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From "ASMBS Allied Health Nutritional Guidelines for the Surgical Weight Loss Patient" "One popular myth is that only 30 g/hr of Protein can be absorbed. Although this is commonly found in both lay and some professional literature, there is no scientific basis for this claim." http://www.asmbs.org/Newsite07/resources/bgs_final.pdf Two articles about it: 30 Grams of Protein In One Meal Rule 30 grams of protein per meal myth - the truth about how much protein per meal

Not if the reason is physiological IMO. What I see is that some people are overweight mostly through being very hungry or not having a strong satiety sensor. This leads to yo-yo dieting, which leads to be being obese and (sometimes) having an unhealthy relationship with food. For these people, WLS is usually enough. They now aren't hungry all the time and they feel satisfied. They weren't truly addicted or had a compulsion triggered by emotions. So they adjust to the new reality and thrive. Other people are in the gripe of something stronger and more mentally based. These are the people who sabotage themselves or trade one addiction for another. These are people like that gal on LBT who would binge eat until she vomited on a regular basis and finally lost her band (and then went ballistic and got banned apparently). Just putting a band around her stomach wasn't enough -- she needed to work on her head. Of course, there is everything in between as well. But most people that I've seen adjust just fine eventually and don't develop true addictions. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Doing something to the point where it controls you and is destructive, not positive. That's a true addiction. I think people, in general, through around the word "addiction" too casually. Maybe it's a sore spot for me because I have so many true addicts in my family and I've seen what harm true addiction can do. So when people talk about being "addicted" to shopping or exercise when all they really mean is "I like it a lot!", well, it bugs! :001_smile: I exercise 7.0 hours a week and I'm working on doing it every morning and every night. But I am not addicted to exercise. It's my hobby and I have goals and I am doing what I need to to meet my goals. If I overdo it one day, I take it easy or take off the next day. If something comes up and I can't make a scheduled session -- like my son's thesis defense on Thurs. night, I'll try to make it up, but I won't go nuts to make it up and I won't sacrifice his happiness for it. So it's not an addiction, IMO.

I think the incidence of transfer addiction is actually pretty small. Most people who suffer from it were truly addicted to food in a way that was more of an eating disorder than what most of us experience. I don't think buying a lot of clothes when you need a new wardrobe counts either. :eek: I think you'd have to do something like buy 7 purses all almost identical that you couldn't afford because you couldn't help yourself. (And there are people who shop like that.) It's the lack of control to the point of destructive behavior that makes it an addiction.

I haven't particularly noticed anything different... and I'm annoyed that I'm still getting TOM too. I'm too old for this shite to quote a famous movie character.

After my surgery, I was told to stop taking my meds and to monitor my blood pressure. It did jump around like crazy the first week, but then it slowly came down to normal. You really need to talk to your PCP about this as it's a situation that needs monitoring.

Well I went back later and checked my food diaries and realized that I hadn't been doing that many bullets and that my protein had gone down quite a bit the week before I had issues. I was quite shocked because my memory of what was going on at that point didn't match my reality.

Thanks! :smile:

This is why I hate the requirement to lose weight before surgery. It delays people from getting the medical care they need and, most of the time, it's a luxury, not a medical necessity.

Well, in the US, most surgeons I've heard about don't charge for a hiatal hernia repair if you are self-pay. It's only a single cut and 1 stitch! I'm not surprised Almanza charges, but I'm surprised Zapata does.

I carry beef jerky in my purse for emergencies.

A bunch of us did the cottage cheese test and the people two years out reported being able to eat no more than they could at 6-12 months out. So that isn't something you have to worry about, I think. What most people do that I see who have sleeves and complain about regain is start to graze so they are eating small amounts at a time but they are eating about twice as often. Or they don't exercise.

The week I ended up in the hospital, I was only consuming 50 g of protein a day because I had stopped using things like bullets and the Isopure and was stupidly trying to get most of my protein from "real" food. :smile:

The collagen based Proteins are controversial. They are mostly collagen but they do have some whey in them. They are also very similar to something called Protonex which is used in hospitals for patients who can't eat and need to get their Protein levels up. It works too. This is why I think the controversy over the bullets is overblown. For one thing, they aren't going to be our sole source of protein for months at a time. OTOH, they are kind of gross. :smile: I was able to take them for a while, slightly diluted with Water or Crystal Light, but then I just couldn't gag them down any more. I ended up making my Protein shake with extra water and 1.5 servings of powder instead and that worked better for me. I still do it, in fact.

I'm in the SF Bay Area. In some ways, it's kind of like a whole other state! Hee. I lived in San Diego for 11 years though before we moved up here.

Actually, it's a myth that we can only absorb 30 g of protein at a time. I'll post my link about it when I get home.

Amen, sister!

I have so many sites I'm on that have blogs. So I just keep one and direct people to it. http://fattyfightsback.blogspot.com Come by and check it out!

We went to Lake Del Valle. The kids' school camps there every year and it's definitely fun.

The Nike+ is only $30 though. I haven't seen anything else that does the same/similar thing for cheaper.

I don't think I'd go to a doc who charged extra. I mean, if even the USA docs don't charge for it....

Use the Couch-to-5k program! It will make you a runner, I swear!

I hang out on a board where people have had all the surgeries so I've seen all kinds of attitudes. I think the people who do the best with WLS are the driven and the goal-oriented. Or, rather, driven and goal-oriented people do quite well with WLS. So do rule followers. The people who don't do well are the ones with hidden issues that cause self-sabotage and the ones who are really good at fooling themselves. These are the ones that make excuses as to why everything they want to do is okay even when it isn't. Sometimes these are the same people. :laugh: But sometimes not. I'm always somewhat dumbfounded by the people who make no attempt to alter their eating patterns though. Some of them say "I didn't have surgery to have to diet." But it's not "dieting" IMO -- it's learning to make good choices and eat healthier. I figure I spent $17000 to have a designer stomach and I'm not going to put crap in it. That would be like putting cheap gas in a Ferrari! I also think they don't get how thin people look at food. Thin people look at bad choices as something they can chose once in a while as long as they deal with the consequences and make good choices more often. They don't look at eating this stuff as something they are *entitled* to or something that has no consequences. Of course, these are gross generalizations. YMMV.

Now, now. My hiatal hernia was repaired as part of my operation for no additional costs. :laugh: I think it's a self-pay thing because I've never heard of a self-pay patient in any country getting charged more. Who knows if you have insurance paying for it...

You can also use prilosec OTC. That's what I use.

I liked it! At first anyway. It saved my butt in the early days, letting me get in both Protein and Fluid in reasonable quantities. But I find most Protein drinks like that (the non-shake ones) "turn" on you after a while. So eventually I couldn't drink them. But by then I was onto regular food and found a Protein shake I liked so it was okay.