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Drinking while eating is actually not a healthy thing to do, sleeved or not. Your stomach acid maintains a ph of 1. That's the most acidic eating possible. Similar to that of a car battery. The acidity of your stomach allows food to be quickly broken down before passing into the small intestine for absorption. When you drink liquids, you are diluting the acid in your stomach. Anything you eat during that time will take longer to break down, disrupting digestion. Many of us were used to guzzling Water or wine with meals because it stretched the elasticity of the stomach and allowed us to get more food in at one sitting. That's basically the exact opposite of what we want to be doing.

I guess the "in" is silent (and invisible) before sane. Th I g got sort of bumpy so century I posted that but overall I still stand by it. I'm going to eat some cream pie, it's not on my official plan but after I put the crust in the blender it will be pureed. A slice should be about 3 oz? I don't have a scale or a measuring cup... Alright, I'll bite.... Is this a joke? I would say that if someone wants to fill up on pie, that's up to them and they know their plan. But if you're puréeing said pie, that means you are basically brand new. If it's a joke, disregard. If it's not a joke, I'm super curious about where pie fits into a nutritious eating plan immediately after having a surgery for obesity?

For me, I have to dial back my excitement until the event in question is about to happen. I build up too many expectations and literally kill the fun by ODing on excitement otherwise. I had to ask my mother in law to stop talking and asking about our wedding months and months before the date, because I was starting to dread the topic every time it came up. In order to function in my life, I must focus on putting one step in front of the other and cross bridges when I arrive to them.

I have 2 friends who suffered Bell's Palsy, one as a child and one as a teenager. Both recovered 99%. The teen, a female type 2 diabetic at just 16, was morbidly obese and about 19 when it happened. My other friend, a male, was quite a bit younger and metabolically healthy. It's a lot more common than you probably believed until this morning. Fingers crossed that you have a speedy recovery.

I started at BMI 36. I lost 14 lbs in the 14 days of preop (not just liquids, but shakes and salads) Last weigh in (last week) I was down 33 lbs in 29 days, including preop.

I'm not him, but if I were him and this issue came up after talking to someone for a few weeks, I'd be out the door. My wife and I both dated other people while we were still seeing each other. We dated for about 7 months before getting serious, and we both dated and slept with other people during that time. Flash forward several years, and she still keeps in touch with people she dated before me. We've gone to dinner to people with people she slept with during that time. My ex slept on our couch for 6 months when her life imploded last year. This is adult life. I'm not going to insist she cut out people from her past, because it doesnt make me feel insecure to interact with people she used to date. She didn't get squirrely and weird when we hung out with my ex. She knows I am where I want to be, and that's with her.

I didn't do any food funerals. Junk food hasn't been my friend, in fact it's been my nemesis. My poor choices in relation to this food have caused me a great deal of strife, so why would I Celebrate it? I don't know what my "last supper" of bad food was. I made an effort, once my surgery was booked back in July, to clean up my eating habits. I'm not counting on the surgery to fix my mental issues around food. Pigging out on junk food and fast food is disordered eating - it provides virtually no nutritional value, yet we continue to choose junk food over nutritious choices.

That's really brutal, must be tough to be going through! I have totally lost the sensation of hunger at 3 weeks post op, but I have no problem getting lots of Water in. It's possible you have developed a stricture in your sleeve. I would recommend contacting your surgical team post haste, just in case. Maybe it's a normal stepping stone on the way, but you'd be better off knowing for sure.

It's like having a blindfold removed, isn't it? All you have to do is be a victim, and suddenly, you don't have to take responsibility for ANYTHING! Bad breath? You partner cooked with garlic, and you HAD to eat it! Late for work? Your alarm didn't go off, which has NOTHING to do with you not turning it on! Ate a Big Mac 3 days post op? You COULDN'T STOP YOURSELF...you had an out of body experience! I get it now! On a side note, I just don't understand the physiology of the Big Mac example. I am into my 3rd week preop and I haven't eaten anything for 3 days now. I was feeling pretty hungry for a few days after surgery, but that monkey went south and hasn't come back since. I'm not going to force myself to eat when I don't feel hungry, but just the thought of noshing down a hamburger (or anything) right now is sickening.

I wouldn't put so much weight on how she might feel about it. How do you feel about your WLS? Are you proud of yourself? Are you ashamed that it came down to surgery to help salvage your health? If you are proud of where you are, and stand by your decision there's no reason not to share Tunis with someone you are developing feelings for. It'll most likely come up eventually at a dinner party, where you are left explaining all the empty space left on your plate. If you feel ashamed or embarrassed, that will most likely eminate through your conversation. I know I wouldn't want a potential romantic partner to feel sorry for me, like I had undergone this procedure but was so unhappy about it or not confident in my decision. I think it's up to the person, and how confident they feel about their WLS to decide who/when to share it with.

It depends on the person. I have dated tall and short women, some very slim and petite, some much curvier and while not obese, certainly textbook overweight. What matters to me is how a person feels about themselves. They are some simply stunning women who are overweight. Their self confidence makes them radiant and attractive to others. I'm married, so I don't plan on dating anyone else but there are certain people I meet and I think "I just have to get to know this person." Similarly, people who lack self confidence are too challenging for me to be around. People whose only opinion of themselves is constructed by others. People who can't be seen being silly or having fun because it's not cool to others. Who can't walk past a window pane without admiring themselves in it. People who constantly criticize themselves in front of others in an attempt to elicit sympathetic or vindicating responses from others. I love confident and down to earth people. THAT is what attracts me to others.

@@ShelterDog64 Oh my word, it makes perfect sense now. See, I thought it was because I try to abide traffic laws (my driver's license is my means to generate income, after all) but it's actually because my car is black! I feel like I was just granted diplomatic immunity! (a power I solemnly swear to only exercise with the utmost dignity and reservedness, in case anyone is reading this who wants to promote me to ambassador)

This is as good an example as any of a brain bending logical fallacy. You are deploying a textbook False Dichotomy with your "us vs then" language here. We are not wearing jerseys. There are not 2 teams on BP, the offended and the offenders. Everyone on this site comes from diverse backgrounds and we all share somewhat different opinions on all matters, diet or otherwise. You should get it out of your head that there is a surreptitious campaign going on, where multitudes of people conspire against you. I mean his in the nicest way possible, but I don't think you're really important enough for people to run a covert smear campaign against. There's no media black ops going on here, just people who disagree with you. Which brings me to your ad hominem attacks: name calling and accusations don't bolster your argument. In fact, it's most often used as a tactic by people who have no valid argument. Your strawman: you claim that you're simply defending your opinion and called bad and stupid by soapboxers. That you are under attack by these uncouth bullies. The problem? You can't seem to come up with any instances where someone from "the other" group called you names. You created that argument and then struck that argument down yourself. Circular logic at its best.

Thanks for the shoutout, @LipstickLady. I see the conversation you artfully re-created happening almost every day here. I do wonder if it's a statement about our society in general that any and all criticism is construed as a knife-in-the-back, all out call to arms. We all make mistakes, (diet related or otherwise) and we will surely continue to do so as long as we continue to breathe. It's a part of life, there's always something we could have done better. How did these kinds of people cope with getting a B- in school? A less than perfect review at their employment? A speeding or parking ticket?

Nailed it!

Yes please!! If I could figure out how to mess with fonts and colours on here, I would totally break out my trusty red pen and scribble "see me after class!" On some of those posts!! Let's devise a scoring matrix for this!

I sense a challenge. In one utterly banal reply, I shall employ all 5 9; the above listed fallacies! "OMG, how stupid can you be? (Ad hominem) EVERYONE knows pork chops are only okay 6 days post op (ad populum). You can just eat whatever you want (straw man), ask any vet here and they'll tell you the same (appeal to authors). You must have a death wish!" (False dichotomy)

(This post died in 2014, and it's probably for the better.) Besides, it's not just liberals that hate Sarah Palin so the whole premise is false.

The vagus nerve is stimulated when you are getting hiccups. Depending on how long you are getting hiccups for, this may be worth discussing with your aftercare team. There is a small, but very real, chance of damaging the vagus nerve during the gastric sleeve procedure. I have had hiccups only twice since surgery. The first was at about 5 days post op and I wanted to cry, it was so painful. The second time was last night, and I was so pleased it didn't hurt at all.

I similarly got grossed out by Protein shakes after surgery. Pre surgery on thought they tasted like chololate milk, now I find they remind me of drinking from a mud puddle. I had surgery Oct 27, and started introducing soft foods. So far, in 4 days. I managed to eat 1 can of kippered herring (smoked and salted fish) and it took about 4 hours. I felt full, like Christmas dinner I need to lay down full, so I haven't ventured down that path again. I'm sticking with puréed foods and some yummy Soups I made for full liquids, since it seems to agree with me better for now.

I don't have any regrets, not yet at least. I feel like I researched this to death before I went ahead. I had reasonable expectations for myself, and I was confident that I knew what I was getting myself into. I'm not trying to imply that you didn't do those things as well, but there is a surprisingly high number of people on this forum who don't seem to understand exactly what they've signed up for.

You still have to take supplements with VSG. 90% of gastrectomy patients will develop deficiencies without proper vitamin/mineral supplements. In general, a good Multivitamin, extra Vitamin D, calcium, Iron and sublingual or injectable B12 (we can no longer absorb B12 after VSG). You should be getting bloodwork done at least annually and adjust your vitamin regimen accordingly. The most prevalent vitamin deficiency I've seen in the scientific literature is Vitamin D. Somewhere in the order of 80% of patients are vitamin D deficient following surgery. Vitamin D deficiency is also common in populations who haven't had any kind of bariatric surgery, so it's not totally clear what percentage of deficiency can be attributed directly to the procedure. As far as vitamin B deficiency, in order to absorb vitamin b complex, you must have Intrinsic Factor, which is produced in the stomach. VSG removes some of the ability to produce IF and thus absorb some b vitamin, but not all. RNY bypasses totally the part of the stomach that creates IF, hence the absolute necessity to supplement. Studies show that typically less than 20% of VSG patients will develop vitamin B deficiency. Iron and folate deficiency present in relatively small numbers as well, compared to RNY. Metformin appears to aggravate vitamin B deficiency. The key is getting blood work, as there's no one size fits all solution. I liked my odds better with the VSG, and i already take a pretty broad range of supplements. I am currently taking b12 injections because I'm not able to introduce a wider range of meats back into my diet for a few more weeks.

I just reintroduced meat yesterday, albeit puréed meat. I puréed a pound of ground beef and a pound of bacon and made a weird chili Soup that is scratching my itch for spicy (loaded it with cayenne). It's so glorious to be eating meat again, even though I'm not getting any texture whatsoever. I can eat 5 teaspoons max before feeling like I just ate Christmas dinner, which is down from about a cup of puréed vegetable based Soups I made for full liquids. I'm into week 3 now, and braced for the legendary stall that is about to set in. If I lose - great! If not, the only sweating I'll be doing is from the 5 alarm chili!

It's normal after being on an IV to retain fluids. Its purpose is to keep you hydrated while you can't drink. The pain meds are likely wearing off and hence you are feeling more pain now. The surgeon has to cut through yhenabdominal wall to do the procedure, so it's understandable that there will be pain while the muscles heal up. That's why it's important not to lift and twist while you are in recovery. The tool they use to size the sleeve is very precise, and it's unlikely the surgeon decided to use a bigger one. It's more likely that the pain medication is masking feeling in your stomache and making it seem as though it holds more than younexpected.

I felt hungry for about a week after surgery, but that went away. I didn't have heartburn going into the surgery, and other than some warmth in my chest I haven't felt any since. Many people are given a PPI to take for a few months after surgery, but after reading that PPIs can cause heartburn in people that never had it before, I have opted to put off taking one unless symptoms arise. My surgeon didn't prescribe a PPI, although we were given the option to purchase one afterwards. I am now on smooth solids and purées, and while i haven't felt huger for weeks, I can get about a half cup into me at a time. I'm taking it slow, because I've read many posts from people who push it and end up vomiting. I haven't yet, and hope to keep it that way.