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I said that plastic surgery shouldn't be limited. I also believe that 3-4 months into a pregnancy is enough time to make up your mind...If you are too scare to tell your parents that you got pregnant because you were having sex at the age of 14, 15, 16 then you have no business having sex. If it was a rape then I would understand that you may be scared and upset, but if you can't talk to your parents then who can you talk to (That's how I was raised at least)? Besides you can go to planned parenthoods and have an abortion for free. These doctors cannot tell your parents, it's a confidentiality thing. So, yes 3-4 months into a pregnancy seems like a reasonable amount of time to me to make up ones mind.

lol I'm not saying that it should be limited I just think that surgeons should use better judgement then just a paycheck. I also think that they should have to go through a psych eval to insure that they aren't suffering from body dismorphic disorder or anything else that may cause them to get numerous operations, but in the end I guess it is their money and thier body...so my final answer is no it should not be limited. They are not hurting another human being, they are just messing with themselves...yeah...lol

I don't really think a limit, but I think the surgeons need to stop at a point...like lets say a woman who has already had 5 nose jobs goes in for one more...should the surgeon do it just because she can pay or it? I think that there should be a limit on how many of each procedure you can have done unless it is a procedure to repair the procedure before it...that's crazy to have 5 nose jobs or numerous breast jobs...it's just crazy! lol

I'm not saying limited, but when you are looking for help to raise children and getting government assistance, I think that you looks should not be the priority over your children...She gets food stamps and disability for 3 of her kids and she is on workman's comp...She is being an irresponsible mother

Yeah...that sounds about right :rose:. I would assume that she would be able to make up her mind by then (unless she's in denial). I just find late abortions especially in the third trimester disgusting and sick...sad. Also I was reading about the lady that has 14 kids...did you see her nose job and fake lips...who's paying for that? She also had a freshly done french manicure, sounds like a few things a women on workmans comp and food stamos shouldn't be spending her money on, especially when she is living in her parents 3 bedroom home and getting loans to go to school...oh and begging people to send her money...sounds selfish to me...

It was just a question thrown out there for whoever wanted to answer it...Just to whoever was listening :rose:

The problem with that is most pregnancy tests don't say you're pregnant until you are about 4-6 weeks along and a lot of women don't find out until they're 8-10 weeks along...If a women found out at 8 weeks that she was pregnant, would you rather her have th abortion done right away or give it a few days or even a week to make sure that she's making the right choice?

...Okay...

I just don't believe in late term abortions. I'm not saying the fetus (not baby, yet) is not a human. I'm sorry, but I don't think that abortion should be only if the mother will die. There are other reasons/needs to have an abortion. I think abortion should be legal until about 18 weeks. I don't think abortions should be allowed during the third trimester. I would not have an abortion because a baby would be inconvenient or because of a mistake I made. I know there are women that do, but not all women that have an abortion do it because they just don't want a baby...sometimes it's because they were forced into pregnancy/conception...maybe they used protection, but it failed...not all abortions are used as an oops...

I'm not talking about viability based on medicine, I'm talking about viability based on the fetus, if it was born at home with no complications would it survive. Are you saying that I believe in abortion I have to believe in it all the way to 9 months? Personally I wouldn't have an abortion past 16-18 weeks. But if I were to have an abortion again I would do it as soon as I found out I was pregnant, although I would only do it again if I was in the same position. I mean yeah at 23 weeks a baby can possibly survive if we breath for it and hook it to everything we've got, but that doesn't mean it's viable at birth.

I think her and her doctor were irresponsible in all of this! The doctor implanted 6 embryos when they should have only implanted 2-3! She shouldn't hang for what she did, but she should lose her works comp and her assitsance...she did this to herself and she should not, now, be begging for help from people...she made her bed and now she should lay in it...alone!

I just want to say something about this. When I had my son and the doctors told me that he was dying and had an hour left to live...I felt nothing. When they took me in to see his body as they worked on him, fighting to save his life. I still felt nothing. They first time I got to hold my son (3 days after he was born)...I felt something. Your body and you mind have a way of protecting your heart/you emotions. Just because you never saw her cry doesn't mean she didn't. Some people feel they have to be strong in front of others, some feel that when someone else is crying they have to be strong and comfort them...a lot of people would rather cry in private, where they don't have to worry about people trying to comfort them and saying that it will be alright because you don't know if it will be alright...sometimes you just need to go in a room alone and cry...really cry! Up until the point that the fetus is viable (I believe that is around 26-28 weeks).

Maybe for a second you can stop assuming that all prochoicers believe in late term abortions! I believe in abortions up to a point, but not that far along! She did seek an abortion, but as was said before she sought that help a little too late! It is not okay to kill the baby once it is out of the birth canal because it is now viable and breathing oxygen...it is crying it is a baby. When you are in early stages of pregnancy the baby is not viable...if born it would most likely not survive...

Don't be sorry...I'm still young and sometimes don't let what I'm reading sink in all the way before responding. I see what you are saying though. It said that they were going to do an autopsy to see if the baby was living when it was thrown in, but she admitted that the baby had a heart beat and was breathing when she had it...It just blows my mind the things that people will do...I wish that actions like this would be a wake up call to others, but it's just like every summer when people leave their babies in the hot car...they never think it will happen to them...drives me crazy!!!

No I wasn't trying to rationalize her actions at all...I guess I was just trying to think that she didn't see the baby as trash, but in all likely hood she probably did at that point...like I said before I would just like to believe that no one is that heartless (even though I know they are)...I didn't say anything about unwanted children being abused or anything like that. I was wanted and I got my assed kicked until I was 16 and willing to fight back. It's just sad that this young lady felt that she had no other route to go...like she thought that was her only way out...I wish more people knew about safe havens...

I understand what you are saying...I just think that in her mind she wasn't thinking oh this is the same as getting an abortion anyways...I think she was scared...of what I have no idea. Do I think that makes it okay no...do I think she needs to pay for what she did, yes, but I don't think it has anything to do with how she feels about a life. I don't know. I guess I would like to think that people aren't as cruel as that, but it just seems to me, since she was trying to hide it from her family, that she was scared. Maybe because her family is very religious and they don't believe in sex before marraige, maybe she was disgusted at herself for putting herself in the position to become pregnant...maybe she has some other kind of mentality, who knows maybe she's bipolar or has bad depression problems...I don't know I just don't think she was in her right mind...I am sad for the baby and I am sad for the woman...all around it's just sad. It happens more often then some people would think and a lot of the times we probably don't even know about because it was never seen, they were never caught...

I don't think so...I had an abortion, but if I had an unwanted baby I would not throw it in to the lake or smother it or anything like that. I am not a murderer. I did what I had to/needed to do at the time. If it was a result of something that I did I probably wouldn't have had the abortion...

A lot of women have home births...my husband and his three siblings were born at home...

That is sad. A lot of people don't know about the safe haven drop locations. In my hometown the hospitals and police station have signs saying that it is a safe place...It's sad that all she had to do was hand the baby to one of those places, no questions asked and she would be sitting at home and the baby would be taken care of :thumbup:.

Or the Duggers...yuck I hate those shows...lol. I think there should be a limit on how many kids you can have supported by the state...I'm just glad I don't live in CA anymore. I'm sure the government pays for her schooling too...

Yeah, I have no idea how she managed to pay for it, but not for all of her own kids. It drives me crazy...I just hope that those kids get the health care, love, and time that they need...I feel bad for the kids...I really do!

What's sucks is that my son is disabled for the rest of hie life from things noticed at birth and now my husband makes $200 over what he could make to allow us to get my son SSI. So now we have to make do and struggle from pay check to paycheck. It sucks that we can't get any help because my hubby makes just enough, even though it's not enough for everything we need as a family and that my son needs as an individual. It sucks...

I just wanted to say something about the lady with all the kids. She has now set up a website where people can send her donations or clothes, toys, diapers and of course money. Now the tax payers may be paying for them even more in California. I saw this article about her today... A big share of the financial burden of raising Nadya Suleman's 14 children could fall on the shoulders of California's taxpayers, compounding the public furor in a state already billions of dollars in the red. Even before the 33-year-old single, unemployed mother gave birth to octuplets last month, she had been caring for her six other children with the help of $490 a month in food stamps, plus Social Security disability payments for three of the youngsters. The public aid will almost certainly be increased with the new additions to her family. Also, the hospital where the octuplets are expected to spend seven to 12 weeks has requested reimbursement from Medi-Cal, the state's Medicaid program, for care of the premature babies, according to the Los Angeles Times. The cost has not been disclosed.

I just wanted to say that the woman that had all those kids had them all in vitro. Her mother said that she still had 6-8 fertilized eggs that were frozen so when she went in this last time she had them use them all...She knew she had the chance of having that many...Her mom even said she still wants more children...

I'm not just talking about that one things she said because I understand that some need that, I'm not just talking about that one post...I'm just talking about how she has presented her point this whole thread...anyways, we all have our opinions and our beliefs and I know that this can get to be very heated because of the topic...I just think that you can justify your opinion without always having to push God onto people...that's all.