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Ok, well, I inferred that from all his asking about you and your "moniker" under your avatar.

Belittle:To think, represent, or speak of as small or unimportant: decry, denigrate, deprecate, depreciate, derogate, detract, discount, disparage, downgrade, minimize, run down, slight, talk down What you have said to me: Have you ever even read the Bible?? Post 1705 The NIV is a good translation in most instances. Implication: My bible is not good enough, belittling me again. Further implication is that since you are no longer a member of the Church, and I am, your beliefs are better than mine, make you a better Christian and more likely to get in to heaven, whilst I burn in hell for my beliefs. I asked for your beliefs on why you think the Church is wrong... In the same way you asked Wheet why she didnt accept God. But now I am not playing fair?

I didnt break the scale, but those one of those flimsy metal message chairs. I went to sit on the chair and there is a rest for your head and one for your arms to cross in the front. Well, as I sat, I put too much weight on my hand and snapped the arm rest right off. I was soooooooo embarassed! AND It was right in the MIDDLE OF THE MALL. ugh.

You are one side of the horse, I am on the other. I wanted to know why you are so insistant that as a Catholic,(being not perfect one set aside) I am going to hell. Why you are so insistant that only your version and interpretation of the bible is right. And, futhermore, it seems that others are also interested as well. I do not PM. I like input from others as well.

Me? I want argue?.. Pot, Hello Pot! This is Kettle. I thought we were have a discussion? I suppose you will stop posting then?

Oh and scientifically a circle is 2-d and a sphere is the 3-d round object. So yes, when I look at a sphere I can see a circle, but if I look at a circle, I can not see a sphere.

when you take a sip of water, does it take a while for it to go down too?

Ok, like what pray tell does the church preach that is so unconscionable? Oh wait.. its the whole Pope thing? Please. Every group of churchs has a leadership that tells those churchs what to do. And where do you get that the priesthood is not biblical? That is saying that a minister is not biblical

How big of a bite are you taking? Even though its mushy it needs to be small and slow. Dude, so much for you having bandster hell. (where you eat too much cause you are hungry because you cant have a fill yet) Also, the theory is that as you lose weight, you should become more loose. (less fat in the stomach tissue) I am much more"open" after 4 pm than before. Also, are you hydrated enough? I have heard of some people becoming tighter as they become dehydrated.

Ok, so no birth control is not a literal pulling of something out of the bible for Catholics? So celebrate Priests are not a literal pulling of something out of the bible? Paraphrasing Catholics? Sounds like someone didnt like the constraints of the laws of the Catholic Church and decided to go elsewhere, to somewhere easier. I am by no means a perfect Catholic, but I am not about to go somewhere else to ease my conscience in a church that says, 'Its ok, they were wrong". Yes, I there are things that I dont agree, with birth control being the biggie, but I will take it up with God when I get there. And if my 15 years on the pill is enough to send me to hell, well, its my fault, The Church told me what to do.

Ok, so go back to page 115 and answer Wheet's questions.

So, NIV is good until we disagree with you. Oh and the KJV is NOT used in Catholic seminaries... but its ok, because you think Catholics take everything out of context anyway.

According to what I have read, the word that was translated "slave" is the same as what was translated in to servant later. Oh and here is a couple of translations of Colossians 4:1 NASB: Slaves, in all things obey those who are your masters on earth, not with external service, as those who merely please men, but with sincerity of heart, fearing the Lord. (NASB ©1995) GWT: Slaves, always obey your earthly masters. Don't obey them only while you're being watched, as if you merely wanted to please people. Be sincere in your motives out of respect for your real master. (GOD'S WORD®) KJV: Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God; In an apparent attempt to disguise the practice of slavery, some translations in the Bible translate the word slave (doulos in Greek) as servant

I would clear your cache and history, close the browser, open a new one and try again. That helps sometimes.

I sooo hate to do this. But, what Ron is referring to is that the angels came to warn lot, the MEN of Sodom demanded that Lot hand over the strangers to them, so that they may basically gang rape them. They(the men of Sodom) did not know that they were angels, but knew that they were men. The angels, basically "smited" the men. From that part of what happens to Lot, we could gleen that they were "Smited" because they wanted to do an "unnatural act" with who they thought were men. Paul, later uses this story to say homosexuality is bad. However, some other scholars say this is a testament to say gang rape is bad. There are other stories in the bible that infer that David, Daniel and Naomi had a homosexual relationship. However, I am sure that Ron says that its all taken out of context.

I married the "I think you are perfect" guy. We met and I did gain a lot of weight(up to 350), but I was not a skinny minnie by any stretch of the immagination at first( around 240). He loves me for who I am. And yes, he did (very past tense) have some issues with me losing weight. But that had more to do with his own insecurities than with wanting me to be fat. His sister and his best friend's wife both lost a lot (100 lbs plus for each) and turned around and left their husbands. It took a lot for me to do some damage control with him and tell him, I love him. And to point out that both of them had some serious problems in their marriages that we just do not have. Their weight loss seemed to be the straw that broke the camel's back for some reason or another.

We have created laws against homosexuality and infringed upon their rights to be a happy people. By banning something that is part of their lifestyle (can you lookup laws against sodomy that have been used to persicute consenting adults?) we are creating laws against homosexuality. The third We dont recognise other religions based on the first commandment What in the world does that even mean? Ok, GOD said, You shall have no other Gods before me. Not so much now, but for a long time, other religions were not given proper tax credit because they were not "Christian enough" And, Wiccans STILL have this fight today. And lastly, we CHANGED some laws because, oops, somepeople do NOT worship God, and since we have some laws based on what is wrong/right in the bible, I guess we have to change that. Again, What in the world does that even mean? Ok, we have had laws (ie. divorce not allowed, no stores open on Sundays) that were in place because God said to do was was bad. We have gone back and changed those laws, (ie. made divorce legal, we can now shop on Sundays). Do you get it now? I have read MY bible and here is the basis of the argument that we have with you. The scholars who translated my bible have just as many FACTS to back their translation as yours does. BUT the fact stands is that they ARE INDEED DIFFERENT. YOUR BIBLE IS NOT ANY BETTER THAN MINE.

ME!!! I am hoping to get some full length shots in soon

There is passage after passage where the treatment of slaves is mentioned in the new testament.. shall i get them for you? The other "Nothing in the bible that tells you about interracial marriage, but it has passage after passage on inter-religious marriage, which is what people based that on." What I meant to say is that for years, people used the passages on banning inter-religious marriage to mean a ban on inter-racial marriage. It was years before people agreed that they were wrong and inter-racial marriage was ok. The third We dont recognise other religions based on the first commandment And lastly, we CHANGED some laws because, oops, somepeople do NOT worship God, and since we have some laws based on what is wrong/right in the bible, I guess we have to change that. We are creating a law against homosexuality strictly based on what God said, or what we think what God said. That, in a free society, is wrong.

So you say there is nothing the bible where passage after passage tells you how you are supposed to treat your slaves, which makes slavery OK? Nothing in the bible that tells you about interracial marriage, but it has passage after passage on inter-religious marriage, which is what people based that on. Thou shalt have no God before me. The basis of not recognizing other religions. But the fact is that we have laws based on God's laws on the books. OR based on someone's interpretation of God's laws. What makes divorce ok now???? The fact that the law recognises not everyone belives in God's law.

As a matter of fact we have infringed on other people!!! We didnt Divorce, based on what somone said is in the bible - was changed We allowed Slavery, based on what someone said is in the bible -was changed We didnt allow Interracial marriage based on what someone said is in the bible - was changed Even not recognising other religions. As a matter of fact, Wiccans are still having a heck of a fight to have thier symbol placed on the tombs of soliders who died in Iraq. -- YET TO BE CHANGED There are states that do not allow anything other than the missonary position, based on what is in the bible. -- YET TO BE CHANGED So, tell me again, how we dont infringe on others based on their beliefs or non beliefs?

The NASB version also has an AND in that verse gross immorality and went after strange flesh The WNT gross fornication and having gone astray in pursuit of unnatural vice NAB sexual promiscuity and practiced unnatural vice Im sorry. I see TWO bad things in that verse

Premarital sex in the bible = BAD period. Thats what I said. period. And that verse is FREQUENTLY used to show where is says that premarital sex is bad.

What I see as the problem is that you are pick and choosing the laws. You want laws based on God's biblical principals, but not all of them. I am not a political person, I can not quote laws. But it seems that people are trying to create laws to prevent the marriage of homosexual people. Where are those right winger creating laws against other sins in the bible? Thats all fine and good until they infringe upon people that dont follow those principals. The fact remains, as much as I am saddened by it, there are some people that DO NOT believe in God. In a free country you can not have laws that are a direct component of a religion. And, dont go off the deep end and start saying that if we didnt have God's laws, we'd have to allow murder. That is a red-herring jump in logic and you know it.

I take great offence that you say I am taking anything out of context. I agree that you can infer homosexuality out of this reference. Premarital sex is still AGAINST GOD's Law So, I am going to take something out of context in your post, Are you now defending premarital sex now? Or is it that you dont want to see laws against premarital sex?? What pray tell EXACTLY am I taking out of context??