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Thanks sillykitty. I was left feeling quite squashed and anxious yesterday. It's hard to know when the inner voice is denial justification and when it's balanced rational thought. I'm capable of both!! The Glenn Livingston book is useful. It's basis is a set of food rules and I'm trying to figure out what mine need to be. If everytime I attempted two bites of pudding I ate more, pudding would go on my never list I guess. When does the thin end of the wedge of cake turn into the 'entire confection!'? When I get the answer I'll learn and move. Too be fair ATM looking at photos I may be a little on the thin side... So I have a small buffer zone. But I still don't want to gain. I'm as skinny as I was in my teens and I love the freedom it gives me. It was only in my thirties that I seriously gained and it was huge amounts each time I stopped smoking. Then I got stuck in yoyo mood, then gave up. The other thing is when you're thin you discover you still have problems. You just get to deal with them as a slim healthy person - intrinsically you're the same underneath and whatever psychological undertow dragged you into obesity is still there. It manifests differently maybe but it still needs to be dealt withand that's the work I do in therapy. Wishing everyone luck and spirit on their journey: theyll all be different but we all have the same intended destination - health, happiness. Longevity!

So sorry you feel like that and a little puzzled. I've read a lot of vets stories too and am working on adding high protein stuff and factoring in treats. I watch the scales carefully, had baked fish n veg for supper and am very aware of my food issues. Also aware that they are beginning to make themselves felt again and sharing because it helps and it's all very new. Flaunting and kerosene... As a recovering alcoholic those are hard things to hear... Maybe I'm floating in that African river again. I'm going to email my dietician again who disappeared at around two months post op - I've only had one meeting with her so I'm not sure what I should be doing. I work with someone who's two years post sleeve. She drinks wine, doesn't get her protein in and regularly eats cake but is doing ok. I worry watching her so I know what you're getting at. I've got the flu just now. Feeling v emotional and struggling to hear the critism. I'm doing my best. It's been a long hard journey, there's other life stuff happening and I'm looking to do this the best I can. And not sure what's so terrible at looking for high protein low carb stuff I can eat safely in small portions... My sundae thing had 150 cals and 6.5g protein. Sugars may be a bit high but it seems to me it was an effort at combining nutrition and taste... So I'm hearing your response and some anger there and feel a little hurt. This forum had felt like a safe place and now I'm feeling that I ought not share my experience. Would be pleased to hear advice from others at a similar place to me... Dec 16 bypass, 230 hw 210 SW 118 CW. 5'4". We're all here because we want to win it and nothings scares me more than regain.

Thanks for this. I’m thinking hard about food rules but want to allow some old style treats... made a ‘sundae today in a half cup sized glass with three quarters vanilla halo top, 1 gluten free oat fruit biscuit crumbled and stuck on top and about five of these tiny nuggets made out of dates n nuts. Tasted lush and stomach coped fine. Haven’t done the macros but will look at what it was when I log it. Bought flax seeds almonds coconut flour and intend to make some high protein treats... decided one of my never rules will be never eat staffroom coffe table free food. It costs too much. Really thankful for everyone’s support - feel like I am tip toeing through a mine field but so far all limbs intact as people shout ‘left a bit’ ‘right a bit’!!!

Buyer's remorse! I had it. Was so miserable and uncomfortable with gas pains and couldn't sleep on my tummy. And then slowly, it got better. BMI now 19, I weigh 118lbs, and leap about like a young thing. Six months after surgery I jumped off a stile during a walk and I couldn't have been happier if I'd flown over it!!! A small leap but oh heck I'd have broken things at 230lbs!!! Keep going - one bite at a time 😀

It certainly does. I had it the second time at eight months out after eating a teaspoon of maple syrup with a small pancake. It may be a bit like childbirth though (not that I've done that) where you forget the pain and convince yourself the pleasure is an acceptable swap for the pain. True only for babies. I've probably only dumped five or six times in total in 16 months. I'm hoping I've got the message now!!! And yes it sucks the big sucky macsuckville with sucky cherries on the sucky top!!!

And here’s a funny coda to yesterday’s chats: watched that drs video about Caloratio app, reread Glenn Livingston book about not binging. Great ideas about food rules - always, never and conditional- define with regard to your personal goals and needs and adhere to them, plus stuff about how to deal with the demons that make you want to break your own rules! This morning I think hmmm weetabix is on post op diet, banana good fruit with potassium... do it! The only weetabix in the house is a pack I got from a new brand sampling thing I used to get - additions with apple raisin and cinnamon. VERY HEALTHY I think. Two biscuits one small banana half cup of milk. Ate slowly. Then I DUMPED big time dumped. Cramps, sweats, hypo, nausea!!! Funnily enough I had a shop porridge mix in week three after surgery with apple cinnamon an raisin which gave me my first ever dump! Might need to plan my diet rules carefully. No processed apple n cinnamon products! Live and learn but feeling very positive about remembering old tools and picking up some new ones!

For some it doesn’t happen much, for some it continues long term but most of us have a year to 18 month window where wrong choices really hurt. I saw it like a pair of crutches... and of course the first thing I did when they’d gone was fall over!!!

Fashaw! And hear what you say about defensive [emoji79][emoji79]

This book 🤠

Oh and as a recovering alcoholic for 90% of my adult life 28/ 32 years. One four year relapse six years ago, I know all bout the denial and justification. And in I’m ready to hear people say listen to yourself. I just much prefer when the do it with some kindness as you have done. Enough people in life who’ll tell me what a hames I’ve made of it and how defective I am as a human being. It’s never made me anything but angry and more self self destructive.. and tough love generally requires a preexisting relationship and trust. But anyway, thank you, you’ve got me thinking about it in a positive way [emoji41]

Thank you.im picking up on the lack of judgment and of course you’re right. I have to reset... for 16months I’ve been making good choices because it was too unpleasant when I didn’t. Now I have to make good choices because I want to be healthy. I didn’t get much dietician support with my package once the early days were over. I’m interested to hear how other people keep the demon in the cookie box. Actually reminds me of a fab book I have on kindle about starving our inner pig! Hmmm maybe I should read it!!!

Well that at least was a kind choice. None of us are Vulcans and none of us got fat because we were psychologically healthy. I’m doing my best.

Thanks for this. The buffet was made on site at school and the chicken appeared to be actual chunks of chicken breast with peppers. But I hear what your saying. I'm eating tinned salmon, a little cheese and oatcakes for lunch. Only a couple of tablespoons of the salmon and about 20g of cheese. Been having problems with abdominal pain and it's hard to find things that don't make me feel a little nauseous...

And yes of course it does - see message below but the ‘grow the eff up’ feels shaming. I’m being grown up asking for advice and other people’s experience strength and hope. That comment triggered all sorts of unpleasant ****. I am grown up enough to recognise that and put the stuff to bed, but please be aware some people aren’t aware of their triggers and if there’s a a way to say something without denigrating or judging it’s generally more productive. May your rainbow [emoji304] shine [emoji3]

Thank you. Matty Matt. It’s psychology with me too. And clearly I’m scared rainbow or I wouldn’t be asking for advice. Just want to hear how people successfully maintain. Just filled in my food diary. What I’d also be interested to hear is how people find healthy ways of creating a wider diet. I’ve eaten little actual junk - a couple of squares of 80% choc is an infrequent treat but we had a buffet at work yesterday and i made fairly healthy savoury choices... chicken skewers, scotch egg slivers but then found my self eating three brownie bites and three small cookies. And that was scary because the control disappeared in a way it doesn’t wit dark choc. I’ve thrown out some stuff I had at home: low-fat rice pudding etc but I have some other stuff I’m not sure of - blueberry and vanilla rice Cakes, Germán rye bread - the dark brown stuff..

Thanks - good advice

Not exercising how I'd like to - been ill lately but will get back to it. I like the idea of a regular treat. Really as always it's a head game I suppose. Thanks for your response 😁

I’ve had four days of severe pain, two hospital visits and pretty much nothing to eat since Thursday. Thought it was indigestion at first - awful wind and bloating. Now taking Movicol - just had fourth dose (as x-ray showed constipation) and still no movement. Eating causes serious pain so I’ve eaten some peppermint on nurse advice, drinking mint tea and that’s it. What I’d like to know... how do I reset once bowels have moved? I’m terrified to eat. Had a little non dairy milk yesterday (ancient grains) and spent an hour rocking in pain afterward. I mean really? Poo? This much pain? Ambulance staff and doctors did say though that post gastric b should always get abdominal pain checked out so less guilty about accessing overloaded nhs 🤠

Mine went eventually- now using psyllium husks but it was horrid while it lasted. Hope you feel better soon kennyranking

I’ve started alforex. Had one movement I’m told probably not overflow. Surgeon wants me to stay on liquids til Monday, two Movicol at night, and soft foods Monday. He’s still querying bowel hernia but I’m more comfortable than I was. And a well timed snow day means I don’t have to try work til Monday [emoji41] who’d have thunk constipation could have stunk so much! In every possible way!!

Thanks. Surgeons said Movicol still, liquid diet 24/48 hours n see what happens. Pain not so bad now, sucking peppermints for the gas, but still just overflow. Thanks for the reply. Worst thing about this sort of ill is no one wants to hear about it!!! Five year olds would giggle at most of the symptoms though!!!

Well I wish you luck. I'm still un-pooed. Apart from some very nasty overflow. I ate something earlier and it was like the alien film for a while watching this lump of gas moving through! Friend used to say to me 'this too shall pass" quickly please I'd say for us both!!!

Thanks guys. Surgery was December 16. Weight loss all finished since sept. Had constipation before but never at this level. Taking miracol. Buscopl. Tried eating some prunes and tangerine earlier but still getting overflow rather than losing the backlog. Fourth day in no energy to do much more than doze! I've ordered psyllium powder (surgeon's recommendation) and alforex. Just want normal back - was working out regularly and really enjoying life in the slim zone!

I’m 54. Had bypass dec 16, down 100 lbs been maintaining since September. Generally all good bar current patch with constipation but will learn the lessons and move on. Good to luck to all my fellow fifty plusers!

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