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They voted on gay marriage 8 years ago and it was voted against, but four judges overruled it. Public opinion has changed alot since then and now it is about 50/50. 8 years ago it was not. I really don't mind the voting. It's the changing of the constitution that really gets me, because the reason it was overturned was "baning" marriage for anyone was found unconstitutional according to california's constitution...so now they want to change the constitution. Honestly, for my interest. I would like a federal ban on federal bans against anyone getting married. But, since I don't want federal bans against anyone getting married I guess the government should GTFO of the marriage business or let it be determined by the state. The thing is most of the money and even the movement where started by out of state interest groups. They focused on california because of the overturning so they want to scream oppression. Straight, white, people screaming about oppression. My favorite.

I haven't seen the banners but... Proposition 8 is something that a these mormons (that don't live in california) somehow sneaked on the presidential ballet to reverse the decision to allow Gay marriage in california. The thing is they are not just reversing the decision, they are changing the constitution of california to define marriage as being only between a man and a woman. They were basically ignored at first so it grew rapidly because noone believed it would fly in CA. Well they got Massive Massive donations from churches and business out of state and the movement spread. I do mean massive amounts of money. They are using deceiving misleading tactics, and commercial ads. Signs that just say things such as Proposition 8 = Free Speech Protect your family vote yes on 8 Or the ones that do admit that it is about gay marriage insist that if gay marriage is allowed it will be taught in school. That churches who refuse to marry a gay couple will lose be sued or lose government funding, again, not true. It's really sad. I have been watching it with horror. It is such a huge step backwards led by people who don't even live in the state.

A lot of conspiracy minded people would not, I imagine. I like the idea too. Obviously what we have been doing doesn't work that great.

I kind of don't hate McCain. I think he would be a much much better president than our previous one, at least. He's still not getting my vote, but... I liked him better five years ago. What do you not like about him? Just curious.

I think what she said was spewing hate...but she wasn't talking about one specific person and her post is still up. Susan isn't the only moderator.

Dancing for tapshoes :thumbup: :smile2:

Buy yourself something nice honey. You deserve it.

This is me hugging you (((susan))) Beth. I feel very strongly about this issue, obviously. Having so much personal experience of the pain that even seemingly non malicous comments that can be made. I think I just wanted people to know that they do hurt people. What she said offended me, but I'm used to it...I did get through my coming out. It is the people who live their whole lives miserable because they can't stand who they are because of the things they have been taught, and the boy who kills himself because he can't deal with the fact that he is gay when his church teaches him he is evil and will burn in hell, I get upset because of the drug and alcohol use in the gay community- especially in the south- because they are taught to hate themselves. That God hates them. I know that I came across harsh, but you can't be nice about things like that. Or at least I can't about this particular issue. It's too dear to me.

That is a really hard situation to be in JWRN. I am sure he is so thankful for you being there for him when he needed you. I know how difficult that situation can be, for you, your brother, and your parents. I'm glad you all made it through. Some people never really recover. Have you ever read "Prayers for Bobby" ? It's heart breaking...but for me, it was life changing.

I don't follow you. Not being rude, Just not seeing why he would burn his bible. I've never burned a bible either. I own one. Doesn't mean I believe everything in it, but I think that might be another discussion.

I am very familar with the verses. The bible has many such things in it that make no sense. I don't think anyone has done as much research in this subject as someone who grew up southern baptist, in louisiana, from a very conservative family, and who also happens to be gay. I have read the bible many times over and found a lot of things not to do, that are common today. I won't take anyone down that road, it was mine. But I did struggle, a lot. I shouldn't have. It was society I was struggling against. I am who I am. I am God's child. I am comfortable with that. now. But hearing things like the comments she made while I was growing up is what made life so hard coming into terms with myself. I don't wish that on anyone, and I will stop it from happening to all the younger people that are like me.

She didn't direct them at one person, she made a offensive (very very very offensive) statement towards many people. It was a bigoted statement, and I called it out. I didn't insult her intelligence. You can be smart and ignorant. I have a right to stand up for myself. I have to stand up to the discrimination so that people know that those outdated, wrong ideas are hurting people. Not just the gays that some people are so against, but they are spreading the ignorance and hatred and that needs to be stopped. How would you feel if your brother read those statements? How would you feel if someone called your brother an abomination. I hope you wouldn't condon that. I am sure you woudn't. I was raised southern baptist by a very conservative family. Background is a factor, but not an excuse, nor is it a reason to deny someone their rights. This hate doesn't need to be taught or spread.

She called me an abomination. This is not about right or left. This is about treating people with basic human dignity. What she said was ignorant. Is she ignorant, I don't know her so I can't say, but that comment was pure bigotry and/or ignorance.

Thank you so much LJM

FURTHER MORE!!! I did not "PICK" to be who I am. I do not choose anything but to accept myself and love myself and do no harm to others. I treat people fairly, I donate to charities, I gave up my time and my little bit of money to the shelters during both Katrina and Gustav. I care deeply for everyone around me. I haven't failed at anything in life. I have a wonderful family, an amazing, intelligent partner, I am an English Major (obviously I take more time with my grammer and spelling at school), I paint, I sing. I am proud of who I am and what I have accomplished in life. Infact I only have two problems....1. Weight, and 2. Prejudice, ignorant people I'm taking care of one now, and the other will have to take care of themselves.

I think anyone who believes the crap that you just typed is a bigot. Or maybe just uneducated, if I felt like being nice. Whether I agree or disagree with abortion, I have great respect for anti choice people. I understand that in your minds, you are protecting someone. I have made it very clear that while I may not agree with making abortion illegal, I respect beliefs. Gadgetlady especially really believes what she is saying and I think it comes from a good place inside her heart. It's the homosexual comment that makes you look like a fool. You take the two vague bible verses on homosexuality from a book that has been corrupted so many human hands that it is almost unrecognizable and use it to spread your hate on society. That statement you have made shows your true colors. I can ignore this crap, usually. I do often, because I live in a country where someone is allowed to hate. I am allowed to love (not get married though, because that would corrupt marriage right? Like straight people that have been married twelve times keep it sacred? OR Las Vegas drive through weddings. No it's the gays that will destroy marriage)...but not right now when Proposition hate or 8 if you will is corrupting this important election. Get off my back, our backs, and mind your own business. Tell me how me having sex, me getting married is hurting you. Look, I won't even accidently get pregnant so that you can taunt me if I couldn't take care of the baby and call me a "Murderer" and such. I am the ultimate safe sex. I know who I am, and I am not a abomination. I know my own relationship with God and I am happy and content. I wish people like the ones who take the time to call others an abomination and the ones that start hate filled things like proposition 8 would maybe work on being a little happier too, so they could stop trying to spread their misery on people who aren't hurting them by living there life the way God made them. And Keep your personal beliefs off and out of my body, thank you very much.

I had icecream yesterday. Just one serving and I didn't want anymore afterwards...but then. I didn't feel too bad. I didn't really feel guilty. It was like a treat and then I put the rest up.

Well I got a few trick or treaters, I dressed up. Then we left and went to a bar and had two drinks (Me and my little sister did, Marcie drove) then we went home and watched scary movies til we passed out. Saturday we went walking and made a great salad. Sunday we went walking around the board walk and ate sushi. I'm obsessed with sushi now. I also spent too much money this weekend. I like to shop too much.

I know that my slow weight loss is partly my fault I know I am 50 lbs slimmer that last year I know that I need to exercise more I know that I love my friends on this forum I know that sometimes I could make better choices I know that I have made great progress at a healthy rate I know that I still have my weak moments I know that I have support I know I need to support myself more I know that I should check this website everyday I know that I know that I know I can do better I know that I CANNOT drink when I eat it ruins the results I know that Cokes are a thing of the past and should stay there I know that sometimes I sabotage my own results I know that I fear success I know that I can do it I just hope I will do it.

Last night I gave into something I haven't for a long time, I am a big bread addict. Almost a scary bread addict, which is why I became so focused on icecream afterwards, to get all that sugar that bread turns into in my belly. We don't buy white bread because of that. And I had been doing great. But the other two people in my household miss it pretty badly. My gf had a really bad day so I bought a loaf of white bread to make her this thing with bread and egg she likes for breakfast. Last night I got up just to take the bread with a glass of milk to wash it down. It was a fight to learn not to eat while I was drinking, and I've gotten so much better...but last night it was almost like having a relapse. I know that this sounds stupid, but I was really really addicted to bread my whole life. Seriously. Thats why I thought the band would work for me because you can't have bread, my biggest problem...unfortunately there is ways to get it down anyway. I forgive myself, but that is the LAST time white bread can be brought in the house. It's just too much temptation for a true bread addict. Or carb addict.

I'm not reading that crap anymore. It's so one sided. Give me something unbaised and I might go further than the first paragraph. That is extreme left or extreme right. I'm tired of it. McCain isn't Satan, Obama isn't the Devil. I enjoy reading others opinions, especially if I can learn something. I haven't been involved in Politics for that long, and I do think I have a lot to learn, but I won't read propaganda anymore. (For both canidates) I'm not stupid, or anything else, I just don't have the energy or the time to try to prove someone wrong, or even to show another side of an argument, to someone that has such strong, deep deep deep beliefs and loud opinions, like Gadgetlady. Not that there is anything wrong with that, but it makes it hard to debate someone, or learn anything from someone like that. I have too much stuff to do and not enough will or patience to go forcing someone to change their beliefs, It is a full time job with not a lot of actual productive results. Can we PLEASE vote now? *counting down the days*

Today is weigh day for me and no change. Not up or down, but I'm ok with that. I had a bad bad weekend. Not a preband weekend, but not a good bander weekend. Lets see if I can step it up this week. Thankfully I am not a big fan of candy so Halloween shouldn't be too big of a problem...unless I drink booze.

Welcome back, you look fantastic! Glad you came to visit again

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay! I'm so glad it finally happened for you Ms.tapshoes!!!!!!

I say go for it, but test results should be posted in the "office".