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I really appreciate this thread. I ordered Genepro after reading about how flavorless it is- and it really truly is flavorless - but we should all have legitimate concerns about how much protein is in a serving. I only log it as having 15g of protein per serving instead of 30 because I think the company is full of shit. So much so that now that I've read this thread and others I wouldn't buy it again because I can't even be assured it actually has ANY protein in it. I only use it to reach my protein stretch goal for the day, and not to hit the levels required by my plan. And I should probably just throw it away but hate wasting money haha.

keep up the good work team july! I've moved on to purees/soft foods and so far I tried ricotta and cottage cheeses. Went down nice, but I felt so full after 2 oz of the cottage cheese. It's nuts!

I cheated on my pre-op liquid diet once with sashimi and a second time with a couple of spoonfuls of caviar. This was more of a function of having to sit in fabulous restaurants with people for almost 3 meals a day while on my pre-op diet than out of cravings, but still, I cheated. I was honest with my surgeon about it however, and I think the second best thing to actually following the diet would be to be honest when you screw up. That way your team can evaluate and make the best medical decisions for you. In the end, the surgeon was happy with how much my liver had shrunk when he went in for the surgery but don't use my story as an excuse to cheat.

Hey guys, just want to bump this thread and see if any celiacs are still posting. I never in my life thought I had celiac, and never paid attention to what it even was but my GI doctor did a biopsy during the required pre-op endoscopy for my sleeve and the biopsy showed celiac. He then ordered a blood test which also showed celiac. He referred to it as "full-blown, real deal, high level celiac" when I expressed my doubts. I'm going to meet with him and his nutritionist in a couple of weeks to discuss my new mandated gluten-free lifestyle, but in the meantime I'm curious to hear from other celiacs who have the sleeve. - Did you know you had celiac before you started to look into the sleeve, or were you diagnosed as part of the process like I was? - Re: diet, a high Protein, low carb diet is very celiac friendly so I'm not super concerned about my celiac diet and my bariatric diet conflicting but my GI doc tells me gluten pops up in strange places. Anyone run into any sneaky gluten on their post op diets? - And in general, what has been your experience since your celiac diagnosis? Do you feel relief from any symptoms? Is life harder or easier? Less fatigue? I'm still learning as I go and would love to hear from other celiacs.

@@OutsideMatchInside ohhhhh, i get it. I noticed some of them will just straight up take spoonfuls of oil to get there. I have to spend more time reading. Avocado-eating anywhere outside of Cali and Mexico is a struggle.

Just checking back in. So great to read that many others had an easy and uneventful recovery. My update? A couple of days after I posted this I got slammed with fatigue. I had been out and about, working, running errands, socializing, and all of a sudden - BOOM. I could hardly be bothered to brush my teeth for about two days straight. It was all I could do to remember to drink my Water and Protein. I was also woken up in the middle of the night with a painful charley horse which (after I called my surgeon freaking out about blood clots) I realized was a result of getting too few electrolytes so I added in some Powerade zero and smart water. So the fatigue did get to me eventually, like many said it might. At least I had been warned! No problems since then and my energy is wayyy back up. I've been in the gym and have been taking long walks at night - mostly to play Pokemon go, but walking nonetheless. At the end of this week I'll be traveling for about 10 days, for one day of work and the rest for leisure. I'll be in a city with an altitude of over 7,000 feet above sea level so will try too hard not to push myself but to also take advantage of exploring a new city on foot. Trying to convince myself I won't be ready to climb an ancient pyramid at just 3 weeks post op, even though I really want to try

I have been low carbing off and on since 2001, so most of my experience is prior to WLS. I would say once you burn off the sugar in your body and get over the sugar withdrawals you start functioning normally. Maybe 6 weeks you notice you are firing on more than all cylinders. It is subjective and I can only go by my experience and the experience of my friends. If you read the stuff by the Bulletproof guy he swears by it, but he is also into a lot of other bio-hacking, some based in science some whacky. The difference with post-op on WLS surgery is takes you a while to be able to eat enough calories to really be clear in your mind. At least 800 calories daily for me, to fuel working and just regular activities. When my calories were below that I was fatigued a lot. I don't have celiac and I don't have a gluten allergy and most people that claim to have gluten allergies have never been tested. I mean think about it, if people were allergic to gluten, most of the population would be sick, it doesn't make sense. Most people are reacting to too much sugar. I don't tolerate sugar more specifically HFCS. HFCS makes me sick. It is too much sugar too fast and it floods your system. People say sugar is sugar and that is kind of true, but how different sugars react in your body is very different. I try to stay at 25 net carbs per day and no more than 75 on a carb day. I only count net carbs because I really need my Fiber and net carbs makes the most sense. Really with just eating meat and veggies, it is pretty hard to break even into 25 carbs. I really have no idea how people end up eating so many carbs. I had ribs yesterday so today I am just eating fish and a lot of veggies so I will post later what my carb count is with all the veggies I eat. If people are seriously just eating meat and green veggies is impossible to have a high carb count, counting net carbs or actual carbs. I think if you seriously low carb for a long period like WLS patients should be doing you are going to have to carb cycle some, or your body just gets used to it and nothing happens. I am still experimenting with this. This day is bad because I had a Fit Crunch Bar I have one day a week that I usually have carbs, I had to add some carb cycling because I was stalling a lot. Saturday I had fish tacos and pizza all day and it was pretty glorious. This is the nutrient break out for that day. This is a high carb day for me and my net carbs are 32.5. I also went to Starbucks in the afternoon and had a Trenta Cold Brew, but I always order it black and add my own half and half. This is a day I didn't really feel like eating much /r/keto has been a really big help to me. I can't eat the fat they eat, but there are lots of good tips there. I use the Keto Calculator to calculate my macros to set in LoseIt. It is awesome because well most people can't handle the huge fat deficits that we can, they would be too hungry, but WLS patients can go on and take the max fat deficit. The weight loss forecast it comes up with there is also really helpful. It tells you at the points you have to increase your calories. I want to add that I am not just coming up with how and what I eat on my own with stuff I have found on the internet. Things I have researched have lead me in this direction but I also am in contact with two University Professors. My biggest issue right now is I don't eat enough calories for my RMR or my activity level. It is pretty hard to up my calories but I am trying to slowly. I don't have a diminished metabolism at all and I want to keep it that way. The best way to do that is to keep adjusting your calories higher as you lose. Leaving them low for a long period, lowers your metabolism. Hey OMI, thanks for this very detailed response. I wasn't able to respond for a few days and just getting around to it now. I'm still way too soon post-op to tailor my macros at this point, but I've bookmarked your post and will come back to it in a few weeks. I really appreciate the level of detail. Interesting point on the carb cycling. Why do you say you can't eat the fats they eat on /r/keto? If you are also trying to up your calories, wouldn't some added fat do that? Anyway thank you again for sharing all of your info. You must be past the 365 day mark at this point so congratulations again on all your hard work and success. Also re: celiac, I got diagnosed during the pre-op process for the sleeve which is why I asked but I'm going to make a separate thread for that.

You can ask them to give you something for anxiety as soon as you get to the hospital @@Lmoore01

@@KristenLe I wasn't telling you to shut up! I was just surprised that's all. No worries.

@@OutsideMatchInside how long did it take you to first notice your mind was sharper from low carbing? I've heard this from other people as well and it fascinates me. And were you ever tested for celiac? One more: what is your threshold for low carb? On the Reddit keto board people say under 50-60 grams, some need to go much lower to notice the positive effects. I'm curious for a WLS perspective to that question.

I'm only 6 days post-op but at my surgeons visit yesterday he told me to begin light cardio and light weight lifting that won't engage my core. He said he'll clear me for all exercise starting at one or month post.

Great uplifting fucking story from one of the most consistently well informed and intellectual style posters here! You kicked butt and even better, your story just makes sense.

I mean, at least you were dancing! Great to hear about your successful recovery as well.

If one listens to their body, they won't over -do it. Once you have your surgery you will understand. Sent from my iPhone using the BariatricPal App @@KristenLe you haven't had your surgery yet? I never would have known- you are doling out advice with the authority of a seasoned vet in every thread I post ! No offense at all, you are very sweet but I had no idea.

Wonderful to hear of your successful recovery, fitness and weight loss! Thank you for sharing. I actually DID get slammed with fatigue at the end of the day today and was in bed before 10! So you are right, it can catch up to you.

So glad there's lots of us who feel great!

can you get your sweat glands injected with botox?

It was a brief chat about why I wanted to have the surgery and my past weight history. The rest of the time was spent with the psychiatrist asking me to read his manuscript and send it to my publishing contacts. Similar experience to @@OutsideMatchInside I guess. Consequently, while I was waiting to go into surgery they left me in a room alone with my chart for some time so I was leafing through it and found the clearance letter that the shrink wrote. It was riddled with errors - he had my age wrong, he had my weight history way way wrong (I was not an overweight child or teenager, I gained most of my weight in the last few years) and he said I was "preoccupied with my appearance" which we didn't discuss at all. My guess was that it's just more of a form letter and he knows what to write so I'll get approved but jeez.

Awesome! We had good luck on 7/7!!! @@bini120 don't think that didn't cross my mind !

Ok cool. Thanks guys ! @@OutsideMatchInside "elation at not being dead" is a good way to put it. It was that and then elation at not struggling to drink Water, which I was super worried about because I love water. The posts about not being able to drink water kill me. I will definitely take it a little easier after this week. I'm heading up to the mountains for some R+R with family for a long weekend and by 2 and a half weeks post op I'll be on vacation in Mexico.

Loooool @ peasant food

Does anyone know if there is an appropriate version of adult liquid acetaminophen available in the US? I am 3 days post op and am efforting to stop taking the prescribed Tylenol w/ codeine during the day. My surgeon recommended children's Tylenol and I just took a dose of that but noticed that it contains high fructose corn syrup which I would rather avoid. I tried looking on Tylenol's website and didn't see any adult liquid options that didn't also include decongestants. Thanks in advance for any advice.

@@Kaze I respect the fuck out of anyone who can eat crackers in moderation. I could house a sleeve of saltines in a single 22 min episode of golden girls. So more power to you. I love that.

@@Kaze honestly, I'm not with you on that but trying to keep my mouth shut so you get your answer re: types of crackers. I'm still really early post op, in full on carbs are the devil mode and am annoyed just seeing them on my plan.

Post was the opposite of offensive. I found it uplifting.