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Hmmm. I think I know what I want for my birthday! Thanks to everyone for adding their thoughts. I really believe that its not selfish to ask your spouse or children to eat healthy. It can definately be argued that its selfish of your spouse and kids to want to continue to eat crap at the risk of your health. Viewpoints change depending on where you stand. Maybe my zeal is because I'm fresh and fired up. I don't feel fresh and fired up. I feel like I'm teetering on the brink of disaster. Kryssa - I am so happy you are more lovable than a packet of deep fried spud shavings. I am extremely happy for you!

Well, if I fail, then I'm dead. So we will be able to continue this discussion in heaven (if thats your belief system). And as for beginning, I've been fighting my weight for 25 years, if thats beginning, I'd hate to know how long I have to go before I'm considered experienced. And if food isn't a temptation, why do people cry because they suffer? If its just food... why do they cry? Explain that to me.

Vines you are welcome here anytime. And I actually do understand a great deal of what you are talking about and this is because I know a lot about nutrition. I'm a former food chemist and microbiologist and knowing food was my living. I've also been a professional organaleptic assessor (thats a food taster). I am by nature analytical and I am determined to take the back off the watch of the universe to see how it ticks. The fact is I have seen bansters with one, two or even three years under their belt (band) who are crying out, just as I have said. While I accept that you Vines, and may others, have come to terms with their demons, many have not. I'm open to any discussion, and I'm enjoying the thread, the bottom line is that I created this thread for specific people. If I get one person on a better path, I've achieved my goal.

If your spouse is willing to choose potato chips over you, that makes me very sad. This isn't a case of depriving him, its a case of preserving you. He can get snacky foods and eat em all day, all you would be asking is to help you preserve your sanity and help you not die from morbid obesity. I've seen people state that they buy the crap because they want it. I've seen a lot say that they 'have' to buy it for their kids. If you'd grown up being given a piece of fruit instead of a candy bar, would you now be obese? Now there's a concept. I'm realistic, I really am. I didn't get obese through any means other than scoffing to much food. My ability to get food is what preserves me. I'm legally blind and can not drive. The only food that comes into the house is healthy and I have no means to go and get it myself. I don't have will power as much as I have protection from harm.

Well, consider it preachy, consider it pedantic, consider it what you will. I started out saying that if this wasn't you, this thread doesn't apply. I didn't really launch this for opinions of people to comment on negatively (and somewhat insultingly). I made this thread for people it applies to. So, with respect, your opinion is noted, and ignored.

Kare, I don't think your solution is in anyway rediculous. You have taken a rational course of action to counteract an irrational problem. By no means is it a cure, but will any of us trully be cured? I am sad to say that I think not. I guess I come from the standpoint right now (looking back) of wishing my parents hadn't given me 'goodies'. It got to the stage where all I wanted was 'goodies' and nutrition and health could go hang. I have been totally lucky in all respects with cravings. Today I had to deal with a tough one. While at home I have total control over my environment. there is nothing 'yummy!' in the house. There is good healthy food but nothing I've ever reached out and snacked on. Today's test came at work where a box of peanut brittle was left out in the break room. I watched every member of the office stuffing their face with it and telling me how wonderful it was. Quite the monkey on my back. I did prevail by pure bloody denial. I kept telling myself that this is NOT food, its trash and it has NO reason to be in my mouth. I just thought about how much easier life would have been if that damn box wasn't on the table today.

I totally agree. But we also might as well ask that people not commit crime, that everyone gets an annual 20% pay raise and that McDonald's is going to refund all the money we'd ever spent there. It's laudible to want this to happen, but it isn't going to. Temptation is real, its here to stay. It's an integral part of human nature. I'm suggesting an action to deal with something that for a lot of people is real. I'm also suggesting that in their countless years of being obese that they haven't rationalized their eating habits and are now ready to eat one quarter of a slice of pizza and call it good. This post is for the people who haven't figured out how to rationalize and one simple post saying "aha, lets go ahead and realize its just food and we can eat it or not, as we want" is going to provide them the glorious lightbulb to the problem they have had for decades.

*applauds Jack's last* Nice one Matey

I think maybe you missed the entire point of why I wrote this thread Vines. I am talking about people who suffer from temptation and I am advising them that they would best be served by removing and banning the temptation from their house (in my opinion). If you don't suffer from this, then none of this thread applies to you.

Thats such a fascinating thing to claim. This would be from the "all things in moderation" concept I suspect. I have to disagree with you. If the food serves no purpose other than taste its merely pandering to a mind that has suffered years of abuse. I describe it as abuse as ice cream, cookie dough, pizza, pretty much any fast food, or anything that is composed almost entirely of fat should have no place in a diet. I consider it much like the abused and battered wife who keeps going back to the husband because she doesn't know how to exist without him. I can not accept that my favorite foods like Munchies, Bugles, Fignewtons, Sausage gravy and, my old friend beer, have any place in a healthy balanced diet and SHOULD be forbidden. I respect everyone's right to have whatever they want. This post is for those who cry out in torment at having eaten a tub of cookie dough or walked in to find a large supreme grease with extra lard (pizza) on the kitchen table. If thats not you, this ain't for you. There is an over-rated concept that we should accept and pander all of our whims and desires, that nothing is 'forbidden'. That we should explore our desires and temptations and taste of them to figure out who we really are. I disagree with that, vehemently.

Too bloody much in Idaho I believe the booklet price is $19,500 but that doesn't include pre-op tests and the local doc's demand a sleep study. All told we're up to at least $25K (including a rather amusing $1500 additional bill for the anaesthetist's nurse).

Something else to bear in mind is that a dextrose or glucose tablet can be chewed up very small and swallowed. Chewable vitamins are going to be on your menu too and they are of a similar consistancy.

I certainly did, but I can't correct the bloody quote in your post, so I figure oh well, I shall demonstrate my lack of spelling and hope I don't get corrected *wink*. :cool:

Clearly not by spelling the word "Thread" "Tread". LOL

I totally appreciate all the things you are going through. Maybe it would be just easier for you to turn your signature display options off? I am sure you know all the important data in people's signatures already. It's under Your options in the Tread Display Options section. Noone wants to hurt your feelings, but people are going to want to display their progress. I'm trully sorry you are having such a bad time at the moment Vines :cool:

Hell everyone does know that. What is wrong with you?? Actually... I blame the parents. My father had some marvelous favorite foods that I can't even bring myself to document here, because the thought of it turns my stomach.

I'm so sorry Tracey :cool: Thank you for posting.

Grasshopper, the length of the journey is different for everyone, it is reaching the destination that counts. Welcome to the board, your surgeon will be able to lay out what he/she needs done. For example, in Boise ID, it can take anywhere up to 6 weeks to get a sleep study (and thats a frequent requirement). So speak to that surgeon and get yourself on your journey

The skin around my left eye crinkled slightly....

I second your sentiment Doc. I shall now repeat the man prayer from the Red Green show: "I'm a man, I can change, if I have to, I guess." We gotta give everyone a fair shake of the stick, even if we don't agree with them.

Hi Natlin Dr. Emma Patterson in Portland trained our Surgeon (Dr. Robert Cahn). He stated that she is one of the best in the country. Hope that helps.

That is pretty much accurate. I'm originally from the UK. My house had two flights of stairs - you had to walk up a flight of stairs to get to the living area. Someone rings the doorbell - you have to charge downstairs to open it. My parents never learned to drive, there was no need. I would walk to work every day no matter if it was raining, raining or raining (see the trend there, occasionally make the rain freezing and horizontal from a 60mph wind). Portion size was very much up to the individual, but generically smaller than the US. The big thing I noticed when I came to the US was the sheer horrific amount of sugar in the food. I actually had trouble eating bread because it was so DAMN sweet. Since removing fat and refined sugar from my diet I now struggle to eat 1000 calories a day.

One thought behind this entire disease is the inate human desire to survive. It's thought that the desire to gorge yourself comes from a time when we were primarily hunter / gatherers and never knew where the next meal was coming from. Gorge all summar for a thin winter. What we have here, IMO, is a simple survival mechanism (a very good thing) still working in a society where it isn't needed. I think the mechanism is indeed inherited. All those skinnfy folks would be in trouble if a famine hit

Dropped to 270.5 this week. Thats a loss of 3.5 for the week and too fast. I have added in oatmeal and will also add fruit to try and slow the loss.

Dropped to 270.5 this week. Thats a loss of 3.5 for the week and too fast. I have added in oatmeal and will also add fruit to try and slow the loss.