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Well, thank you for explaining that .... yes, she believes is not true, so that makes it a belief.., I hope she cherishs it... I think it's good to cherish something.... and fun.... I don't like the traffic for sure, crowds I can live with and I love giving gifts too! don't mind receiving some too... but I like giving much more... That's a good thing you do for charity, I love charities... I'm a sucker for them, hubby and I both get money taken out of our paychecks for different charities, we both do $25.00 twice a month. but it's divided among different charities, so it's not that much... my favorite is St Jude's hospital, but I like them all, really.... I can see when someone doesn't see their family often how Christmas can be extra nice....seeing your family... I'm glad you still enjoy it! Elena

hhhhhmmmmmmm, Maybe so...., well hopefully it will satisfy her to cherish her belief on the pregnant virgin being ridiculous, I'm still not sure how is that a "belief", but what do I know, if it is, then good for her, something is better than nothing, right?

Thank you very much for your post.. I don't know if there are any beliefs of any kind, religious or not, or even in oneself that someone with so much bitterness could cherish...

You said... "my bitterness", so obviously you admit that you are bitter... that's a good thing.... THis is how I feel, it's not about believing what Wassa says or not just because you are telling me not to.... I believed that you were hurt at first, but I personally went and read all your posts, because I wanted to know about you for myself, not because Wassa said anything... and I found that mostly your posts are very bitter, if not all.. I also found many contradictions, which indicate lies... and even on this particular post, you keep insulting and keep being extremely bitter and accusatory, so that tells me that's how you are... and that unfortunately I can't trust you anymore.... or believe everything you have said... I'm sorry... Hey, I did try .... actually I believed you at first like I said, but your attitude, posts and words are just too much, too bad, too nasty... I don't think anybody here wants to have the last stab at you, listen to yourself! that's crazy! re-read all the posts that have been directed to you on this thread, you are wrong, and wrong again, I'm only telling you this for your own sake, you used words that are hateful, accusing others of being weird and being like cancer, please re-consider your attitude.... take a brake, think and think some more.... do you realize that mostly everyone is telling you that your attitude is wrong? do you think that everybody is crazy and you are the only one that is right? use common sense... Elena

Hey, I won't sue you! life is too short, so eat a little, live a little! You know, I wish my taste changed or I couldn't find food as good as before, but not me.... everything tastes good and the same to me as before and my mind wants to eat non-stop..... but I keep trying..... darn it!:angry

WOW! I didn't know, I apoplogize, I went strictly by what she said in this thread and I believed her..., and even felt bad that I was a little harsh when I tried to explain and defended myself..... I'm sorry that she targeted you and others yesterday in other threads... I'm very sorry , I will definitely do more research next time and well, I think I'm a little naive sometimes.... You know, by behaving that way she hurts others, but she is hurting herself too... I hope she realizes that..It's sad. Thank you for the info. Elena

Miracles do happen! Yes they do! and I sincerely hope that she will leave the anger behind very soon...

Oh Lisa, thank you so much! likewise, may your holidays be filled with happiness and health and always! Elena:biggrin1:

So do I Derrick!

I meant dear Green, I did! keep it up! I admire you!:clap2:

You have a good point, however, I think that most people are trying either to defend themselves or explain their points to her, which I think it's only human... I guarantee you that "I" am not bitter towards her, I was hurt at some of her comments, I may have been defensive as well, but I'm not bitter, in fact, I believe that she has had a very tough life and she does have reasons to feel the way she does,and I would LOVE for her to feel better and more positive, because I know that ultimately it would be better for her, and I'm saying this because I have also had a tough life myself and I know how it affects you, and not until I let go and tried to live in the present and forgave and became a more positive person I was able to feel better and have a better life, so but no bitterness from me.

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THere you go! well said

I don't think you were insulted, you insulted others and others defended themselves, pray for you? didn't do it yesterday when I was in a hurry, but I will do it today, believe it or not...I know you don't want it, but I'll do it anyways.... Hypocrisy during Christmas or any other time of the year is very real in people, but should that matter? as long as you know you are not being hypocrit, we should be ok, and you don't have to be a believer to enjoy the holidays either... did you read other posts?

Extremely good point:clap2::clap2::clap2:

Green, your debating style is great and respectful, even if I don't agree all the time, I enjoy it always, I truly appreciate it very much, I hope one day I can be as good as you, thank you. Elena:D

I agree that the commercialization of it is not the best part...:omg: I'm a sucker for donating and giving to organizations, so that part I don't mind, I even try to do it all year round as much as I could, have them taken out of my paychecks , etc.. I'm glad to hear that you enjoy it for the fun of it though, that's a fun attitude and we all need that!:clap2:

What a relief! I also think he is real!:eek: and I also enjoy sitting on Santa's lap....oh I'm such a bad girl... I try to find a really good looking Santa too....:kiss

You are welcome, your post touched me, I found it heartfelt and I appreciated it. You know, it happens in other religions too, some Chruches that claim to be Christians have made their own set of rules.... not necessarily good rules either... and don't follow the true Christianity... it does happens, so I understand you.:eek:

So you mean to tell me you enjoy these holidays for the fun of it? but are the Bunny and Santa not real? Well.... I'm glad to know I'm not the only one having fun sometimes....and I'm not the only "fool" that celebrates with the bunny and the bearded guy...maybe we should take life more seriously....:eek:

Yes, some and many use it against republicans, again I didn't say "you" and yes, I believe you were and are still being defensive... maybe I am too, which is fine with me, but you definitely also. What the heck is wrong to adopt welfare fraud and high taxes as a platform, and why is wrong to be vocal about it? many, many agree with that, it's a very good thing to be vocal about it and it's an even better thing to adopt it as a platform, I'm sure you agree with democrats adopting gay marriage, socialized medicine , pro abortion and other issues as part of their platform, so why not welfare fraud or high taxes? do you see anything wrong with that? do you think that because republicans may emphasize on that is because they resent helping people in need? otherwise why are you so taken by the fact that it's part of their platform, I see it as a great thing! in fact, thank you for bringing it up, in my opinion, it helps republicans...

Well, I never said that "Bjean" said that republicans are cold hearted, I said that many democrats portray us that way, I hope you are not one of them since you are being defensive about it, again, I never said it was you. The media? most of it scores left, CBS, The New York Times,Los Angeles Times and I can keep going on and on all afternoon about this... so I refuse to go by how the media portrays republicans, that for sure is a given.. Welfare fraud and abolition of taxes? It sure should be a hot topic in democratic conventions too! and I'm glad it is in republican conventions, heck yes, shouldn't we all be against welfare fraud? shouldn't we all be for monitoring these programs so that taxes shouldn't have to be raised? that doesn't mean not helping the ones who need it...it doesn't mean that at all..:eek:

That's what is intriguing to me, that a bunch of people in my office that claim to be Democrats were the ones complainting, it was about Katrina actually... I just wonder if some democrats are really honest about portraying themselves as so caring.... Oh gee, I have many republican friends who are very caring, giving and as far as not to like paying taxes... who does? sure it would be nice to get a clean paycheck, but we all pay it wether we like it or not because we know it's necessary , the republicans that have posted here have not stated that they resent paying taxes for people that are on welfare, from what I understand they have said that they don't like it when it's abused and taken advantage of and that is totally different, but many democrats want to interpret it that way and use it against republicans.:heh:

Aaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwww, and I laugh at your attitude and you...sure at you too! , it's sad the way you talk, but I admit it's funny too..... and of course you are not bitter....who would think that...?:faint: You came looking for liquor? are you drunk yet?

I'm sorry that you have to feel this way, I truly am.. you do sound like a very nice person. I will add that many people think that all Christians do is think of ways to convert others to Christianity... which is also not true.. I agree with what you said, I also agree with points that were brought up by others in this thread... it's complicated and brings out many emotions on people...