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The fetus is apart of the womans body until it is born...If the mother kills the baby illegally without the help of a legal abortion then she as held responsible just like if someone was to kick her or punch her and kill the baby...

It's not that it amazes me...I find it strange that pro life stickers are not only saying say no, and life is life, but also say things such as This is murder, and you could have saved me...Pictures of children saying what if she was an abortion...just things that I think aren't something that I would want my young child to see when we are driving around...protesters and stuff like that...you don't see any Pro-choicers standing in front of churches protesting that they are wrong and all churches should be shut down because they are against abortions...I was just pointing out differences.

Yes you can choose to donate the eggs just like you could donate sperm...or a child that is already born. She said that she couldn't do that because she was thier mother and she did not want one of her children growing up not knowing her, she said that just knowing her baby could be out there somewhere made her sad...I saw a car in front of me today and the whole back end was covered in Pro-life bumper stickers...the one that caught my attention the most said: Abstinence=freedom...I was like What?!?! lol. They had so really crazy bumper stickers on that car...that is the difference between pro life and choice, most pro life bumper stickers just state pro choice, a women's choice and what not...they don't say things like abortions are the way to go...yay for abortions or have a picture of a battered/abused child and say abortion could have saved me...lol. I mean come on some of the things they say are just ridiculous and they shouldn't be posted everywhere for little kids to see...anyways to each their own

I mean I kind of understand that her reality isn't kicking in yet because they are still in the NICU, but my son was in the NICU for 4 months and then in the PICU for another 2-2 1/2 months, but reality kicked in for me fast. I cried a lot and I cried often...it's good to cry and to break down in those situations...your body needs it.

I agree. Just having a home and money doesn't mean you should have children. Everytime they ask her anything, it's like I am ready and things are fine and rainbows and butterflies, but when the reality kicks in it is going to kick her butt! She's not being realistic in how things are going to be...

A phycologist has already submitted a a claim to CPS. Right now she is living in a 3 bedroom home with her 6 kids and her parents. non of the kids have their own bed and she doesn't even have cribs or carseats for the 8 she has now. I just worry about her children. They said in the last psych eval they did that she said she was depressed and having suicidal thoughts. I just want the kids to be safe and to get all the love and attention they deserve...it's sad for them. Even one of her younger kids said that when the new babies come home mommy wont have time for us anymore and we're going to move and we don't want to move. We're going to be lonely...that is sad to hear from a child. Nadya is selfish in her quest for babies...

I think she needs to have them taken from her. In fact some of the newborns are ready to come home, but they are refusing to release them to her from the hospital until she can meet like 7 pages of things. She has her 6 kids living in a 3 bedroom home. They are living off of government assistance and student loans. She shouldn't have even tried for 1 baby let alone implanting 6 embryos! Now she's beggin for help, donations, and California tax payers are having to pay their hospital bills? That isn't right. Those kids deserve better. She has more than one special needs child and I, having one myself, know that caring for a special needs child takes a lot of time, time that is taken away from all her other kids, or time that is not given to the special needs ones. There is no way, mentally, emotionally, and finacially she can care for all of her children. It's just crazy to me. I mean who paid for her plastic surgery, her INF treatments, and her manicures? It's just crazy.

So you are saying that she made the right decision implanting 6 embryos when she already had 6 kids some special needs kids and using food stamos and school loans to care for them living in her parents 3 bedroom home? Also I took the quote "rid from society and causing life to end" from what you had written which is why in my post it was in qoutes. I think she made the wrong choice by doing what she did. She had no business bringing in even 1 more child let alone 8 into this world. She should have either donated the embryos to a women with no kids or that wanted it and deserved to have a baby or have them destroyed. Oh and yes she did have twins. She made a mistake having this many children that she cannot care for!

Then not all those that have abortions are murderers. I definately wasn't killing with evil intent. I was ridding the fetus from society and causing it's "life" to end without evil intent (as you said)... How do you feel about the octo mom implanting all of those embryos because she didn't wish to "kill" them by not using them...? Just wondering

Just curious...if it says though shall not murder then killing is okay? I'm just a little confused I'm not trying to say you wrong or anything...I'm just trying to understand.

I just watch Religulous last night! It was a really great documetary! Anyone that has questioned religion should check it out! I loved it!!!! Sorry it's off topic...kind of :thumbup:

This is another good article: Pregnancy after Tubal Ligation - Pregnancy Articles

Go look at this link....things happen...nothing is 100% pregnancy after tubal ligation - pregnancy-info.net

I didn't say that it didn't implant. I was replying to what PG said when she said that it cannot be fertilized... That's all...

Thank you so much. It sounds like you have a wonderful family too...They told me that if I do get pregnant again I will have to be on bed rest for most of it and have shots throughout it to prevent my blood from over clotting again. It has happened before, just like when a man gets his tubes tied, things happen and a pregnancy can still occur...

They almost did a full hysterectomy when I had the c-section to rescue my son. They had the kit out and everything, but they decided to try to save my uterus...we'll see if their hard work paid off if I get pregnant and carry the baby fingers crossed hopefully we'll start trying for our second baby soon :tt1:

I had the Paragard and it lessened my cramps. I loved having an IUD. I didn't have to think about it or anything.

I was looking in the new In Touch magazine and they have an article in there about the Octuplet mom. They said something about her website and then they polled people: Nadya was accepting donations on her website. Would you give her money? 1 % said Absolutely, 5% said Maybe and the other 94% said never...I fall in the never area...lol Just thought I would share

Thank you so much. My husband was deployed to Iraq 2 weeks after the birth of our son. We got the daddy doll before he left so that he could get his scent on it for our son. My husband came home for his R and R just in time for our sons surgeries and then he had to turn around and go back. A few weeks later his best friend lost his life to the war and a month after that my husband was shot leaving shrapnel in his hand. They took him to the "hospital" there are put on a bandaid and sent him back out to fight. My husband is my hero. We are high school sweethearts and he is the only man I have ever had concentual sex with. I love him and our son so much. I am very lucky to have such a strong man for a husband . He's been a great cheerleader through this LapBand process! He's great. Thank you for looking at our pictures! I am very proud of how far our son has come While I do believe in abortions...if they would have told me that my son would be born with these problems and that I could terminate...I wouldn't, in a million years. When I was pregnant I said no to the Amnio (They said it's a good thing I did because I probably would have gone into preterm labor and lost him) because it wouldn't have changed the way I felt for my baby. I wouldn't have aborted because the baby would have downs. I almost lost my life giving birth to my son who was technically born dead and I would do it all over again to see his wonderful smile! But not every woman would have felt this way...a lot of women would have seen him as deformed and may have aborted him...and they should have the right to do so...if that is what they feel would be right for them and their baby.

None of my son's problems were genetic or caused by chemicals...My son was born missing muscles, he has a paralyzed vocal, half of his tongue is paralyzed he has a brain malformation, he lost a lot of blood when he was born he had to have infusions. None of my sons problems are fixable. He will have all these problems for the rest of his life. It sucks and it was hard to deal with alone. My son is home now, but unable to eat on his own. He will be two next month and he eats through a tube in his stomach. I don't blame anyone for what happened to my son...for a long time I blamed myself. I felt like I wasn't a good mother, that I was so unhealthy that I couldn't have a normal baby. I wanted a lot of kids...and now he may be all I will have (he is a wonderful little boy). Sometimes I feel incomplete. The doctors told me I may never have another baby. They told me that they were suprised that I carried him as long as I did...they told me if I try again, I may have numerous miscarries and I'm just not sure if I could handle that. I love my son and though I wish that things had gone differently, I wouldn't change him for any healthy baby in the world I love my son more than I have ever loved anything or anyone before and I am blessed to have him! You can check pics of him out on my myspace under my Jack folder www.myspace.com/HolliRodriguez Most doctors are shocked when they hear his problems. Most of them have not seen babies with problems like him before...he is my little boy and I love him with every inch of my heart :huh2: lol Thought I would just share a little...off topic sorry

So if you were young as I was and raped by a family member as I was and became pregnant with a baby that that family member fathered...it still would not be right to have an abortion? You will never understand that, you will never understand the choice that I had to make, but that's okay. I made that choice because it was the best for me and the unborn child. My parents, being amazing parents, stood by my side through all of it. Holding my hand and telling em that I was doing the right thing. I know that I did the right thing and as I said before I would not change how I went about it! It was not my fault that it happened and my body was too young to carry a baby...

If my son was so independant in the womb why did he not grow right? If my son was independently developing then why did he need my blood and my fluids to susstain his environment? If my son was so independent when he was born 2 months early then why did he need tubes and machines to allow him to survive for 4 months? Hmm...why did your "God" chose children like him and women like me to deal with something that horrible? Why at 20 was I expected by your "God" to watch my son suffer in the NICU for 4 months and then the PICU for another 2 1/2? Why out of all the women that smoked, drank and did drugs while they were pregnant...why did I have the baby with all of the problems and theirs were "perfect"? Hmmm...where was your "God" when I was raped and impregnanted by a family member? Let me tell you where he was...He was next to me holding my hand telling me that it would be okay. He was there watching over me making sure that I was okay. He was there to support me when I did something no girl my age should have had to choose...I made my dicission because it was the right one for me and for my unborn son...even your "God" was there, holding me and telling me that no matter what I did I was his child and he was there for me...to love me unconditionally the way he knew any father or mother should love their children. Let me tellyou something "God" was with me when I had a son that was born purple and bleeding to death. He was there for me as I watched my son being fed through a tube! He was there for me when I watched him suffer every hour of everyday for those first months...and he is still here with me in our sufferring. This "God"...this God that you are saying would be angered by things like that, would be angered by an abortion...was there holding my hand as I aborted my unborn baby that would have been related to me in other ways than a mother. It says it in the Bible that God is forgiving, God is all loving, God is our Father. If I pray to God and he gives me an answer that you don't think he should, then maybe you should take it up with God... It is the woman's life too. What if it would kill her? What if the baby would be a product of a rape, an underaged rape, and incestual rape? Huh? Does the mother not have the choice to do what is right for her? I made the choice that I made. To tell you the truth. If I had to do it again I would have done the same thing. It was right for me and it was right for my unborn. I'm sorry if you don't feel the same way, but you were not in my position and you were not in the position to have to think about abortion or adoption or just going through with it...When you have to stand in the shoes I stood in so long ago, then come to me and tell me how easy it was for you to make that choice!

I know what you are saying. It's really really important to follow the plan that your doctor gave you. Mostly since you are having to have a lot of jello and popsicles when you are per/post op. Try your best to stick it out until after your surgery and then you can do sugar in moderation. Some people like Splenda...it makes me feel really sick. Sweet n low gives me a horrible headache...Equal and stevia are the ony ones that don't bother me...good luck :thumbup:

I meant hurt, not kill. Look I am not here to say your wrong your wrong. I was just here to tell my story and my belief. I believe that abortions should be legal up to a point. I don't care if you share my views or not. I am not on here to be rude to people or to have people be rude to me. I answer your questions the best that I can and I do my best not to upset anyone on here, but it seems like that is all you are trying to do. No matter what you say my belief will still stand...can't we just be nice to each other? I am sorry if our views aren't the same...but your views hold just as much power as mine do...I don't think you are wrong or that your belief is wrong or stupid. I'm not on here to say your belief is wrong and here's why. I am just here to say what I believe and hear what others believe and what their view is on the subject. Please don't turn this into an I'm right your wrong arguement because under our own beliefs we are all right :thumbup: Belief can be whatever I want it to be. Let's just say that my view, my standing, ...what I like to call my belief.

That's just my belief...pastic surgery doesn't kill something or someone (unless something goes wrong). In late term abortions they are getting rid of a fetus that could have a chance to survive. This is just my belief and I am not trying to tell everyone that my belief is how it should be...Myself, personally I would never have an abortion past 18 weeks. I'm not saying that no one should have one later, I just couldn't do it.