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Take it with a grain of salt. It just seemed interesting to me when I ran across it. I might give it a shot to see how well it works. It seems to me that it would be a lot of Water weight lost, but they say you can repeat it the next week and get the same results, and can continue to do the diet over and over till you are satisfied. We'll see. http://www.idiet4u.com/diets/sacredheart.html

Preface: This thread is not one for fighting. I am starting it, I can request that it be locked if it gets out of hand. This thread is to discuss modern versus traditional Christian and additional religious ideas regarding social structure and economics. This is NOT a thread for bashing religion. If you cannot contain yourself and feel you must bash someone's religion, go to another site to do so. There are plenty on the net. Earlier today I was reading through a thread, and came across something DevilMayKare stated. Instead of hijacking the original thread I asked DevilMayKare if I could quote her here and discuss this topic. It is an interesting one, and one that has fascinated me for a few years now. Here is what she had to say: While I partially agree with Devil (kinda funny name in this case there Kare ) here is more what I feel the situation is. In the christian teachings that I was brought up with (I am baptist) faith does not breed prosperity. In fact, properity befalls people whom God believes will put it to good use, or who need to learn a lesson or two. I was also taught that through faith and God's will, what you need in life is provided for you. That word there is "need". I am not talking about an olympic sized swimming pool. A fancy red convertible. A 7 bedroom house with a sauna. But I, too, have seen some families and some groups with the thoughts that "the better the follower, the richer the rewards". And families in church with a lot of money and toys are upheld as "very faithful and dedicated" because God has "blessed" them with so much. I never understood why the truely faithful would fall into this sentiment, unless it is being taught somewhere. This mentality of "the more you have, the more you love and are loved" has to come from somewhere. Rob and I have been accused of this. It has really surprised us as well. We are faithful. We attend a church, teach to our children, pray together as a family, and attend many church social functions. We also do a lot of stuff that is not always looked at as "clean living" like drink, and go dancing at clubs, and swear at times. Yet we have been introduced at our church on three seperate occasions as being devout followers who have been rewarded richly for our service to God. Well yes, we have been rewarded with a wonderful life together, two beautiful intelligent and healthy children, and his will for us made clear. But then our introducers go on to speak about our home, and our jobs, and the school we want the kids to attend. Since when did this turn into a financial game? It has even seeped into our church!! I guess I would just like to open this up for discussion because I am curious as to who else has had this happen, or who has witnessed it. Why do you think religion has decided to judge a person's faith based on his wealth? Or do you not see this at all and Devil and I are just crazy? LOL That could very well be it!!

Rob and I always wanted a large family. When finances, business, and lack of insurance became an issue we shut down the baby making factory and started using birth control. Lately now that everything has settled down and we are secure again we have decided to continue our Quest for a larger family. We have two wonderful kids now, and plan on having at least a total of 4, possibly 5. our original intent long ago was for 8. I think I am too old for that now. I think that it is very important for people who have children to focus on what their current situation and see if it is the right time. Planning for a large family is a huge undertaking. One or two doesn't really dent the pocketbook. But 5 or 6 really does. lol

No one is calling anyone a liar. I asked you a question, you answered it. That is all I said. There is not lie there, because that is what happened. So why would I call you a liar. Quit trying so hard. Your desperation is showing. And I never said that anyone should be banned. Where did I ever suggest that you should be banned? I did report your post, twice. I think that you should be talked to by the mods. But I do not think you should be banned. As for the poor taste and judgment...honey, have you seen that EVERYONE has stated that it was in poor taste and judgement? Their issue lies with how upset I am over it. Not whether you crossed the line or not.

Actually, the most fun I have had on this board was way back when before the big rift. That was the most fun, and we did not have the rants and raves section, but it was not needed. I get into debate now because I am a very angry person, and debate is a calm way of getting my anger out. Its actually not something that I truly take joy in. But in my current state, I welcome any debate. Its better than staying angry about other things and having it destroy my days. this is not about debate, however, and disagreeing views. This is about poor taste and judgement. While you are entitled to have poor taste and judgement, it is still anyone's right to tell you that you have crossed a line. And in this case you crossed the line. Musicalmomma should not have opened the door that she did with her comment either. But you have taken it to an extreme, and when asked to clarify you continued it. I will not speak for Carlene, because we don't always agree on things ( :tea: ) but if my presence here makes you happier, I guess that is cool. I certaily don't need the cheerleading. Or is that your over abundance of smilies to indicate your jest? :drum:

that i have no idea on. I don't use firefox. to many issues.

Mark, I notcied your comment, asked for clarification, and you responded clearly. You are only in favor of the death penalty to kill christians. Joke or not, this is very poor taste and extremely stupid. You may lack tact in some cases to be witty and smart assed, but this was just dumb. Can you imagine the avalanche of posts that would be on my ass if I said "I am not in favor of the death penalty unless it is to kill all the mexcians illegally living here." Joke or no joke, I would be strung up my self in posts and probably given a very firm warning. Carlene, you are right in this case. Responding to him is the only way to satisfy him. And it would be best to not respond to him. But I cannot stand to hear someone, even jokingly say it is ok to kill christians. Sunta, you keep refering to fundamentalists, and I want to debate with you, but I want to be very clear on something first. What is your definition of fundamentalist christian? It can be refering to so many things. Lets clarify that first, then we can debate your topic.

I am way on board for rosie. and i really liked her a long time ago. She has just gotten so in your face! Its really tiring to see her anger over something inane for no reason, and then have to hear about all the press coverage she gets because of it.

I have been gone for the day. Nursing a nasty head cold. I hate being sick. I honestly did not notice musicalmomma's post. Sadly, I only saw the response to hers. And I believe that she was out of line as well. Its comments like that that welcome chastising of our faith and religion. It does not negate what you said mark. It only adds to the party. Carlene, while you might be used to it, does that mean you need to roll over? Esp when so many will be quick to jump on you if your opinion does not match theirs. Its sad really. And yes, Sunta, MOST Christians sit there and take it. Most would rather leave you to your opinion, and just spend less time with you than get into a fight about you bashing them. Or do you bash them so much that they are just forced to fight with you. Maybe you ought to take another look at how you approach Christians. You might find that you get less defense with less venom.

have you tried downloading the speller program I posted?

Look, here is the deal... I am aware you are kidding. The problem lies in the fact that even as joking you all feel this is ok. Carlene, your roll over and let lie additude about this proves my point. You know why it is so easy to bash christians? Because we rarely put up a fight. We believe in letting you be and not trying to force your thoughts and feelings a certain way. But ya know it gets really difficult. Everyday I see some crack here or there, on tele or out in the streets, of someone making fun of or poking fun at christians. People build entire careers out of it. But when a person, even in jest, makes remarks about any other creed or race or religion they are villified. If someone came on here and made a bunch of jokes about blacks, but it was all joking...and continued AFTER being told by a moderator to tone it down, they would be banned. Instead Alexandra slaps mark's wrists, pussies out at the last minute and tells him to go ahead and do it and put a lot of smilies, and mark does just that. I am a sarcasm lover. I joke all the time, and I love people that joke too. A lot of people hate me because of my humor and the fact that I am a bit too sarcastic at times. But I know that I also have taste, and would NEVER make a joke like the jokes Mark has continued to make. It sickens me that Alexandra's warning was not serious, and that Mark has been given free reign to continue his hatred through jokes as long as he uses a lot of smilie faces.

don't live with a defeatist attitude. if you continue to vote, changes will happen. The only way to change the govt is to have faith in the govt. Be unhappy with the people in it if you must, but you can change that.

yes it has. we must make changes, and force our govt to enforce the rules we have set forth. maybe then we can sort out our own problems while not having to worry about the problems of so many other countries.

The prejudice comment is directed towards those who think we are just speaking of mexicans when we refer to illegal aliens. there are a great number of islanders, cubans, haitians, chinese, koreans, french, spanish, germans, norwegians, indonesians, etc. Until a specific group is mentioned (such as in the border patrolman situation and speaking specifically about mexicans) it is not right to assume that we are just speaking about one group. To do so leaves out all of the other issues we face with so many other nationalities. But, it must be said that the country with the biggest percentage of illegals here is Mexico. And their concentrated numbers in certain border towns have left those town in financial ruin.

Whether he is or not, it is not an appropriate joke, and there would be an outcry if it were any other group. Why must we stand by and allow people to continually bash christians? Why is it so easy and given? I am tired of people thinking it is ok to step all over me because I am a Christian. I deserve the same rights and respect as any other group, sect, race, creed and color. Just because I am a Christian does not mean anyone should get a free ticket to make such heinous comments.

LOL Carlene, actually Texas is held in the highest regard for me. I think they do things right, by all means. I love that they self support, and that they really don't give any luxuries to the prisoners. Sadly this is not the case across the country. But Texas can sure be a fine example, and one that I hope the rest of the country will soon follow. I heard at one point that some prisons in Texas were so good at being self sufficient they had money left to give back to the community. Have you heard anything like this? Have you heard if this is true, and if so, what did they give the money back to? Schooling?

BJean, this is a very well thought out and put response to all of this. It needs to be fault on both levels, and I agree with you. We need to enforce the laws we have, or change them and enforce them. Either way we need to stop the hemorage of other countries into our country. And we need to stop making so many concessions for the illegal immigrants into this country. If we make it more comfortable and easier for them to break the law, then they will. As for the drug dealer comment, again, I am just passing along the news from a border patrolman. I am not stating that all illegal aliens from mexico are drug dealers, just the finding that most of those caught are single men trafficing drugs. It could be that families are just harder to catch. Who knows. But you are right...our open borders have made it a lucrative business. Ever seen cheech and chong? They have a scene in one of their movies (I forget which....i was always too drunk when I was watching it LOL) where INS comes and picks them all up. They are happy cause they get a free trip home and a meal, then they come right back over. I question how much of this is absed on reality. Usually comedy is based on all too familiar incidents.

Actually, I have done tons of research on this. Have you? No they are not all drug dealers. I am giving you the truths just from a Mexican Border Patrolman. Not all illegal aliens are from Mexico. And to assume that is what people mean when they talk about illegal aliens is quite prejudice. What makes you think people are refering to just mexicans? The reason they do most of the crap work here in america is because that is usually the work that is paid cash under the table. Its not because they like manual labor or are willing to do crap work. Its because they can't continue to skirt the system usually if they try for higher paying jobs. Don't blind yourself. Do some research. You might be surprised at what you find.

mark, i don't know whether you are kidding or not. You have left a lot open here on the board over your many posts to make me think you might not be kidding. But I have to say that to even kid around and say that you are in favor if killing christians has to be one of the lowest, most crude jokes I have ever heard. If anyone was to make a joke that they are not for killing unless it was jews, or blacks, or muslims, (or even dogs!!!) people would be down your throat. Yet it is completely ok to say this... Are there only two of us on this board that is OUTRAGED by this response???

i believe in the care of the greater good. focusing on one or two individuals who lose their life because they have been wrongly prosecuted should not mean that those who were rightly prosecuted should continue to live. I am actually torn on this argument quite a bit...but i will say that not one innocent person should determine the fate of many many guilty people. what does that say for all of the innocents that the guilty people killed? that their lives are not as important?

You would have someone killed based on their religion?

i don't think anyone is disputing that there are affluent countries. I just don't think it is the place of affluent countries to take care of the world's less fortunate. And as one of the people who is speaking out about this, I have spent time in these countries. I ahve travelled the world. I have done mission work, as well as travelled with the military. I have also travelled for business reasons. I have seen the world's poverty, and I ache for them. I think that people who give to these countries as charity are gracious and good. And I think it helps them to make a better life for themselves in the country they live in and take pride in. It helps them to stand up for themselves and make their own world a better place to live when they can't or won't go to another country to change their lives.

my husband feels the same way. that prisoners of heinous crimes should get in return what they did. if they kill someone, they need to die the same way. if they rape someone, they also get the same. eye for an eye.

"Case in point, Texas-based Lockhart Technologies closed its Austin plant and fired some 150 workers who constructed circuit boards because it could relocate those jobs to a Wackenhut-run prison where detainees did the work for minimum wage." and it takes work away from our home town boys and girls too. who have families to support. I think that prisoner work is good, but I am one of those that does not believe it should be paid work. and it should be serious manual labor. digging ditches, picking fruit and planting trees.

while i am sure that it offends your dignity that he was put to death, I am sure that it was done mostly in the name of the family members of the man he killed.