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Also, protein pasta! Excellent source of plant-based protein.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/alicegwalton/2014/03/04/the-protein-puzzle-meat-and-dairy-may-significantly-increase-cancer-risk/#749e74c058b7 This research describes a "high protein diet" as being a diet with 20% of total calories coming from protein. Since most bariatric patients fit this profile, it is worth reviewing and discussing with your doctor. This is particularly important as you move to maintenance. Why High-Protein Diets May Be Linked To Cancer Risk Alice G. Walton Despite the popularity of protein-rich diets like Atkins and Paleo, new research suggests that it may be wise to steer the opposite way, especially when it comes to cancer risk. In the new study, middle-aged people who ate protein-heavy diets had a markedly increased risk of dying from cancer compared to their low-protein counterparts. But, as always, there are caveats: Protein from animal sources – meat and dairy – was what largely produced the risk, whereas plant-derived proteins seemed to be “safer.” And the rules seem to be different for people over the age of 65. So what are we to do? "There's a misconception that because we all eat, understanding nutrition is simple,” said study author Valter Longo, director of the Longevity Institute at the University of Southern California. “But the question is not whether a certain diet allows you to do well for three days, but can it help you survive to be 100?" In the new study, the team followed over 6,300 adults over the age of 50, to see what effect high-, medium-, and low-protein diets had on longevity. A high-protein diet was defined as 20% of one’s daily calories coming from protein, a moderate-protein diet is made up of 10-19% calories from protein, and a low-protein diet consists of less than 10% protein. People in the study ate, on average, 16% protein, with two-thirds coming from animal sources – pretty typical of an American diet, the authors say. The findings were intriguing: People from ages 50-65 who ate high-protein diets were four times more likely to die of cancer – this is in the ballpark of smoking risk, say the authors – compared to people who ate low-protein diets. Even those who ate moderate-protein diets were three times as likely to die from cancer. And people who ate high-protein diets were 75% more likely to die from any cause, including three times as likely to die from diabetes. The team calculated that reducing protein intake from moderate to low would reduce the risk of death by 21%. Interestingly, when the source of the protein was taken into consideration, things changed a bit. When animal-derived sources taken out of the mix, the mortality risk was significantly reduced: In other words, plant-based protein did not seem to present the same kind of problem as protein from animal sources."The majority of Americans are eating about twice as much proteins as they should, and it seems that the best change would be to lower the daily intake of all proteins but especially animal-derived proteins," said Longo. "But don't get extreme in cutting out protein; you can go from protected to malnourished very quickly." Why the protein-cancer connection? Protein intake influences the levels of the growth hormone IGF-I, which not only affects the growth of healthy cells, but can also encourage cancer cell growth. In fact, in the current study, the team found that for every 10 ng/ml increase in IGF-I, people who ate high-protein diets were 9% more likely to die from cancer than those on a low-protein diet. This growth hormone mechanism seems to be the reason that calorie-restricted diets have been shown to increase longevity in certain species, including, possibly, humans. But again, there are more caveats. IGF-I levels decline over the years, especially after age 65, which is part of the reason that people lose muscle tone and become frailer with age. And the current study bore this out, too: When the team looked at people above the age of 65, people who ate more protein had a reduced risk of death. The protein issue is therefore complex, and will require some more research. But the recommendations arising from the current study, says Longo, line up with those from the World Health Organization and the Institute of Medicine. Longo tells me that generally people should stick with “plant based proteins and/or stay as close as possible to 0.36 grams of protein per pound of body weight per day. This is about 54 grams of protein per day for a 150-pound person… However, going lower than that can be detrimental.” So, it may be wise to watch your protein intake, at least in middle age. And at any age, eating a plant-based diet is probably smart, as study after study shows the near-indisputable health benefits of doing so. "Almost everyone is going to have a cancer cell or pre-cancer cell in them at some point,” says Longo. “The question is: Does it progress? Turns out one of the major factors in determining if it does is protein intake."

Ah no..not doxing, sharing a publicly advertised site where the owner (Fluffy) makes money plugging the Keto diet. Illustrating a possible explanation for her fanatical obsession with everything I post. Also interesting...her bio says she's been eating a high protein low carb diet for 14 years. When was your cancer diagnosis, Fluffy? A few years ago, you say? Hmmmmm....

Hey Fluff, thanks for the bump. While I realize you do not value this information or believe in it's relevance, I do appreciate that your comments keep it moving up the board so that others who might find it of value can find it. By the way, how's business? Sell any of your keto cookbooks lately? http://fluffychixcook.com/ Cheers:)

I can see how you'd be afraid of that. Sounds awful! Glad you're doing better now:)

Make your own soup, AND put some BariatricPal soup on the shelf. Sometimes it's nice to have a variety of flavors in an on the go package. Homemade soup is a staple at my house. Loves it! Veggie, split pea, bean, crock pot leftover soup, chicken.... But it's awfully handy to have some soups in the cupboard that are grab and go.

https://www.bariatricpal.com/search/?q=three week stall You are not alone:) This, too, shall pass:)

Yikes! Ouch!

Ok, here's a comical one. In the first few weeks after surgery when my gut was completely wonky, I had a lil accident...thinking I was farting...while out shopping with my bestie. She ran and bought me a new pair of underpants and wet wipes while I hid in the bathroom cringing. OMG... Yep, pooping your pants in Kohl's is drama:)

I ate 1000 calories a day by 3 weeks, and about 1200 per day most of my loss phase. Ask your team what they advise. Do your best and be patient with yourself.

Talk to your nutritionist or bariatric team. They can help you sort out a good menu and give you some advice for getting things moving again. The three week stall is so legendary and typical, it has several threads here if you search. Hang in there and try to be patient. You're not alone and it will be ok.

I know there are a lot of folks who won't like this information, won't believe it, and don't want to hear about it. There are an equal number of folks who are concerned and are trying to learn all they can about it. Most bariatric patients eat 20%+ of their calories from protein. Worse, most bariatric patients eat mostly animal sources of protein....meat, eggs, cheese, milk...all the whey drinks. Traditional dietary advice for the bariatric patient puts the patient distinctly at odds with emerging findings on protein's effect on IGF-1.... and is a diet that significantly increases the odds of cancer in people under 65. The effect is a person who is working very very hard...potentially leaping out of the frying pan into the fire. If you're eating 20%+ of your calories from protein, and particularly, animal protein...this is research that you should be aware of, and have access to weigh for yourself. This affects you. MOST folks here have been or currently are in this category. You may decide to do nothing. You may decide to talk to your doctor or dietitian about it. You may decide to do more research. I'm not telling anyone what to do. You may decide to make some small changes. Replace a whey protein product with a pea protein product. Eat a little less cheese and a few more nuts. Have less dairy pudding and more Chia seed pudding. Maybe have a veggie burger once a week and omit a serving of beef. Maybe you'll make some big changes....maybe you'll be comfortable with small changes....or no changes at all. Awareness of these studies is at best.....important...and at worst...harmless. People have a right to make up their own minds.

tnks2ph, wish I knew what to tell you. I don't. I don't have any clue about your mental health issues, so I sure as hell would not advise you to drop your meds. Frankly, I think anyone who would say that to a stranger on the internet after reading one post...really needs to do some thinking about how dangerously unwise that is. I know that SSRI meds are infamous for causing weight gain. Some of the other ones are even worse. And shockingly...none of them is anything like pred....which sucks, too....but can't be compared. Best advice I can see that you've been given: "do not stop your meds without medical supervision if you have to choose between mental stability and being thin choose metal stability. i dont think you have to choose but if it comes down to just those 2 options choose mental health. you will take longer to get there but you have the rest of your life to finish this race." For your safety, you need some professional medical expertise on this topic. You won't find it here. Maybe try to get a referral consult with a psychiatric group who works with eating disorders? They might have more advanced knowledge on how different psychiatric meds effect diet and weight outcomes...and have strategies for overcoming the difficulties you're experiencing. There are a lot of people in your shoes. Someone reputable has good answers. Just have to find them. Wishing you the best.

I had sleeve surgery a year ago and I ate some last week. I prefer the nut meats only, but I had a handful in the shell with my bestie and didn't suffer any ill effects. Best, always, to ask your nutritionist about this kinda stuff. Some people have incredibly sensitive digestion after surgery. Some do very well with this kind of thing. Just depends a bit on which kind of experience your anatomy picks. I ate popcorn two months out and had no issues. I've never once vomited since surgery and other than corn on the cob...have never had anything give me discomfort. I munch down potato skins, celery, seeds and nuts, apples with skins, pretty much everything. Other folks...will have problems with lettuce. Just kinda depends. Wish I had a better answer. Best wishes! When in doubt...ask your clinic.

I love movies, but haven't seen one at the theater that I've liked in quite a while. Blockbusters kinda a leave me....meh. Have seen some good ones on Amazon, Hulu and Netflix, though. They're not new, but here are a few recent favorites: My First Mister 2001 A Man Called Ove (Swedish film) 2015 Departures (Japanese film) 2008 Love these films. SO good:) Also love any of the old animations from (Japanese) Studio Ghibli....have been exploring them recently, and they're a treasure. Start with My Neighbor Totoro:)

You might enjoy watching the video journals of bariatric patients on youtube if you haven't already. It's kinda fun to watch people talk about their experiences. Good luck!

If you have a number to call for after hours concerns...I'd use it. Even if they don't want to send you to the ER, they'll likely want to keep track of this. And they may opt to send you to the ER. Does not sound like dumping. Update us when you can. Wishing you the best.

Your fatigue concerns me. Sounds like you're eating really sensibly and mindfully...so you really should have energy. Two ideas... 1. Get a physical. Not a bariatric physical...but a regular one. See if your regular doc has any ideas. If that checks out and s/he thinks you're physically ok, maybe try... 2. Have a visit with a bariatric therapist. Sometimes losing a lifelong coping mechanism and all the changes we go through...can have emotional fall out we don't realize. Can cause some depression that can put us off our game. Can't hurt to look into if nothing else is making sense. Best wishes! Feel better soon!

Am 46. Sleeved almost one year ago. Feel amazing:)

How many calories per day do you average?

I get a water (or sneak one in) and squirt some Mio in it. Will eat a little of hubby's popcorn and nibble on nuts in my pocket.

Went to Ihop the other night. Had the Southwest scramble. Ate about a third of it, and opted out of the toast/pancakes/tortillas. Essentially, you get scrambled eggs with salsa and avacado and cheese. You also get potatoes with peppers and onions. I ate all the salsa and avacado and peppers....some of the eggs with cheese...and a few potatoes. Was pretty good! At my favorite steakhouse, I get a tenderloin steak kabob. it has steak, onion, mushroom, green pepper. I have it with a baked potato and side salad, and eat around half. Really good. Sometimes I go to KFC and get a chicken breast and peel the skin off (130 calories) and eat it with a mashed potatoes and gravy (120 calories) and green beans (25 calories).... 275 calories to eat at KFC.... 29 grams of protein. Not a bad lunch on the go! I like Burger King's Veggie Burger. Can only eat half, but it's delicious, and I have them put extra veggies on it. Only about 200 calories for half. At McD's....the original egg mcmuffin is not a bad choice! 17 grams of protein, about 290 calories. Can't eat a whole one, but find what I can eat very satisfying. Nearly any restaurant has a legal option if you look hard enough......but you have to be willing to look for them...and if the restaurant is a trigger for you, you might be better off avoiding it. Gas stations always have packs of nuts, cheese sticks, and lots of them have hard boiled eggs. At a nicer restaurant....pick a good protein, add a side or two, and just watch calories. After a while, it's not hard. You figure out what works, and it's still really nice to go out.

https://www.livescience.com/43839-too-much-protein-help-cancers-grow.html

I had good luck with mashed potato, refried beans, oatmeal, pea soup, poached fish, egg, and a lot of protein drinks. In the early stages, I found that the toddler meat sticks were really gentle on my stomach. They're made with poultry and whey and are a good texture to move through and not get stuck. Skim milk and greek yogurt worked. I especially liked the whipped yogurt...it was light and fluffy. In the beginning, you do whatever you can tolerate. Your dietitian should have some great ideas.