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I would like to post on some more private topics in the guys room but the females cannot seem to keep out of it and enjoy butting in, even on posts specifically labeled as male only. PLEASE lock down the gender specific rooms and posts by gender! As we have a gender option on our profiles this should be fairly easy to do and would probably encourage more participation.

Hey all, I am getting sleeved on 21st and I have a question about the hair loss. I am assuming that facial hair loss will be in the picture I was wondering if any guys that have gone through it with facial hair. I have a nice full beard and am not looking forward to losing it (but C'est la vie). I was wondering how bad other guy's facial hair loss has been and when it started and stopped (and any other info on this subject you think could be helpful). Thanks in advance all!

I am glad you were honest with your surgery team and didn't get it cancelled altogether. I would definitely use this time to see a therapist as well that can help you with the self control issues. Better to work to get it right now than struggle with it after the surgery. Please keep us updated.

If I make enemies of people for simply having a different point of view then those are the type of intolerant people I don't care to have as friends anyway.

Well obviously there are those that agree with both keeping them open and closed, so I guess we will indeed see.

I am a straight guy who fully supports gay rights. But the reason for that is sometimes men and women are uncomfortable speaking about sensitive gender specific topics with the other sex chiming in. Some guys may want to discuss how the surgery may affect things like erectile dysfunction or "man boobs", perhaps some women are uncomfortable discussing their menstrual cycle or changes to their breasts or genital areas. Some people aren't uncomfortable with it and that is fine but others are, and if you are going to have the guys/gals only forum rooms I think it would be better if they were locked down.

What makes you think I know nothing about it? Just because I disagree doesn't mean I know nothing about it. There are a large number of doctors, biologist, psychologists, and other professionals that have studied it that also don't believe that a change of gender is possible and it is a dysmorphia just like other types (mentioned earlier in this thread) and the best treatment is to bring the patients' minds into alignment with reality rather than humoring that delusion. Hell there are even people who have transitioned and then gone back that believe that the current way of handling it is wrong. And just as people who disagreed when the consensus that homosexuality was a mental illness spoke out against the mainstream consensus were told to shut up people who go against the mainstream will always be shouted down and called all manner of names. I won't be silent just because you disagree with me.

I was not comparing them to animals i was using the example of "otherkin" which is also a group of people who think they are something they are not (look it up if you don't believe me on that one). Secondly the APA has always been highly political, which is why in the past when being gay was thought of as deviant it was also labeled as a mental illness. I am not dehumanizing those that think they are transgender, they are just as human as me. I just don't believe you can change your sex/gender.

For people so open minded you all sure can't handle a difference of opinion. I don't hate anybody including anybody who identifies as transgender. Just because I don't buy into all this gender swapping stuff doesn't mean I am a bigot. Just as if you don't buy into the Otherkin stuff and don't believe that a person who identifies as a wolf is one doesn't make you a bigot. But hell if that is enough for you to label me one, so be it, no sweat off my back.

noun noun: gender; plural noun: genders 1. the state of being male or female Not they really aren't. Gender EXPRESSION is different from gender but gender and sex are the same thing. Moreover people identify as things they aren't all the time and we recognize it as delusion. It is not uncommon for people to identify as holy or historical figures (Jesus, Napoleon) People with Coutard's syndrome identify as dead, there are people who are able bodied that identify as disabled and refuse to walk or act blind, to the point they will try to maim themselves to match their perception. Anorexics identify themselves as overweight even when severely underweight. Just because someone identifies themselves as something doesn't mean they are that thing. And given the DEFINITION of delusional someone who thinks they are something they are DEMONSTRABLY not is in fact delusional. Now if someone wants to alter themselves or present a certain way I would say that is their right. But what is not acceptable to me is demanding that others play along or characterizing those who won't as bigots. I am no more a bigot for not believing that then I am for refusing to pretend a human who thinks they are a dog is one. de·lu·sion·al dəˈlo͞oZH(ə)nəl/ adjective adjective: delusional characterized by or holding idiosyncratic beliefs or impressions that are contradicted by reality or rational argument.

Not buying into nonsense isn't bigotry, it is just accepting reality. With the exception of those incredibly rare individuals who are born with a genetic intersex condition everyone is either male or female. You can't change your gender any more than you can change your age, race, or species. If this offends some people so be it but it is not bigotry to refuse to play along with someone's delusions.

https://www.cnn.com/2016/04/13/living/gender-fluid-feat/index.html "For some people, gender is not just about being male or female; in fact, how one identifies can change every day or even every few hours."

I love it, gender fluid is my favorite flavor of this. I identify as a man today and a woman tomorrow, and a demiboy an hour later, and then no gender 3 minutes later but only for 37 seconds!! Fantastic!!

I could also look up otherkin, or headmates, or a ton of other things people claim to be.

LMAO, wow just wow.

I think this is the best thing you could of done, you want to make sure you are ready for this so you can be successful in the long term. I wish you the best of luck no matter how it goes. And if it needs to be put off for a while so you can prepare yourself mentally it is not the end of the world. There is always another day!

And if you have no problem with that then there are all of the other forums, where most people do post their questions when they want that insight. But sometimes people are uncomfortable with discussing intimate details with members of the opposite sex and that is what these spaces are supposed to be for.

AH, well I can understand why they may not want to lock down all posts to only registered users as you probably want to look at the community in general before joining. But in the case single gender rooms they could easily require you to be a registered member AND lock it down by gender of said registered members, which is what I am proposing. They don't have to have all of the sub forums remain open to non-registered users, they can lock down individual rooms.

I was sleeved on 5/21. Highest weight was 315lbs, surgery day weight was 308lbs. Today I am down to 275lbs, so that makes my loss since surgery 33lbs in under 3 weeks.

I'm not sure what you mean by: But it is well within the capabilities of most forum platforms to lock down even viewing a specific sub forum to registered users and those that meet a certain criteria (in this case gender). And I am not saying this is a perfect solution (someone could create a fake account to browse if they wanted to). But the enemy of the good is the perfect, and this would be a good thing to do IMO.

True, but some topics people are more comfortable speaking about with members of their own sex. If the single sex forums are locked down by gender to registered users then it would be easier to broach those subjects.

I can't speak for the women's forum as I don't look at it but as far as the men's forum there are some who don't care. For example these are parts of replies were posted on a fairly sensitive subject for the OP. Obviously some people simply don't care or respect the posters in the gender specific rooms and I think that this discourages people from posting. This is probably a major reason the Guys forum is all but dead. I am sure the opposite happens in the Gals forum and of course would be just as rude but I think locking the forums down is the best solution.

I was lucky, due to my BMI being under 50% I had no pre-op diet. Just the stop eating and drinking midnight before restriction.

I was getting my fluids in 3-4 days post op as well, took about a week for me to get all of my protein in as well. As the Matt said, don't push yourself and if you feel pressure or pain you are going too fast but otherwise sip away.

I very much agree with you!