TommyO

I actually had a disagreement at the gym one day with another member. He refused to leave the machine between sets so I told him that the proper etiquete was to let others use the piece of equipment between sets. He got quite agitated because he felt that changing his routine would have a negative impact on his workout. I explained that if he did not move away from the piece of equipment, so I could do my set I would have a negative impact on his nose. That worked :frown: :frown: :eek:

Laurend I'm curious, I try to be direct and honest and you called me on it. When I explained why I felt the way I did to you in a direct and honest fashion you became upset. So I acted in fashion similar to what you describe as your prefered comunication style and yet you slammed the door in my face. Just currious!!!

I have decided to start this thread and write this post because I have been feeling strongly about a couple of things and I feel a need to let it out. First let me start by saying that I have been spending less time on LBT lately not because I am disapointed with the direction it is going but rather because as a male I find it to be dominated by the fairer sex and this leads me to my first issue. I am frustrated with the rules of engangement here at LBT, I think they are Bul***it. The rules here are rules that only females could come up with and here is what I mean. It's okay to go on and on about a person as long as you preface your remarks with statements like "There is a person on LBT who I really like who has been attacked by others who I don't want to name" Everybody knows who the people are that are being discussed but as long as you don't say their names it's fine. This reminds of my early teen years when the girls in my class would play that game the sole purpose was to define who could be freinds with who. I have no problem if someone thinks I'm an ass and tells me so. It's simple if I think your an ass***le then I will say "I think your an Ass**le" you can say back go F**k yourself your the ass**le. Instead I read " This person is a really really great person who just wants peace on earth and these evil people (I won't say their names because I am a good person too just like you know who) are being terrible in how they attack her every word. I say bull**it, If you have something to say about someone have the guts to say it and the courage to name names. The next issue I want to rant about is the one I am most passionatte about. There has been a lot of discussion about people making other people feel bad about their weight loss. As people who have decided to use the band as a weight loss tool we have leveled the playing field for the first time. This has made it possible for us for the first time to win our long battles with obesity. This does not however negate years and years of battling obesity and the scars that come with those battles. In my previouse life I was always in one of three states and these were 1. Losing weight 2. Gaining back weight 3. Obese ashamed that I had gained all the weight and more back and waiting for the next scheme to make me skinny again but had given up for now. Depending on what state I was in my reaction to the weight loss of others was drastically impacted. When I was losing I was eager to hear and share in the weight loss advice of others. When I was in state 2 I was happy for those individuals who were in state 1 but sometimes I just wanted to tell them to shut up, I was afraid to because that was the first sign that I had moved to state 3 and was not going back to state 1. State 3 meant that I knew that everyone who was losing weight was a fool to believe that they wouldn't eventualy gain all their weight back and more. My only hope is that they would soon shut the F**k up and realize that they were doomed for failure. The band has leveled the playing field but it hasn't removed those old biasis for any of us. What this means is when someone starts to give advice about weight loss often our first response is to want to say oh shut the f**k up soon you will be fat again. Our ability to suceed has been greatly increased but our moods still, at times, make us feel guilt when we hear about the sucess of others. (deep breath) so here is my point, there have been a number of threads from a number of people about other members of LBT not being completely supportive of the wins of others. My point is, it's okay, we should understand better than anyone what motivates this behavior. Why should it matter any way, I couldn't give a flying F**k if anyone disaproves of my weight loss. I am a few days away from my 2 year bandiversary and I have lost just over 120 pounds. I work out 5 days a week and I eat too fuc**ng much ice cream. But I am happy and certain that I will lose another 30-40 pounds by this time next year. If I only lose 20 no big deal I will lose the rest the next year. If anyone disagrees go F**k yourself!!! Merry Christmas Mother F**kers :)

With that it's time to take my leave. I hope everyone has a great Christmas and I look forward to chating again sometime in 2008. TommyO

Actually yes, just not to each other.

Who said I was worried about your unfills? There you go again

Lets review You said --Sometimes the obvious does not need to be spelled out. I respond --Sometimes people like to hide behind inference. You said -- I'm not sure I understand your latest whining, honestly I don't. I respond -- Sorry not whining you are adding emotions to my content that is inacurate You said -- You have done the very same thing you complain about others doing. I respond -- No I have not You said -- So what's the problem? What is the big issue that has you wrapped so tight? I respond -- First, once again nothing has me wrapped so tight, there you go with assigning of emotions again. Second, you should read my posts, I think if you were to read my posts you would not need to ask what I am talking about. You said -- This issue is obviously bothering you a great deal, it shows in your temper and your rants. I respond -- Wrong again as I have said before I am having fun so please don't infer what my emotions are. You Said -- You are insulting me left and right so obviously, it bothers you. I respond -- "It" is not bothering me "You" are bothering me You said -- If you know who someone is talking about, why is it so important for you that people spell it out. I respond -- Because I loath cowardice You said -- You don't, why should others do what you are not willing to do? I respond -- Oh contrare I think you should re-read my posts once again. You said -- Why must others follow your rules you are not willing to follow? I respond -- this from the person who has made so many posts about how people write or how she loaths stupid people who don't follow her rules, or how newbies ask such dumb questions, etc. etc. You said -- It seems to me that each time you come here you tend to post in spurts and you are battling someone. There is always a battle. I respond -- I do tend to come and go but you are incorrect in the rest of your premise. You said -- I'm just curious as to why that is. Obviously it will always be someone else's fault, but I was just wondering why you are always in the middle of a battle with someone. Even those that don't even know you, such as me. I respond -- First I don't really care what you are curious about, second I assign balme to no one, third I was wondering the very same thing about you. (See locked thread "Walls of Text") I hope that answers your questions, now I have one for you. Could you explain to me the significant difference between someone doing their own fills vs. someone doing their own unfills. I'm just curious why anyone would be so up in arms about someone else suggesting they did their own fills when what they had actually done is there own unfill. To me they seem to be incredible similar tasks. I have had both done by my doctor and I can not for the life of me see a significant difference.

Wheetsin, we spend our entire lives looking for our parents approval and when we don't get what we want it stings. The only way to get through this is for you to forgive your parents, especially your Mother. I think that sometime we hate most those traits in our parents that may be the things that remind us of ourselves. You parents eating habits remind you of who you think you are still deep down inside. I feel strongly that if I were to have my band removed that I would gain my weight back. So deep down inside I still carry self resentment towards myself. I continually need to forgive myself for still being that fat guy who was/is able to weigh 420 pounds. As long as I believed that the band was the easy way out I had a hard time granting myself forgiveness. I now know that the band is not the easy way, it is a tool that gives me a chance to get healthy. Had I not been banded I would likely be dead by now so I have realized that what I have done is the right thing to do. Not only for me but also for my wife and kids, they need me to be here. When I realize this I am able to forgive myself and actually pat myself on the back. I no longer care about how people judge my decision to get banded because I am comfortable with my decision to get banded. I think you need to forgive your Mother and your Father but first you must forgive yourself. I also no longer judge people based on how they eat because I have forgiven myself. I have great parents whom I love very much but every child has some issue with their parents no matter how small. My Dad has many faults but he never waivered in his support of me throughout my life. There were things he did as a parent that I thought were wrong and I resented him for it. One day when I was considering how he was not always a perfect Dad it dawned on me that I was not always a perfect son and bang the light went on. No matter what I did as a son he always loved me and supported me unconditionaly. The least I could do for him was to do the same for him. Good luck on this next leg of the band journey.

We are about 12 hours away from break time, tick, tick, tick....

Ah now that's a great example of my point losingjusme. You see when I make a statement like "Not all men are as f'ed up" there is an implied message and the inference is obvious but I don't actually identify who I am insulting. When we name the person we are directing the insult at we are being honest when we use inferrence we are showing our true colours. In my opinion comments made in that format say more about the commentor than they do about the person they are directed at.

I should add that at the very begining of this thread I indicated that I would be taking a break from LBT soon. For those of you who wish I would soon I have good news, tomorrow is the last day before my break so anyone who feels strongly that they need to tell me how wonderfull they think I am before I leave you have less that 24 hours to do so. Oh and anyone who wants to tell me to F**k Off the same hold true.

Pip, I am on my own I do not need to be part of a group to feel secure in my opinion. I always speak directly to the person I am addressing and I name them. I do not know you nor do I know what motivates you so I will not assign emotion to your words. If you were to review the posts when your fearless leader is disagreeing with someone you will find that she always assigns negative emotions to the people she disagrees with. I expect people to stand up for themselves and I would hope that they that this is a place where they can without being attacked. If you say you disagree with me I will argue my point but I will not then add comments that assign unfounded negative emotions to you just to make me feel better and hopefully convince others that you are a bad person. You will argue that I have and you will b e correct but it has been done on purpose to make a point. Oh and by the way no matter what anyone says I am not upset or unhappy or stomping my feet or saying weener whatever. Finally, I think most people have a good idea who the Posse is and believe me disagreeing with me is not what defines the members list.

See you are assigning emotions to me that do not apply, I am not having a temper tantrum as a matter of fact I am having a great time. and thanks for the petty spelling check it's exaclty what I would expect from someone as base as you. Now send in the clowns

Congrats, and good luck.

Ah, but your easy to fool. The queen appears Stomps her featies, say neener neener and so on and so on..... See how I just ascribed emotions to you that I have no way of knowing applies. Kind of reminds me of someone Hmm!! I wonder who Ladies and gentlemen, the queen!!

Transformer, at no time have I been whining as a matter of fact I am having fun. If you don'y like it then you stay the fuck out of MY THREAD and kiss my ass.

The Greeks went back and forth on Democracy in part because of this issue. The Greeks being the philosophical folks they were (Plato, Socrates, Aristophanes, Parminedis et al) spent a great deal of time debating Democratic vs. Autocratic rule. Many believed the perfect system was an Autocracy with a benevolent dictator. As intelligent as the Greeks were they were never able to devise a democracy that was able to contain checks and balances that would help prevent any potential forms of tyranny whether it is mass or individual. It would appear that modern democracies have done a much better job as they have made some significant changes to what the Greeks would have considered democracy. For example in Canada we use a Parliamentary system and an un-elected Senate, In the US a similar system is in place for the house of Representatives but the Senate allows for 2 senators per state, both systems were created as such to help prevent mass tryanny. Both Systems also contain a non-elected Judiciary to ensure that the mood of the majority does not enforce their rule over the minority. The Posse appears to have no members who are willing to play these roles so the Queen and her Posse are able to run roughshod over those who disagree. Gadget you are correct in saying that we seldom agree but I think we can both agree that it is important that modern democratic systems of government have been modified to prevent one group of people from forcing their values on another group.

It's interesting that the Walls of Text thread should be mentioned here. After reading that thread it is easy to see who the bully's are. Gang mentality is interesting especially if you consider that the gang feels like they are doing nothing wrong because their actions are supported by a large group. The ancient Greeks reffered to this as the tyranny of the masses, they believed that it was the single greatest flaw of democracy.

I think that getting a Tat is a good idea, that way the bully's are easily identified. Maybe have it placed on the middle of the forehead.

The Posse Appears, don't worry Tonto their just a bunch of Pussy's. It seem's odd however that you would try to insult me by calling me a women, in case you didn't noticed your a woman. Sorry I can't be online all the time to answer all your questions but this dam life thing keeps getting in the way. Maybe the Posse should consider getting one, even if you must share it amongst yourselves it would be a step in the right direction. Hi Ho Silver Away!!!!

I never once said I hated name calling, I said it doesn't bother me at all. I said I hate it when folks don't have the courage to be honest about who they are talking about. Heres a good example, You would be less confused Transformer if you read what people said and did not interject your own bias either that or your easily confused. See I was direct to the point and you know that I am talking to you. You did the same in your last post and I congratulate you for that, I only wish you wouldn't put words in my mouth. I rather like the name Queen of the Pussy Posse, I think it's imaginative and funny. If someone called me the King of the Penis Posse I would think that was funny and get a good chuckle. Although I doubt very much that there would ever be a Penis Posse.

Ah finally a breath of fresh air, like I said if I think someone is a big ass I just say it. No stomping of feet no telling people to get over themselves. The way I see it name calling is name calling, curious how if I call you an ass I'm childish but if you call me childish your all grown up. It's good to see that the queen of the Pussy Posse showed up. As soon as someone disagrees with any member of the Pussy Posse the full fronatl attack begins. Reminds of a certain phony Nurse on another board. Stomps Her Feeties (Now that's childish) Get Over Yourself

Yah I know what you mean, even worse are the know it all's who think in black and white, confident there are correct answers to everything. Speaking of childish Ha Ha!!!!

Q. What did the one alligator say to another alligator? A. When I grow up I'm going to be a dinasour. Looks like this rain ios never going to stop, oh well I'm a freaking alligator so this flood won't affect me. I'm an alligator/dinasour who lives in the water, Hey look at that funny boat with all the animals. Why don't we follow it and eat some of them when it finds dry land.

Chelle, no this was not directed at you I was referring to Isabigass!!!!!