay for it?! And, I don't care which party put the pork in there. Obama promised there would be none! BTW, the rich have every right to get richer. It's called free enterprise and our country was founded on it. If you work hard, get an education, use your talents, put aside laziness, go for your dreams, you can get wealthy. I believe all should pay an equal amount of tax, regardless of your income. I also believe that if our gov. would reduce its size, we wouldn't need so much funding. I had no outrage when Bush entered a war after 9/11. He did what he felt was needed to be done at the time. We were attacked! Have you forgotten? I don't see anyone upset about the fact that there hasn't been an attack on our soil since then. I would rather see money that we don't have spent on military defense than stimulating us into oblivion debt. And that 70% approval rating is falling daily.

I agree with you that we all should be able to make our own decisions on things. What religion we choose, if we want a same sex partner, if we should rob a bank, etc. Do what you want because every choice we make in life has its own set of consequences. BUT, when it comes to making a choice in the abortion issue, I believe, you shouldn't get one. Simply because if you don't like not being able to have a 'choice' as an individual, how can you justify taking someone elses 'choice' away. The individual inside you. He may choose to LIVE. Pro choicers seem to forget that the baby is 'another' life besides theirs. The mom is simply the holding place till he is mture enough to come out. Sorry if she doesn't want to do that for 9 months, but that's just the way it is. After the 9 months is over and she's done her job for the child, she can get on with her life. We all go through setbacks or holds in life. When it comes to the safety of another persons life, we go the mile.

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And worse case senario Obama leads us into an even worse situation with a monstrous debt we or our great, great grandchildren will never be able to repay.

Movie stars sell their kids first photos, and noone seems to have a problem with it. A person sold a potato chip with Marys image on it. If it can make you a buck, they do it.

If I were her, I would be seeking the highest bidder for everything, because she needs to pay for help and their expenses throughout their lives. I believe this is what she is doing. Smart mom, I mean move.

Did she come out and say that? That she was seeking to be a celebrity? I never heard her say that. I thought she turned down the help because she didn't want strings attached to any help anyone gives her.

[quote name=Gloucester;116397} Or' date=' getting her nails done. Tell me, why can't she get her nails done? People with more kids than her do their nails. So what. Or, getting her lips injected. She had that done a while ago. when she could afford to do it. So what. Or, getting her Masters. Lots of people go to school on line or while they raise their kids. So what. Or, visiting her frozen eggs. She isn't having anymore kids. As a matter of fact, she said she only wanted one more (7) not eight more. (14) Or, getting more IVF. ditto of frozen eggs response. Or, crying and trying to kill herself. She was crying, but she didn't try to kill herself. She said "I'm gonna kill myself" while she was in a distraut, panicky situation and not thinking straight. Or, fighting with her own mother. Almost everyone has a fight with their mother. So what. Or, working....HA HA HA....forgot - she doesn't work. But she doesn't have to. She will have more money in less than a year than most can make in 20 years working. She'll have a home and all the people she needs to help her care for them. She will publish a book, sell her delivery videos, have tv interviews, and the list will go on and on. Thanks to people like all of you who thrive on her mistakes. Good thing, cause she needs all of you to swoon over her business in order to pay for their upbringing. If there was a tv show about her, you'd all be the first to tune in. She's gonna be rich. Maybe this was God's way of providing for her. He knew the wickedness of mankind and knew they would desire to cast that first stone at her (dispite their own sins) and he used what he knew of mankind to provide a way for her to care for them.lol.

I watched it, too. They didn't play the whole 911 call (6 minutes), JUST the portion where she was saying "I'm going to kill myself" and they palyed it over and over and over. In her defense, when you are distraut, you say things you shouldn't. She wasn't thinking about her reaction to her other kids when she was saying that, because when you are in a situation of panic, like losing your child, you lose all sense of control. You don't think straight. What I heard was a mother who was distraut over her lost child and a dispatcher who NEVER told her "We'll send someone to help you find him right away!" Even after 6 minutes of her pleading for help! This is what I mean, The media ONLY portrays what they think the public will want to see or hear. What about her cries of relief when she saw her son walking towards her and her sobbing that he was safe? Phil didn't let his audience hear that part of the call. Why not? Because her panic and saying 'I'm going to kill myself' was a better clip to put on the air, for that would really make the public see her in a worse way.

What is he, a prophet? HOW can he predict such a thing? I've had a child get out of my sight before and had to call the police. I was panicky, but not hysterical. I've heard of others getting crazy when they lost their kids for a moment. NO, I'm not comparing myself to her. I just like to point out that it could happen to anyone. I listened to her 911 call and what I found crazy was the dispatcher who NEVER once in the whole 6 minute call said, "don't worry, we're sending someone to help you find him RIGHT now." I know what it feels like to lose a child for an hour and how she was panicking was just how it is! I heard her tears of relief when she saw her son walking home to her. That dispatcher could have calmed her immediately when she was saying 'help me' if she said "We will. We'll be right there!" But she didn't, ever. People love to look for every item they can poke at. If they put a redial on their own lives, or their own neighbors or friends or familys lives, there would be things there they could pick on, I'm sure. Just remember, there are 2 sides to every story and you are getting the medias shots they want you to see. What you don't see is the good moments she may have with her kids.

We need some real campaigning reform. Wouldn't it be nice if each candidate had a small limit they could spend to promote their campaign and no more? This way, even the poor or middle class person could get elected.

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It's just not your place to see them addressed. It's her business.

Exactly! He wants socialism to fail! I agree with him there. We are in it up to our necks financially, and Obama thinks the answer is to SPEND more that we don't have. WHO thinks like that???!!!!

It is amazing how democrats think that when you are in trouble financially, the answer is to get out your credit cards and start charging. Would you do that in your household? No. You'd cut back and get out of debt first. The only way to get out of a recession is to 'hurt' for a while. Yeah, not having the funds to go out to dinner every week, or to have to cancel cable for a year or so till you get out of debt 'hurts', but it needs to be done. I understand that some will go without work, but that's just the way it is. If I am having trouble paying my monthly bills, and I have a guy I pay mowing my lawn once a week, I may have to let him go. The gov. needs to fire some people. It's just getting too big. We have more programs and crap than we can pay for. To bring a country out of debt, you have to cut spending and leave taxes where they are. Same income coming in, less going out. We do it in our homes, we do it in our small business, big companies do it. Why can't local, state and federals manage their finances the way their supposed to?

I'm in total agreement with you. I'm hoping Huckabee will run again. Did you ever watch his show? I like it. He's right on.

And while he was still in office it went under 2 bucks. So What???!!! While he was in office and after 9/11 we didn't have any homeland attacks! Thanks to his wise homeland security decisions. Obama is lessening our support of military defense spending and putting the money into all kinds of Pork instead. You wait and see. You think we're safe from foreign attacks on our soil? Not if Obama continues on his path towards socialism!

see. Her goal is not to be a burden on you. (the taxpayer) She has a home now where she can raise her children. It was wise of her not to say where it is located. People think she's nuts, and there are all kinds of people who have threatened her life. (Who's the nut?)

I only hope that we (America) will continue to be an ally to Israel. I hope that we will always defend them and help them, for if we don't I can see God's hand of grace turning away from this great country that God established as a place for christians to retreat to. It's true that no one can sway Gods hand. I must say, that though I'm not happy with the way this administration is spending money like its no big deal, I will never stop praying for it.

You have me wrong. Go there and read my threads. That is out of context. I stated that if you choose prostitution for a living then you know the pros and cons of the business, which can sometimes mean being abused by your pimp or getting a venerial disease or worse. So,If they don't like the cons part of prostitution, then get out of the business. And to ask how someone can say something so twisted about another human being is a laugh, when all you people do here is say twisted things about others.

Guidelines can shut down a hospital because if drs. are made to perform abortions in a catholic or christian hospital, they will close their doors before aborting babies.