Jill_S

I think what Paul means is - if y'all are refering to Paul and I's discussion, it was resolved - as noted by us both saying we were done. Dunno why people continue to comment on it, but it seems kinda fruitless.

I've stuck with my program of 30-45 minutes of cardio 5-7 times a week, but.... tonight, I'm driving to Rochester MN because my dad is having surgery on Friday, and I won't be home til Saturday night, so my pacing in the hospital will have to be good enough for a couple days. I noticed for the first time last night - when I had a protein bar at lunch (instead of my typical dinner) and lots of protein for dinner (fish), I seemed to rock HARD on the bike - doing about about 1mph more on average than without the extra push of protein.

*snicker* I love this guy. Can we keep him?

No, no. Trust me, I'm done. When my head hurts, it's time to stop. Too bad that doesn't work with the husband~ :welldone2:

And telling me to "Chill" ensures that, right? :welldone2: I disagreed with your initial post, Paul. You came back at me, and I responded in kind. That's how these things get started, even if we don't want them to. I do not like to be misunderstood, and I'm sure you don't either. Did the initial post have anything to do with me? No, I have the band *chuckle*. But I disagreed with your opinion, and I said so. As far as I know, that's not breaking any laws. I'm unclear of how that "denigrates your feelings", but that's all right, it has nothing to do with this thead anyway. You're allowed to feel that way, even if it puzzles me. I realize that you have your PMs (which as you say, I'm not privy to), but the typical reader of this board (as I am) has information that perhaps you do not, as well. As I've said in other threads like this, we all come here with our own goggles of experience. We cannot ask anyone to assume that another's goggles are clearer than our own. And perhaps that's where these sorts of disagreements come from. After 12 years on the 'net, I certainly expect it to happen. The best we can all hope for is a modicum of understanding.

To tell someone "if you understood the situation" is akin to telling a teenager that "they'll understand when they're older", meaning, they do not have the capacity to understand *now*. I do understand the situation. I have read all the same posts you have. To tell me I do not understand (by saying - if you understood), you did indeed insult my capacity to understand. I have quoted each thing I've responded to you for. There's no reading between anything. I use the quoting system to make sure folks understand what I'm replying to. How have I denigrated your feelings? By disagreeing? Isn't that how this whole mess got started in the FIRST place? You are allowed your opinion, Paul, and I am allowed to disagree with your opinion. I have no called you any names, I have not denied your right to voice your opinion, nor have I said "your opinion is stupid." *sigh* We're beginning to not see the forest for the trees here, I think. The Blame Game is what I am initially arguing about here. I don't want to get into a disagreement about semantics. Which is seems that this as slipped down to. I have no interest in continuing a "you can have your opinion, but don't disagree with mine!" argument.

http://www.lapbandtalk.com/profile.php?do=editlist Insulting my intelligence ("if you understood...") isn't going to win any arguments for you. http://www.lapbandtalk.com/profile.php?do=editlist It was a generic "you". Maybe you(Paul) didn't have to leave but others felt they did. http://www.lapbandtalk.com/profile.php?do=editlist Never said ya did. But then again, doesn't mean I can't express my own opinion, does it? I'm not seeing a distinction. http://www.lapbandtalk.com/profile.php?do=editlist You don't bother me, Paul. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't mean I'm going to ignore you. I don't have to agree with you to respond, do I? http://www.lapbandtalk.com/profile.php?do=editlist

It's a real feature. http://www.lapbandtalk.com/profile.php?do=editlist

Well, again, I have to ask: why not just ignore them? If they were committed posters on this board, and loved it here, why not just over-look this person and move on? Leaving doesn't solve anything. If they loved it here, they've allowed ONE person to take something from them that they love. Why would you give someone you don't agree with that much power over you? It seems to me that there's *has* to be a deeper reason. Like maybe - "if we all leave, they'll kick So and So off the board!" (which is childish at best) I don't presume to know the answer to that, or the real reasons they left (only they do, honestly. No matter what they tell anyone else, only they know the real reasons) but for the life of me, I just can't see leaving a place you love because of one person you disagree with. If we all did that, we'd all have NO place to go. No one likes everyone all the time. Again, it's not just one person. I'm sorry, but "he started it!" just doesn't fly on a message board. Just because someone tries to hit you with a LBT bat doesn't mean you have to retaliate in kind. That's like saying ...err, nm, no political references here!

Honestly. I am only responding to this because I've tried very hard to not respond much to the other threads in this vein, but this got my last neckhair on edge, and sounds very much to me like a witch hunt. You're going to sit there and point one finger at one person for all of this? Over the last month or so, I've seen lots of people get more vocal, more aggitated, more...arguementative. LOTS of people. Not just one or two. LOTS. Hell, I myself have offered up an argument here and there, which is typically not my style on this particular board. This didn't start in ONE thread. It didn't start with ONE post. And it didn't start with ONE person. One person cannot have an argument. It takes at least two to do that. One person's posts shouldn't be (and isn't, frankly) causing all these people to leave, as this board comes with an awesome thing called an ignore feature. If it was only one person, why not put that *one* person on an ignore list, and move on? Frankly, I'm not even sure who Paul is talking about, because there are a few people that come to mind that fit most of his "criteria". Doesn't matter though. Who cares? It's a flawed accusation, meant to call out to one particular person (whoever he meant), and take them to task for what he believes he's seen happen. Thing is, that's not the whole picture, at least from my camera. One person cannot wage a war, it takes an army of at least two to accomplish that. :faint: Maybe it's me who needs a break from the board. Seems to me the accusations are more painful to read than any argument thread.

.... omg you play World of Warcraft !!!!! :mad: (or some other MMORPG but this sounds like Warcraft to me *nod*nod*) me too me too me too.

Ditto. We can each only speak from our own experiences, so I always figured it was assumed that we all do.

Are you keeping your calories up? When I started burning over 600 calories/day, I upped my calories to compensate. When I slide below 500 net calories for the day (food - exercise), I do not lose, period.

I said that about 16's. I might have to tell the entire neighborhood!

I'm gonna go all Office Space on my monitor at work one of these days. 15" regular monitor. :think I want my 20" flatpanel from home But it won't be me - it'll be :bandit some guy in a mask! (these really are cute.)

Grats Heather I did a little dance when I got into my 20's too!

This is nuts. Seriously. I'm sitting here with my mouth hanging open, stunned at this. Some people wanna talk about sex, where it does or does not apply to the band, and they are berated for this. Some people wanna discuss what works for them, and when they do, they are lambasted for being "holier than thou". Some people want to complain about how the band isn't the miracle cure they were looking for, and in doing so, assault and insult those of us who are happily working WITH (yes, I said WITH so sue me) our band to make the most out of this experience. We have drama queens and queen bees and queens of nothing. And rather than being adults and simply bypassing the stuff that doesn't/hasn't worked for us or doesn't/hasn't interested us, we're insulting people who say it works for them. Myself included. Because I *am* one of the people for whom keeping temptation out of my house *works*. Holier than thou? Hardly. If you only knew. I'll say it again. This is nuts. Despite some people's beliefs(or at least, actions), there *are* real live people at the other end of these board names. And while what's said on an internet message board shouldn't hurt, I'm hear to tell you - it can, and it does.

I really, really want to reply to this thead with my opinion. But with all the lashing going on, perhaps it's better than I sit here mute and wait for the flying-fur to settle down. You want to talk about being pissed off? THAT pisses me off.

Every time I walk in the kitchen, I eye the meat cleaver. I want to take it to the inside of my thighs, which are deflated and...ugh so nasty. But hey. At least they're not full anymore. I should be happy with that, but I'm not, completely. Somewhat, just not completely. I hear ya Dawg.

...as anal-retentive as me. Go on, I dare you. It's a sickness. I'm a computer geek. It's how I learn my living, creating software that makes people's lives easier. So, when I had my fill in January, I decided instead of using my calendar to track my exercise and weight, I'd make myself a nice little Excel spreadsheet. And it was a nice little spreadsheet, too. Until my data obsession got it the way. It now has 2 tabs. One for exercise, one for calories. The calorie page consists of a weeks worth of boxes (the past weeks are there, just rolled up.). In each box, every day, I list what I ate, and how many calories it was. There started off just being a nice little total at the bottom of each box, but now, there is a total eaten, a place for me to log my calories burned from exercise, and even a spot to include My base metabolic rate leftovers (BMR-(eaten + burned)) to track how much of my BMR is left at the end of each day. This nice little number goes into a total at the top, and is divided by 3500 (# of calories in a pound) to tell me how much weight I should have lost. Next to it is a cell that proudly proclaims how much weight I actually *have* lost. Got that? Cause we're only just starting.... The other page started off simply: The date, my current weight, pounds lost, calories eaten, calories burned, and total calories for the day. But oh - that was too simple. There are now columns for my current BMI (calculated off my weight each day), weight lost/gained since the day before, form of exercise (currently, they all say Bike), minutes exercised, miles(from the bike), and the average mph for that day. THEN! At the top, is my starting weight and BMI, my total pounds lost, my pounds lost since I got the band, my grand total of calories, my grand total of calories burned, and a percentage of those (it was up to 46pct, but my mom came for 2 days, so I spent 2 days off the bike *sigh*, so I'm down to 42pct now). And tonight, because I have this anal-retentive sickness and this obsession with data, I added 4 new cells: Last period, date expected for next period (last + 21), then a separate 2 for 5 days prior to my TOM when my Water starts to add on, and the next expected day THAT will happen. *sigh* It really is a sickness :/ Please tell me I'm not the only one who tracks all this crap. If my husband ever saw this, he'd know for sure that I've lost my little mind. He might be right.

I've been taking 5kmcg of Biotin for about 3 months. I haven't noticed any weird or abnormal growth anywhere :confused: hope that helps :cake:

I did my own. Cause I'm a geekette :confused: I'd be happy to post mine, but my I'm rolling up my rows rather than creating new sheets every week/month, so unless I spend some time cleaning that up, you'd have to know how to do that :cake: Hm. Maybe that's a good Sunday project :cake:

I do 30-45 minutes on the stationary bike 6-7 times a week. At 35 minutes, I'm at about 10.2-10.4 miles and my goal is 15 miles/day. I want to start weight training, but I'm going to be moving in a few months, so joining a gym isn't gonna happen til then, unless I decide I can work out between work and dinner (I live 25 miles from work, am moving over there soon). I already know the gym I'm going to join - I should just go do it now :confused: When I hit my first goal of 250 on 2/13, I bought myself an IPod. It certainly helps the exercise go faster than the TV!

I don't think Heather was saying that there is a religious reason behind this (I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong lol) but rather comparing the discussion of religion to the discussion of sexual topics. I personally do not consider myself a Christian. I'm a pagan. Do the posts about prayer offend me? No, but then again, I'm smart enough to read the subject line and stay out of them, because it's not something I'm interested in reading. The only time they offend me is when it's shoved down my throat in a place where it isn't marked (say, if it was in a thread called "Scales!" or something). I believe the sex topics should be the same way. If you read the subject line, and you're not interested in reading it, why even open it up? If the people who don't want to read about other people's sexual experiences/problems/etc when they pertain to the band, then if we can agree to mark the subject line as such (most do), folks who don't want to read them can - simply not read them. I think we can agree that most of us here are adults, and do not need to be segregated by our beliefs or our lifestyles. Please tell me we can agree on that. I run four very large email lists on another subject. We started out with one, and then ended up with four, because at first, we were trying to make everyone happy by separating subjects as they pertained. Turns out, all that did was slow down the lists and make people grumpy. I can easily see that happening with this.

I don't keep stuff in the house I shoudln't eat. Right now, I live alone (hubs is in the Navy) so it's easy. Last weekend, my Mom came for a garden show here in town. I told her, before she came, if she wanted anything like chips or Cookies or even Cereal, she'd have to bring it herself. Now, I did buy pastries for Breakfast for her, but I bought apple, which she likes, but I don't. I did make a big roast and noodles for dinner on Sunday (when Dad came to get her), but I know noodles + my band = argh! So I ate sparingly. If you have a husband or kids in the house, and they insist on junk, buy junk you don't like. Around me, if Hubs eats junk, it's cookies with coconut or ginger (blech) or funyuns (double blech), because there's no temptation for me there. It's possible to win over junk food Sometimes, you just gotta be creative