Creekimp13

I don't mind people who disagree with something I've posted and say why they do. That's civil disagreement, and it's always welcome in my threads. And even encouraged. I love a good debate, particularly when people can provide some links to reputable research. Adults can disagree without being backbiting and taking everything that's said in general....as if it were aimed at them personally. Which is isn't. Adults should be able to walk away when they don't care for a topic or don't find it relevant. Adults should be able to keep debating civilly, or lose interest and move on peacefully. Last I checked, the only person with the right to patrol and control the content of the board...is the board's owner. That whole....Live and let live thing? Some folks on this board need to work that.

As Summerset pointed out, percentage of calories coming from protein is the best gauge of how "high protein" a diet is. Quoting studies that show compelling evidence that high protein diets are dangerous long term isn't fear mongering...it's trusting adults to read the literature themselves and gain awareness. Knowledge is never a bad thing.

^^This! Spot on point, Summerset.

Research would say I am not inflating the issue. Research also backs up my claim that getting most of your protein from animal sources by severely restricting protein rich carbs...might not be wise. Not to mention the fiber you lose when you do this....that is important for healthy gut bugs. I'm not correcting anyone. I'm putting some information out there. Take what you like, leave the rest:)

Topic absolutely applies to bariatrics. Eating too much protein can increase your odds of cancer, diabetes, renal failure and other illnesses associated with premature aging. MANY people here post menus that include more than 100g of protein per day. There are a lot of clinics that encourage their patients to eat as much protein as they can tolerate. It's terrible and potentially dangerous advice...particularly when people see it as a means to get thinner quicker. Also...if these threads are not of interest to you and you don't find them of value, you are welcome to ignore them, or even block me. I've blocked a few posters I find unpleasant or uninteresting... and have had a much better experience at BP since I have:)

A. Her husband had a Halloweenie:) Happy Halloween ya'll!

I eat a lot of healthy carbs...so I don't crave the really awful ones and fall off the wagon.

A huge part of my success/recovery from obesity...has been working through the causes of my lifelong overeating with my therapist. If lack of being able to overeat is sucking the joy out of your life...it might be time to consult your therapist. I promise they don't bite...and even a crusty skeptic like me...has found talking about my food issues incredibly helpful with my progress.

My health hasn't been this good since my 20's. I feel amazing. My strength and stamina shock me. One problem that was addressed by my surgery that was unexpected....was discovering and correcting a vitamin D deficiency. I think the multivitamins shore up nutritional gaps and support good immune function. I have not had so much as a cold since my surgery almost a year ago. I have not had any coughs or infections. I did have my flu shot both last year and this year...which might have helped. Dental-wise, my teeth have been perfect. Had them cleaned twice since surgery and both times had a clean dental bill of health. This was of particular concern to me....because I had a dental implant two years ago with a bone graft and was scared it could fail. Nope...it's doing great. No issues at all. The conditions that have improved since my weight loss and new diet: No longer pre-diabetic. No longer have hypertension. No longer have breathing issues at night. No longer have acid reflux. No longer have intermittent hemorrhoids or anal fissure (ouch!)..it's GONE:) My anus is a happy healthy camper. I know this is gross, but I want to offer hope to the afflicted. LOL. No longer have obesity related skin rashes. (got them in my groin/thigh crease sometimes and it bothered me) No longer have leg edema! At all! You can see the tendons on top of my feet and I LOVE them! Can also wear normal sized tall boots instead of the wide calf ones:) No longer get warts on my toes. I think this was related to my leg edema. I used to get sore throats constantly. Several times a year. Have not had one since weight loss. No longer have chronic loose stool. Dietary changes fixed this one completely. Poo is textbook. I have a much better libido:) I have fewer hormonal break-outs. Arthritis still stinks...but is MUCH better. No more daily pain meds. My energy is through the roof. Only negatives I can think of.... Psychologically, I wasn't really prepared to have a lifelong coping mechanism just disappear....it was surprisingly unpleasant to work through that. Didn't see that coming! Lost about half my hair. Good thing my hair is crazy thick! It's growing back:)

Apples are incredibly good for you. They're delicious. They provide and feed some wonderful gut microbiota and they're chock full of phytonutrients you need to prevent illness. https://www.healthline.com/nutrition/10-health-benefits-of-apples#section6 https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC442131/#idm140507075898624title The trick is to pick carbs that have lots of nutrients and fiber... and less refined empty crap. Apples are a stellar choice! If my body is craving the hell out of carbs...I don't put myself in the position where I lose my mind and go completely off the reservation and eat something stupid. I have some fruit or beans. I have a whole grain snack...some oatmeal or whole grain toast. I beat the carb cravings into submission and outsmart them by giving them some good carbs that are rich and in plant protein, fiber, or both. You want carbs, body? Ok, you can have plenty...but I get to pick good ones. I eat a lot of fruit. I love fruit now. I very honestly would prefer fruit to candy and donuts these days....which I would never have believed a year ago. My favorite "comfort food" is watermelon now. I would rather have a slab of watermelon with candles on it than a birthday cake. LOL:) And you know what? I feel better. I don't feel edgy or like I'm in a war with food. I don't feel like I must banish things forever or punish and deny myself. I trust myself to stop at a couple of bites on special things on special occasions....because I truly love my regular forever diet. Because of my high fiber diet....staying in my calorie limit is incredibly easy. When I'm not eating fruit and whole grains, I'm munching on side salads, carrots in hummus, bowls of veggie soup, cans of mushrooms, There are 15 calories in a little can of mushrooms. For 15 calories...you get 2 grams of protein and 3 grams of fiber. Mushrooms are a nutritional powerhouse and I'm glad I love them. Hungry people with cravings make bad choices. I don't go there anymore. I eat. A lot. But really mindfully.

My $.02 Protein replacements are necessary in the beginning. They can be a decent "on the run" choice. But long term, we need to eat healthy food...and there are healthier options than eating a ****-ton of artificially sweetened whey. Once in a while, though, they're a great option and worth keeping around. There are also dangers in eating too much protein long term that you should discuss with your doctor. Average sized folks who are busting 80g per day every day long term....should discuss it with their docs. 60-80g per day is an awesome maintenance level. Would be even better... if half or more of those grams were coming from complex carbs and plant based protein, IMO. My program recommends the lighter side of the protein requirement after you hit maintenance. I eat about 60-65g per day these days.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673798/

What few people realize here...is that there is a difference between mouse biochemistry and human biochemistry. Particularly, in the way we deal with IGF-1. Mouse studies are pointless. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2673798/ These findings demonstrate that, unlike in rodents, long-term severe CR (caloric restriction) does not reduce serum IGF-1 concentration and IGF-1 : IGFBP-3 ratio in humans. In addition, our data provide evidence that protein intake is a key determinant of circulating IGF-1 levels in humans, and suggest that reduced protein intake may become an important component of anticancer and anti-aging dietary interventions. MMME's study above...while from a reputable source...was done on mice.

OP, have I told you lately that I love you?

People might be interested to know that there is a significant increase in colorectal cancer in weight loss surgery patients. This potentially encourages two behaviors... 1. Make sure to do your colonoscopies as directed by your health professionals for screening. 2. Pay attention to a colorectal cancer prevention diet. Which means...more fiber, more carbs, less meat.

Why do I care? Because it's sad to me that heavy people are working so hard to be healthy...and are largely uninformed of these risks. When I no longer see vets in renal failure, and who have new cancers after weight loss surgery...I will stop caring.

We do practice calorie control. From week three until goal...my calorie goal was 1000-1200 calories per day. We are encouraged to move liberally. Lots of daily walking and 30 minutes of cardio or resistance training 3 times a week. My particular diet allowes 75 calories of "treats" per day that can be banked for special occasions. I do eat meat. When I do, it's mostly chicken and fish. I very occasionally eat fresh red meat. I get more than half of my daily require protein from plant/carb bases sources. I eat 60g of protein per day. Because research strongly links cancer to dairy and processed meats, I avoid any form of deli/luncheon meat, whey shakes, whey protein bars, yogurt, cheese, milk. I occasionally eat these things in small quantities. I know bariatric patients who are getting 30%+ of their calories from these sources...and it's worth reviewing the research for your own safety.

I will continue to post nutrition articles that are of concern to bariatric patients. We are adults. Those who appreciate them can read them. Those who don't....can either continue to whine and cry about them....or act like adults and simply ignore them. I've been thanked privately and encouraged to continue posting. I'm happy to do that for those who find it of use.

As I have explained multiple times. My instructions worked phenominally for me. I am below goal and have eaten healthy carbs and fruits every day. My bariatric team is 100% on board with us eating baked potatoes, brown rice and whole grain breads. We are encouraged to eat a good portion of our required protein from plant sources due to the risks associated with a high animal protein diet. I was shocked to see the propensity at this site to force the agenda of protein eating at the exclusion of other healthy foods, in particular, healthy carbs and fruit.....which are necessary for good health.

https://health.clevelandclinic.org/link-red-meat-cancer-need-know/

https://www.cancer.org/latest-news/world-health-organization-says-processed-meat-causes-cancer.html

https://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/ask/ask-the-expert-dairy-products

The average bariatric patient gets a massive amount of their protein from protein drinks, protein bars, yogurt, cheese and milk. And they are encouraged to. Dairy products are strongly correlated to breast cancer, ovarian cancer, prostate cancer . No one discusses this, and fat people are getting thrown out of the frying pan into the fire. And it sucks because they work so hard to be healthy. The lack of education is staggering.

Apparently Miz failed to open the link and follow the links to the studies.

Yes...animal proteins are what cause increased cancer/cardiovascular disease/mortality. Which is why I get more of my needed protein from healthy vegetable based sources like baked potatos, brown rice, and whole grain bread:) These vegetable-based proteins are awesome. As are beans, nuts, seeds, etc. https://www.pcrm.org/health/cancer-resources/ask/ask-the-expert-dairy-products