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Oh, see. I didn't hear about that. I would respond by saying that we all do something in our lives that we may regret. And who knows, maybe she doesn't regret it, but even so, at least she didn't fully expose herself. When christians do anything wrong, it's the rest of the worlds 'job' to focus on it and make sure everyone knows about it. Don't you know that?

What's the difference 'how' she got her beauty? Some people lengthen their eyelashes with mascara, some have their boobs enlarged. So what.

Satan was the creator of the seed of doubt. It was deposited in the heart or mind of Eve by Satan's question,"Yea, hath GOD said?" This led Eve to question the love of God. This microbe of unbelief the human race has inherited from her. Men do not openly deny the goodness of God so much as they question the statements of the word of God. They say,"Has God really said we must not do thus and so? Have we not misunderstood what He has said, or misinterpreted His meaning? Surely God is too loving and merciful to eternally punish the wicked?" When Satan told Eve "Go ahead, eat the fruit, you shall not surely die." from there it has been incorporated into the religious systems of today that teach that man shall not be eternally punished. By punishment, I believe it is giving man just what they have desired all their lives, a separation from God. He is a gentleman. If anyone doesn't want him to be a part of their lives, he will not force them. He gives all mankind free choice to choose to believe in him and live according to his words or not. Hell is eternal separation from God, and God is LOVE.

It is clear to me from the character of the bible that it is not the work of man. It details with seathing and unsparing severity the sins of its greatest men, as Abraham, David, Jacob, Moses, charging them with falsehood, treachery, pride, adultry, cowardice, murder and gross licentiousness, and presents the history of the children of Israel as a humiliating record of ingratitude, idolatry, unbelief and rebellion, and it is safe to say, that the Jews, unguided and undirected by the Holy Spirit, would never have chronicled the sinful history of their nation. 2 Timothy says, "All scripture is given by INSPIRATION OF GOD." God directed men to put into writing such messages, laws, doctrines, historical facts, and revelations. as he wished men to know. Inspiration means "God breathed". God through the Holy Spirit told men of old just what to write. God not only spoke directly to men (like Moses), He also spoke to them in the person of Jesus when God was manifest in the flesh. Jesus spoke not of himself, but of what the Father himself gave him commandment to speak.He told men what to write.The bible says this: "The Prophecy came not in old time by the will of man, but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost." The Lord said to Moses, "Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou must say." Exodus 4:10-12. If God could speak to men, he could tell them what to write.

The language of the bible is of 3 kinds. Figurative, Symbolic, and Literal. Such expressions as "harden not your heart" and "let the dead bury their dead", are figurative, and their meaning is made clear by their context. Symbolic language, like the description of Daniel's "four wild beasts" or "Christ in the midst of the 7 candlesticks" is explained, either in the same chapter, or somewhere else in the bible. The rest of the language of the bible is to be interpreted according to the customary rules of grammar and rhetoric. That is, we are to read the bible as we are to read any other book, letting it say what it wants to say, and not allegorize or spiritualize its meaning. It is this false method of interpreting scripture that has led to the origin of so many religious sects and denominations. You need to avoid these 3 things when handling God's word: The misinterpretation of it, the misapplication of it, and the dislocation of it. Due to mans training, environment, prejudices, or desire to make the scriptures teach some favorite doctrine, they are unwilling to let the scripture say what they want to say.

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I disagree on this. Even the discovery of the dead sea scrolls prove that the words in scripture have not been altered over time. I believe that God has his hand on that to make sure that his truths do not get changed, for if he didn't, then how could he blame anyone for not knowing his stand on issues? If you can't believe in faith that "ALL" its pages are truly inspired by God, then how do you determine which pages to believe or not? This is how we get so many differing opinions on what is right and wrong from so many different christian denominations. Those who 'want' to have homosexuality acceptable to themselves and others will say that that was one of the pages that wasn't inspired by God. People pick and choose the rules they want to follow from the scripture and say that the declarations in there that they don't like are not true. Funny how something like adultry for example is readily agreed upon to be sinful. If I stated here that I am against sexual relationships with anyone but your own spouse because God says it is a sin and it is wrong, noone would debate me on it. But because I say the same thing about homosexual marriage, I get the heat. Point is, you can't pick and choose the thing from the word of God that you want to accept as God's word on the subject. Either it's ALL true, or none of it is. I believe it's all true.

Joan, I'm in total agreement with you. I'd also like to add that even if they 'feel' it is normal, doesn't make it so. 'Feelings' have nothing to do with right and wrong. A person may 'feel' worthless sometimes, but God made everything 'good'. So, how he 'feels' is not correct. It's just how he feels and thinks.

From your post here I can see that you certainly don't know where I am coming from. I love everyone unconditionally, dispite their sin...... No, I would not be accepting of his choice to live in sin anymore than I am accepting of my own sins. Sin is wrong and should be stopped. We are ALL sinners, even myself..... I would hold ANYONES hand walking down the street and it doesn't matter if my 'church' friends are there or not...... And Yes, I told my nephew that the difference between his sin and a believer in Christs sin is that a believer in Christ acknowledges that what he is doing is wrong and admits it to God and confesses his sin to God and if he doesnt do the same, he will not be saved. (No matter if his sin is homosexuality or lying.)...... I do not bring up his sin of homosexuality when I see him, just like he doesn't bring up my obvious sin of gluttony when he sees me...... And, yes, I hug him and tell him I love him,...... and no, the conversation doesn't go like you think it does. Did that answer all your questions?

Even less than 100 days into Obama's presidency and 'pork' was flying, too!

We are all programmed to 'love' others. But love is a decision that we make. I'm talking here about the love of a spouse. Someone special to you. When love begins, it begins as an attraction to the other person. Whether physical (their appearance) or emotional (their personality). People get married because they are what they call 'In Love'. The "I can't live without you and never want to be with out" you feeling. Some lose that feeling as time goes on. But because of the committment that they made to each other before God, they 'choose' or 'make a decision' to love the other person. Thus, why it is important to have a marriage ceremony before God whom you say your vows to. When a persons enters into marriage with another, they should go into it with the firm attitude and conviction that "Divorce is NOT an option". If there is a problem between the 2 of you, work it out. Most marriages end in divorce because one or the other or both are not willing to put their hurts aside and focus on making their partner happy instead. Yes, if we forgive our partners for their shortcomings and concentrate on their needs instead of our own, many marriages could be saved. There is nothing more powerful to change the way your spouse treats you than treating them the way they like to be treated. To be the 'bigger' person and despite how you have been hurt or treated, pour out your love to your spouse anyway and see them respond in kind. Oh brother, I don't know how I got on that, but maybe someone needed to hear it. Oh well, the bisexual thing only confirms to me that you're not born gay. My sister was married for 25 years to a man that she truly loved. Then they divorced. She says she didn't get along with him over time. Anyway, she now is in a relationship with a woman. She said she didn't always have a desire for other women, but when she met her, she fell in love with her. That tells me she wasn't 'born' gay. She made a choice. The decision was hers. She chooses to sleep with her. She could choose to obey God and sleep only with the man she married, or stay celebate.

wow! you have some anger issues. (Unless I'm reading your post wrong.) Obviously they are your observations of her. What I am saying is usually the media isn't anything close to what it's like in real life.

kat, How do you know that she is not loving her children as much as you love yours or that she is not teaching them and training them in what she believes or that she is not setting rules and disciplining them for their own good? Maybe she is protecting them and providing for them with the best of her ability. How do you know? I have learned from my own personal experience that the press and the media print what they feel will sell and what they feel the people want to hear and not always the truth on a story.

no, I don't think it's wrong. I believe God allows us to make our own decisions about these things. He may want us to have children, and if we use birth control or abstain during our ovulation time, we may miss out on a blessing that he would like us to have, but that's for us to decide. I believe that all souls are known by God before he places them in the body they will abide in on earth at the moment of conception. (for God's word says he knew you before you were born.) If you didn't conceive your son or daughter, their souls would have been placed in someone elses child that was conceived. It is the soul of a person that lives eternally, not the body(flesh).

plain, I agree that there is no difference in the homosexual act and the adultrous act, sin wise. There is no difference in the homosexual act and ANY other sin. If some churches don't allow even celibate homosexuals in, yet allow some married men who engage in adultry into the church simply because they are tithing there like you say, then they are behaving badly.

I believe it was to plenish the earth with people. Also, God uses the family as an object lesson. The parents represent God the Father and the kids represent all the souls who believe in God. Just as the Parents have such a great love for their children, (notice how there is no love greater than the love you have for your own kids?) and just as parents train them and teach them right from wrong, and just as the parents set rules that are for the good of the kids, and just as parents discipline their kids because they love them and not because they want to hurt them, and just as parents protect and provide for their children, etc. So also God does all those things for those who like to be called his children and choose to love him back.

I believe that you can lose your salvation if you tell God that you no longer believe in Jesus or all you once believed in and you don't want anything to do with him. Also, if you continue in your sin without a repentant heart I believe that the Holy Spirit leaves you and no longer dwells inside the believer. I have always felt that the 'once saved always saved' concept contradicted scripture. If it were that way, then why not accept Jesus as your savior and then live any old way we want to. Jesus said that you will know the true believers by their fruit. Are they living in sin? Or are they trying to live as Jesus taught in righteousness? Once you turn your life towards God, you can't help but desire to live for him and not commit what he calls wrong doing because you don't want to grieve the holy Spirit by your actions.

I also do not have a problem with gay civil unions that give the same rights to them as married people have. Everyone must and should be able to make their own choices in life. My problem comes in when they want to call it a marriage which God established for 1 man and 1 woman together. To answer your question. I believe God says that if you believe in Him and are trusting Jesus for your salvation, then his sacrifice on the cross covers ALL your sins. (past, present, and future) I gave this analogy to someone once on lbt, and I'll share it with you. There once was a man who owned a vineyard. He had a son who he hired to work in it. He also hired his friend and other hands to work for him. His son was lazy and worthless at his job. His sons friend was the same. They both slacked off and didn't do their work. What does the father do? He takes hold of the hired hand and casts him out. He fires him. Cuts him off. But what of his son? Does he cast him out? Does he fire him? No. Because he is his son. Punish him? Discipline him? cut his pay off? Yes, but cast him out of the vineyard, Never. For he's his son. The difference is not in the sin but the way God views the sin. The believer's sin is covered in the blood that Jesus shed for it. The unbelievers is not covered. So, even though we all sin, we're not all going to heaven, only the sinners who believe and trust in God's way to get them there, which is through Jesus.

He said it in 1 Corinthians chapter 3 verse 19. He was speaking about turning away from human wisdom if you want to be wise. Also, many times in the book of proverbs it speaks of Man, whom God created, as thinking they are wiser than God.

I don't believe that it is my 'mission' to point out others sins. You are wrong about me here. I believe I was answering their question about why I don't want to have gay marriages legalized. My answer is BECAUSE IT IS A SIN!!!!!!! Can I be any more clear?! That's why I don't want it legaliized. No other reason. It's NOT because I'm a bigot. It's NOT because I hate gay paople. It's NOT because I'm fearful of gays. I, also understand that God loves everyone and that all sin is forgivable. But not if you don't go through Jesus for that forgiveness, and not if you don't believe that God says it is sinful. God forgives HIS children for their sins, not unbelievers. ************************************* So, do you want it legalized? Why or why not?

bjean, It was God who said "The wisdom of man is foolishness unto God."

I was baptised catholic, too, and I also left organized 'religion' many years ago. I became a believer in Jesus and left the catholic church to live my life according to the word of God and not any 'religions' man made doctrines. I will tell you that there may be some christians out there who do not practice what they preach, but I am not one of them. I certainly by no means am without sin in my life and will admit and confess my wrong doings to anyone. I am not perfect, god knows that, but I try very hard to follow God the best way that I can. If I fail, and I do every day, I confess that to him and receive his forgiveness. If you're upset with my reason for not wanting gay marriages to be legalized, then so be it. I am upset that you want it legalized. So that makes us even. Did you all want to come onto a debate and rants and raves forum and debate amongst yourselves about how wonderful legalizing gay marriage would be? Or did you want an opposing view? Did you want everyone who posted here to be FOR it? So sorry you are offended, but my biblical viewpoint on the issue is just as real to me as your view is to you.

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