BigViffer

This has to be a spam account or troll post. skierChic joined the site 4 hours ago, posts in the Guys Room about skiing 2 weeks post op. Skiing. Who in the hell has energy, much less the range of movement, necessary for skiing two weeks post op?! And if that isn't strange enough, instead of going to an emergency room she joins a web forum to ask a bunch of strangers what to do? I just don't buy it. On the off chance that this is real, jesus... go to a hospital.

Pfft... 2 years out and my stomach is as noisy as ever. Doesn't matter what I eat or drink, it's gurgling or growling or some other sound I can't describe. You just kind of get used to it. Sent from my phone. Please forgive brevity and spelling.

OK, I must be getting older and becoming a luddite because I cannot for the life of me figure out how to change my Before/After pictures. Can someone clue me in please?

Thank you for pointing me in that direction. I never would have thought to look anywhere other than my profile page.

Still rocking the deadlifts. I had seen a coach a few months back and she had me reset my form and lower the weights. I just getting back to where I was before.

4 weeks out is not a good time to be experimenting with blood thinning depressant. The risk of a bleed is very real. Add to that the hormonal dump that may be making you emotional mixing with a depressant makes it a very bad idea.

That was the #1 fruit I was told to avoid for the first year. In my paperwork it was noted as causing dumping syndrome because of the sugar content. The texture and consistancy isn't an issue, but the sugar goes right through you. If you decide to try it, don't venture too far away from your bathroom.

I'm not trying to pick a fight with you @OutsideMatchInside. I see no difference it the processing of whey protein bars and ice cream bought in a store. And unless you are growing all of your own food, everything is made with chemicals. Literally everything you buy has some chemical either coating or ingested by the animal the meat was cut from. Blocks of cheese, yogurt, cottage cheese, coffee creamer, butter... all of these dairy products will have chemicals traces in them from the cows that were most likely on antibiotics at the very least. There there are the preservatives and the thickeners and the color enhancers. Do you like hot dogs or sausages? All processed and frankenfoods. That being said, I think they are safe foods. On the other hands, Velveeta cheese, pop tarts, dinosaur shaped chicken nuggets, the powdered flavoring on potato chips, boxed macaroni and cheese... those are truly foods that I believe should be avoided at all cost as they are unnatural. If you want to lump all protein bars in with the latter group, that is fine. But don't present it as fact to people who are new to bariatric eating. It is not fact, it is opinion. We are all entitled to them.

Again, I respectfully disagree. OK, I should have been more clear with that statement. Don't count chicken and tuna salad a a good source of protein. One tablespoon of mayo has the same calories as 4 ounces of grilled chicken with the skin and fat removed. And I don't know about you guys, but my tuna & chicken salad had a lot more than a tablespoon of mayo. So what meant was don't eat chicken salad. It's not a great choice for protein when there are leaner options.

Respectfully, I disagree. I have at least one a day on weekdays. Sometimes two. As long as they are from a reputable brand they are a safe and reliable source of protein. That being said, I use them because my protein goals are well above 100 grams a day because of weightlifting. I need that supplementation. The OP however is only jogging. She should be fine with the 60-80 gram range. To the OP, you mention toast, salad, and veggies. I would say that you should cut back on those and focus on the dense proteins first. Once you hit your daily goal, reward yourself with the veggies and salad. But don't make it a nutritionally devoid salad like iceberg lettuce. Get dark green leafy veggies like kale, spinach, arugula, and cabbage. Don't count chicken salad or tuna salad as a protein source if you use mayo. It just becomes a fat source. Lastly, if you are not logging your food you should try it out so that you can get an idea of how much you are actually consuming versus what you think you are eating.

That sounds like dumping syndrome to me. Pina colada (whether mix or from scratch) has tons of sugar. Dumping syndrome takes many forms, but the lack of sweating and drooling is not uncommon.

When I do a standing press, I can feel it in my glutes. That doesn't make the press a good glutes exercise. They are ancillary but still an important part of the chain. For me to say that it is not a chest exercise may have been inaccurate, I will acquiesce that point. The chest of course must be involved in any press, but that lift is not the most efficient use of the chest which is ostensibly why anyone is doing them. I think the always entertaining Mark Rippetoe says it best: For those who haven't tried it yet, a good example of this would be performing a push-up supine hand position instead of a pronated. It feels weird and alien, but it is still doable. I am trying to imagine me getting into the proper bench press position and then reversing my hand grip. It just seems needlessly dangerous. If you want to do the lift, go ahead. You have to do what works for you and what you enjoy doing. If it were me though, I would only attempt that lift with dumbells. The risk of the barbell coming off seems to great to me. I hope it doesn't sound like I am picking on or attacking you Cander, that is not my intent.

If your husband is supportive, you most likely won't have any issues. The only real problem will be ignorance on his part. I don't mean that insultingly, only definitively. I know many times my parents will invite us over for dinner and they have something that sounds healthy but in reality is just marketing fluff. Fat free something doesn't mean high protein or bariatric friendly. So educating him is a good idea, just forgive any early mistakes. I don't know of any material that spells out guidelines strictly for spouses. But you could involve him in your studying of the material. Have him quiz you on certain facts about the procedure and maybe have a list of foods that are good choices and some that are bad choices try and figure which are which and why. In the beginning, my wife tore through all kids of facebook groups and websites. She was very interested in my new lifestyle. She doesn't follow it like I do, but she makes every effort to ensure I am successful.

Oh, I forgot to mention the sodium content. Prior to my surgery I had high blood pressure. I had a 20 year habit of avoiding salt. Post op, I have gone the other way and now have been told by my surgeon & PCP to start salting my food! Turns out when you eat clean you aren't taking in anywhere near the sodium content as when you live off of fast food and diet pop.

If I am reading that label right, it says 16 grams of protein and 350 calories? That isn't really a great source of protein. The gram to calorie exchange for protein is 1 gram = 4 calories. Carbs are the same but fat is 1 gram = 9 calories. So in this example, only 64 calories are from protein. I am betting the rest is from fat. There might be some potato in there for cabs, but I don't see it in the picture. My rule of thumb is try and get the calories to be a factor of 10 of the protein grams. If something has 300 calories, I'd like the protein content to be close to 30 grams (or at least close). Many of the greek yogurts meet that metric, as does cottage cheese. I have a pouch of tuna at my desk now with 90 calories and 16 grams of protein! Fish is a powerhouse in regards to protein to calories.

I do not think you are, I apologize if I sounded gruff. I usually try to soften my tone on this forum, but when talking with guys I don't bother. I just do a information dump. There was no rancor in my reply, just a rebuttal. Yes you are correct that two shakes or two scoops of powder would hit the protein goal of a sedentary or lightly active average male. However, in the spirit of the thread title(e.g. intense workout) double that needs to be ingested. That's all I really wanted to get out there.

Take comfort in the fact that after a while, you won't even remember what your "last meal" was. Or if you do remember, you will look back on it and shake your head wondering why that food seemed so important at the time. I think back to the biscuits and gravy and shudder at the amount of fat I used to eat every weekend. I tried it about a year out, just not what I remembered. It was pretty gross actually.

The first thing you need to do is establish what exactly you want. If you just want to flatten your chest and get rid of the "moobs", stick to cardio. Just run your ass off. Losing the fat will flatten the chest. If you want to try an back fill the left over skin with muscle, you are going to need to focus on building muscle. And not just the pectorals, your shoulders too. And that means using free weights. I know the machines are more comfortable and easier, but there is a price for that. Effectiveness. The king of chest building training is the bench. Ugh. I hate the bench but it has to be done. Whether you start with dumbells or the barbell doesn't matter really. I prefer dumbells, but there is little disputing that the barbell is better because if forces the arms to work in synchronicity. Just be conservative with the weights. Even now I start ever chest day with just the bar to warm up and establish my bar path in my head. Any training that involves the chest press requires that the shoulders be strong as well. So you are going to need to start training them as well. I have a post on here with some examples of shoulder exercises. Again, be conservative. This isn't a race, it's the rest of your life. Once your shoulders and chest are starting to show progress, then you can add dips into the mix. They are good for the lower part of the chest. Forget declines. Dips is what you want. Inclines are OK, I do them too, but it is because I enjoy them, not because they are a magic movement that causes huge growth. A better lift for the shoulders and upper chest at the same time is the standing press. That causes some growth! And one real quick note about the reverse grip bench. That is not a chest exercise, rather it is a triceps lift and the chest is ancillary at best. I don't care for it, but there is nothing wrong with it. I just want to make sure people know what it is really working. Oh, and the EZ-Curlbar Skullcrushers are great for the triceps and lats. Look that one up too. All of this is of course optional, you may do whatever works best for you. This is just what I have I researched and experienced. And I would say these are things you shouldn't attempt until you are hitting 100 grams of protein on a somewhat regular basis.

You know, now that I think about it; vent away. This is exactly the place to blow off the steam. Many times I vented on something that in hindsight was trivial. But in the moment, it's something that just needs to be said to get it out of your head.

That's a really good one for the obliques! Glad to hear you started with it as a base. No workout plan will (nor should) be identical for everyone. Try as I might, I just don't think I can continue much longer on the Starting Strength routine I have been doing. I just cannot take in enough food. The lifts are perfect for my goals, I just cannot do the plan as it is written. So I am working on and testing out a variation for myself. Keep it up man. Establish your habit so that becomes the replacement to your food addiction!

Do a quick search on this forum for "regret" or "cheated". So many people go through with the surgery and are no where near mentally prepared for the lifestyle change. To be honest though, I did not have to wait. In my case the sleeve surgery was a precursor to another surgery dealing with my spine. However, once it was done and the weight came off the other problem went away. So I was one of the fortunate ones.

For those of you that lift heavy or train hard, how are you getting in enough calories to fuel your activity? I peaked a few months ago on my major lifts and I just cannot make any gains. Everything I am reading, and the professionals that I have spoken to have said that increased food consumption is the only thing I am not doing. I cannot build muscle if I am burning everything I am taking in. I have my 2 year follow up appointment with my surgeon coming up next month and I plan on asking him about Gold Standard Pro Gainer: http://www.optimumnutrition.com/en_US/products/pro-gainer The nutrition label is pretty good and not loaded with unnecessary carbs. 60grams of Protein in one scoop is impressive to say the least. But the healthy fats and needed carbs push up the caloric value much higher than just my normal protein powders. Does anyone have experience that I can take to my surgeon as a discussion topic?

I've pretty pretty vocal about my disdain for the NUT that was part of my surgical team. My surgeon does not even care for her opinions. She was completely unprepared at the three appointments I had with her and she consistently ignores things that were told to her either in writing or mentioned at the previous appointment. Things like food allergies should be front and center and she always forgot them. However, if I ever run low on printed out smoothie recipes, she'll be the first person I think to call. I am eating 2000-2500 calories a day and averaging 150 grams of protein a day. My surgeon is also into weight lifting as is one of his PA's. That is why I was going to discuss the product in the original post. Based on my workouts, he said I could go as high as 3500 calories a day, but I just can't bring myself to do it. I was wanting to use that product on the days I was hitting 2000. I am good on my macro's and eating patterns. I even have an example for people to review: Thanks for the advice, but I'm good.

I am already fairly liberal with my use of peanut, almond, and cashew butters. But I do not want to over do them since they are so very high in fat.Yes I realize that they are healthier fats, but the thought is still in my head fat+bad! It's easy for me to tell people not to sweat the fat content, but of course hard to follow the same advice. I will look into nuts as a caloric boost a little more seriously. I have already had my appointment with my surgeon, so I won't be seeing him again for at least a year.

Yes it is true. During the first few months I would be so bold as to say the majority of people cannot hit the protein goal every day. Couple that with the seriously reduced caloric intake and you have someone who is not as active because they are exhausted. We've both been on the board roughly the same amount of time, can you remember any guy saying they didn't lose any strength or muscle mass the first year?