FuelMan

Ok, there gigit, How in the world can you twist facts, to make people who choice not to have "THERE" baby, to the null nazis ?? I can see you have a real hair across your ass on this issue. You talk about knowing prolifers who will take a baby in any shape ???? I'd say there any enough by long shot. OK, maybe one or 10, but not enough to make a small dent in the children that need homes. How many unwanted children do you have ????? How many foster kid do you have in your home ??? Let's be real on this !!!!! There are too many kids for the system to handle and a lot of them get screwed over and taken advantage of. I would rather see an un-born out of a womb by a Hoover then having another murder in prison. I was not talking about life styles and you know it. Before some guy killed another woman, or some innocent bystander, or raped another person I would rather him have been sucked out by the systems Hoover. There are too many people in the world today anyway, so why stress about some poor black or brown being part of the un-born count. I see you as just a little over the top in this issue and I would ask myself........... WHY. I know for myself I need something to focus on and to channel my anger and my passion. What I should be doing is channeling that passion into my eating and my contact with the God of my understanding. So good luck, as this will be my last post on this site. I have not the energy to fight and try to open peoples minds when they refuse to open to the bigger picture. Butch

The fighting about this subject will go on for a long time, So lets get away from the fight. It's the government who like this fighting, if they keep us fighting we won't look at the real problem. It's not the killing and the not killing of baby's, it the pregnancies, and the trauma that goes along with it. If we offered the lady's a place to have the kids and raise them or give them up to cool people, and if we offered help for woman who can not afford another kid, or who would take care of the kids as the girls went back to school, or job training and then had child day or night care where kids could grow safe and healthy, now wouldn't that be a better way to go ??? What we really need is the backing of a strong Government who is willing to spend money on taking care of the women here in this country and helping young girls have these kids in a safe and healthy environment would be better. So the trauma of having and raising a kid was nice experience, not a nightmare. As I see it the prisons are full of baby's who might have been better off being aborted before they where born. The killers, rapists, psycho's, and the hard core's, that no amount of rehab will help. They where brought up in a hell we know nothing about, and don't want to know. Maybe if that mother was offered help at the beginning and to raise that child in a safe way, both her and the child might have turned out different. I know this seems simple and like I am putting the blame on our government, but we spend billions a pond billions in foreign aid, and oil wars, we might want to look at our own people and how to help them make a better live for them self's, and help the poor. If we do it your way it will only help putting abortions underground, it's not going to go away. To me your way and the way of "Pro-Life" does not make any sense. It's not about killing baby's, forget about the baby's and look deeper at the real problem. Try and see out side of the box, step back and look at the bigger picture. The baby is the last step, lets try and fix the first one. We should all come together and fight this as united front. Butch Om Sai Rama

White Girls, Please................ Let's not fight about the after affects of the real problem. Lets look at the solution, what is it going to take for us to enlighten our young lady's of this country ?????? We need to not fight among our self's, we need to ban together and fight the real problem of this "Thing". As I see it and I call it is the disrespect of our women, treating them as "Meat", "Sex Things", this behavior has to stop if we want to make our young women more independent, and self reliant. Stop fighting about what is a baby a baby, when is it suppose to be human, that's not the issue. The powers that be would like to keep us fighting about that instead of coming up with a solution, keeping us fighting about the little shit and keeping our focus off the real problem. We need to unite against the "Madison Ave's", The Film Indus'", The TV vision of Woman. If I was from another plant, and I was watching TV & Movies, I would think all people in the US are buiteful, white, blond, and have large breasts. Just watch any show and see what you come up with. OK I'll get off the soap box, sorry, I can really go on about this. It just really piss's me off. Butch Om Sai Rama

PS. On the weight side of things. Today I finely broke the 300 mark. I weighted in at 295 lbs. I think that is the first time since High School. Thought I would just share that. WHOOPI Butch

Lets not get too crazy on the guys, I sponsor a few guys who believe like I do and up hold women's rights. What I was trying to say is we should look at the way women are set up from the get go as far as how to look how to act, how to "BE". It just ain't right the way we here in this country treat our women. Just watch a movie or a TV show. Forget about the ad's. We treat women like so much meat, movies about rape and abuse and killing are the norm, how sick is that ???? If we saw women in a different light, and treated them like equals, a lot of this problem would stop. Every time I look at RAG MAG'S in the check out line in the supermarket's, it makes me sick to my stomach. How we portray our women is a sin. So when it comes to unwanted baby's, and abortion, it might help if we started to look at women as people, not sex toys or a piece of meat. We should teach our women how to stand up and not take the shit the media/Madison Ave dishes out. Women should band together, but no.......... they have to see each other as a thereat and competition, where did that thought come from ????? I see abortion as the out come of a larger problem. So we should focus on the problem not the out come. It only makes sense. Butch Om Sai Rama

I have posted to this thread before in the beginning, and got a note saying someone has posted to it, so here I am again on my soap box. I am with you Carrie, and anyone else who thinks like you. The Government controls enough, but to control a woman's body is going a little too far. Abortion is not and should not be a means of birth control. But to ask a rape victim, or a child pregnant by incest should be able to have an abortion. The thing I have said before and will say again is........ we have to educate our women and teach them they are not what they look like. So much interest is put on how a woman looks and it is enforced by the "Raggie Mag's" that are in print, and exposed every where. When a woman does not think she looks like this Pic of some skinny, unhealthy model saying you have to look like me to be pretty. Then this girl starts to feel less then and tries with everything she has to look that way, no matter what it takes. We are told by the media what is pretty and what is not. It makes me sick seeing how we use and abuse our women. We should be working on this instead of after the fact. Then maybe our young girls would not have to have baby's at such a young age just to prove they are OK as females. To say nothing about how we treat the orphans in this country, why would anyone think about putting a child up for adoption. Butch Om Sai Rama

Thanks for the info. and good luck on you journey with the band. If you follow the plan in the begining you will have no problems. I am very happy with the band, the only bitch I have is getting fills here in Florida, I have some horror stories. Most of the Dr's I talk to here will not do fills on people they did not do the banding on. BUT....... I will call and see what this guy says. I have been at this weight for way too long and have lost no more weight for over a year. I do really count on the band to control my eating, without I would be up shits creek without a paddle. Thanks again for the info, and if any one else has someone to do fills I would really be thankful for that info as well. Butch

I did try fill center usa a couple of years ago and they sent me to Tampa. The people where really nice, BUT........ she could not get the needle in. She went through 4 needles and even bend 1. I was sore for a week after, and really pissed OFF. So I reverted back to what I have always done.......... wait. I waited till I went back to NY and when I got the fill. I was in & out in 20 min's. That was as I said a couple of years ago and I need another fill as I have had leg problems and can't do much in the way of working out. So I am stuck at 304 to 318 lbs. I have had the band for 6 years and have lost 345 lbs. I clocked in at 645 !!!! They could have floated me down 5th ave in the Thanksgiving day Parade. I am really happy with the weight loss, but I would like to get the Pann-neck-na-me (sorry, have no idea how to spell it) but would like to get some think closer to a goal weight. I can eat too much and I know it. SO.......... that's my story, I have been in Florida (Citrus County - About 80 miles north of Tampa) for 6 years and I need someone to check out the band and do the fills, but I have tryed so many doctors. Then when Fill Center usa did not work, I lost all hope. Now I got an invite to check out this thread and I have read you guys have had good things to say about other places to get my fill and my band checked out, instead of going back up to NY. I will check it out again, I don't care about travel, I would love to find someone good down here. Thanks, Butch

It's been a while since I was on this.......... Lap-Band talk. Boy has a lot changed. First and for most........ WHO the heck is the chick on the top of every page. She was cute at first, but now she is getting annoying. I can see after a couple of days or weeks I'll be hate'in her. How come she get her Pic in the top fo every dam page ???? Maybe just the opening page, but every ONE !!!!! A little too much ego don't you think ???? You might want to tone it down a bit there skippy. Next it seems like everything else has changed, but I guess that's normal, some change is good. But I am making my way around OK, we will see. Now for Butchie Boy............. Like I said in my profile, I got banded in 02', and have lost something like 200 lbs give or take. I was never able to get below the 400 mark, I was tell'in myself, "YO Butchie, you lost 200 lbs that should be good, right ????"............ WRONG !!!!! 430 is too much weight fattie, you got to lose more, but it has taken some real soul searching to get moveing again, and I was embarressed to come on here and still not have lost anymore weight, so I stopped. Well............... I was very sick, and I thought I was going to "Buy The Farm" as they say. When the Dr put me in the hospital and I was on IV Water pills and Iron. I was so filled with water, I lost 75 lbs in the 4 days I was in the Hostipal. Then let me out and I lost another 46 lbs in the week to follow, SO.......... that was a 120 lb weight loss in 2 weeks (all in water......... "P") that's almost 13 gallons of pee-pee. I was like a ballone deflateing. Now in the following week I should be below 300 lbs for the first time since High School. MAN...... what a ride. Now I feel I can come back and tell you the band is working, and I still fool with it once in a while, but I am still loseing weight, as I can now move around and be a lot more active. I feel really good for the first time in over a year, I am glad this is over...... well almost. So I am here to say, to all you newbies, just keep working it and use your band, even after 6 years it is still working good and when I go up to New York I will get another fill and I will get to goal weight, God willing and the creek don't rise. Thanks for listening, just my 2 cents. Butch:cool:

I just got a fill last Tuesday, they took it up .6 cc's. I am now at 3.2 in a 5 cc band. I am still 370 (as of Tuesday, don't have a scale that goes that large here) and have been here for some time, I am sick of this, and have finely hit a bottom with this weight loss. I want to be more healthy, and I am not going to dick around with it till I'm 60. I am 54 now and I have a lot of free time, and the weight holds me back a lot. I want to be done with it, I have the means to be on my way. So why not take advantge of it. I told the Dr I wanted to max this thing out, I want to not be able to eat like I have been. So here I am, having to drink water slowly, and be extra careful what and how I eat, this 3.2 ain't no joke, I really can't eat. How COOL is that. I have been banded for a long time and I am now ready to make the last push to get to some kind of normal life. I am setting my goal at 200 lbs, so I have 170 to go.........................CHARGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

To Green : Thank you so much for taking my back. I could not have defended myself, or said it as eloquently as you did. The problem is not abortion, drug abuse, family or domestic abuse, morbid Obesity rape, alcohol abuse ................etc. It's not just one thing, the Gadget lady said she wanted to stop the slaughter, WELL.............. how many of these things have people dies from ??? And I mean the real deal, when they say something was child abuse or neglect, or any car wreck, or ______ fill in the blank, has drugs and or alcohol been behind it ?????? It's something like 90% of the people in jail are there for some form of crime where drug's (inclueding alcohol) where involved, either directly or indirectly. So I would say there is a social problem, BIG TIME. How can people feel safe and secure when they can afford health insurance, good housing, heat, whatever, they feel depressed and feel like giving up. When you have to make a choice between food or health insurance....... what do you think will win out ??? There are so many people in this country that can not afford to take care of them self's or there children. If the government does not care, why should the people. We should at least care about the people that vote them into office. But nooooo.......... they have to take care of the people that pony up the big bucks to there re-election campaign. That's how this country has always run, it runs on the ALMIGHTY BUCK (in other words that dirty word greed) !!!!!!! I said it before and I will say it again, you can't focus on just one issue, that's what the media want's us to do, rally around a single cause and forget the main problem. It's like........ someone going to the doctors with a digestion problem, the Dr. fixes the problem, and he keeps coming back with the same problem. Sooner or later the doctor has to ask the guy what he is doing, and the man finely tell the Dr. he is drinking lighter fluid. So then the doctor tell the guy, Stop Drinking Lighter Fluid, and you problems will go away. We in this country keep fixing the digestion problem. I wondered where the doctors got the idea on how to work there office, they keep giving you pills till you finely run out of money or you are dead from all the pills. No One Care's, it's all about the money. OK....... here you go. If you people that are focused on the abortion argument. If you wanted to make abortion illegal all you would have to do is have about a 10 billion $, and fund as many government elected people that you could with a promise of supporting them next term, as long as they out law abortion. You could have it out law-ed in just one year. OK, there you go, there is the answerer to your problem, or so you think. It will not change one blessed thing, the same people will be dyeing from drugs, smoking, sex disease, OVEREATING (that includes, heart attacks, diabetes, stroke, and a hundred other things coming from morbid obesity) , and as many people will get abortions as before. A lot of people don't seem to get it....... it's not the stomach ache, it's the drinking of the lighter fluid. I know many people will just want to keep fighting just for the sake of fighting, and will not want to get this, BUT...... I am glad there are some people on this sight (like Green) from other country's that can see that we in the US are totally NUTS. There are people all over the world who look at us and can only shake there head in complete bafflement, wondering what the heck are we thinking. Thank you again "GREEN" for you support and your thinking, keep a free mind don't sell out to the media or the government. Butch S

As to working together towards a solution, when both sides disagree on what the solution should be (one side: make abortion illegal; other side: keep abortion legal), it's unlikely that they will work together. "Quote" Gadget Lady........ Gadget - If you look beyond the tip of your nose, you will see it's not about making abortions legal or illegal, it makes very little difference one way or the other. If you don't confront the main issue, we are just blowing in the wind. Abortions are a symptom of the disease, there are a lot of others as well, female abuse, child abuse, child neglect & abandment....... etc. How can you just look at one aspect and put so much time, money and energy on this one and neglect all the others. Take a step and try and focus on the root of the disease. The root as I see it, as I have stated before is how men see the world and how they see woman, and how woman see them self's. If we change this, we can not only be done with abortion but a whole slew of other sympton's. Do you really thing if you make abortion illegal it will stop anything ???? I can even believe you or any semi-intelligent person believes this. If you make it illegal, it will just go underground. You know how illegal drugs are.....right?? Well.... you can get them on just about any corner in any town in the US, so how will this stop anything. Drugs, just like abortion is a symptom to the real disease, low and poor self esteem, not feeling like we are enough. In FACT........ that's why fatty's overeat, we are trying to fill that hole in our soul, weather it be with food, drugs, sex, whatever, if we saw our self's in a good light and felt safe in our homes and in our world, if people in charge really cared, and if greed was not a way of life how happy and secure would we all feel, and love would abound. This government wants us to feel Fear, be Afraid, to feel insecure about our life's, they want us to feel like we have only THEM between us and the dangers of a cruel world. But in truth...... it's the government that's makes us feel insecure, they don't take care of there Old, there Young, there Soldiers, there Woman, they don't take care of anyone except the 3% who have 80% of the money. You see if your rich, I mean really rich, you don't have anything to worry about. BUT, if your poor, or even lower class working stiff's, how can you make it here in the US, you work your butt off just to make ends meet, then they give you not enough money to live on for 50 years of working. Now how safe do you think that make people feel ???? Even the people with some money, the ones we use to call the middle class, are worried to death about the future and how they will make it, and the young are scared to think of the future. What if you get sick, or your child gets sick, the hospital's don't care and charge you whatever, or some don't even take you unless you have enough coverage, how safe does that make you feel. I know I said I was not coming back on here, but........ I could not help another RANT, sorry my bad, I should be keeping an even keel and thinking what would God Do ????? He would not start pointing the finger, and blaming, He would start make changes through the divine act of LOVE. Thank you for the time if you read this, and Namasta. Butch S

Below is a copy of my last post, I am copying it again as, I would like to restate it. Because, after I said this, all anyone did was argue, quoteing each other, and throwing up, Defensive walls and arranging Offence moves. Without taking any ones inventory, or hurting any ones feelings, BUT don't you think it's kind of........ a waste of time ???? I don't want to change any ones mind, but look at the poll, it seems to say a lot.... right ??? And instead of trying to change any one else's mind, Why don't we put our energy's together and work towards a solution. Try to enlighten each other, show each other how to love, by being as loving as I can be, Honest, but loving. I think this will be my last trip to this thread. Good Luck. I can see there are a lot of strong feelings on this page, and everyone is feeling they are right, and the other wrong. I ask why argue ??? It just causes disharmony and anger, if not bad feelings for the other. I am asking for us to look at the solution to this problem. The fact is that abortion is the after fact to the problem. As I have said before, if mothers felt good about having there children, and if they where promised the care and help to become a strong healthy mother, and how to be an example of strength and love to her child, and to herself, how much of a better person she would be. Then she will have no need to rely on a man to fulfill her, and she will demand a strong man of good moral fiber who will be a farther and a husband, not just someone to make a baby. These young woman are out there on there own (so to speak) feeling like they are less then, and all they are is a sex toys, they are not smart and don't have to be, if they are good looking according to Madison Avenue. But the ones that can't make the cut, and are not good looking or FAT (God for bid) all they have is there body, or a part of there body they are willing to allow any man into just to feel like they are wanted, because we, society, do not tell them they are worth it, because they don't have the right stuff to wear or the right body type, or the right height, hair, legs hips, eyes,........etc. If you don't make it by our measuring stick, well.... back to the end of the line, because the best you will be able to do is get someone to marry you, any one, in fact as long as they are willing to have you, you better jump at it. I ask why are we telling our young woman this lode of crap ???? Why is it imperative to brutalize our woman, and treat them like Kleenex people, take one blow, and throw away. Watch TV (the idiot box) or movies, or God Forbid, watch music videos, you will see how "Wonder Land" (the powers that be in Hollywood or where ever) see and acts towards our woman. They are NOT sex toys or Kleenex people. They are divine children of God, and as soon as we start treating them as such you will see a huge drop in abortions and many other things like rape, abuse, ..........etc. A lot of our social problems rise from this. Men are not accountable for there actions, in fact they are looked up to and rewarded for it. If we start to look at the REAL PROBLEM we will see where this leads to many, many problems. I agree that we need a spiritual awaking, BUT you just can't run around thumping people with the Bible, and beating them half to death with your "Jesus Bat". We have to love them first, love them & understand them where they are, and what they are. Then we can show them by example how to live and how to love. If I had one wish, I would wish that our government where not so greedy, and we could spend our money, on our problems here at home. Not to say we would not have plenty of money left for others. Has anyone here any idea what a trillion looks like ????? I think there would be a lot to cover what needs to be done, as long as we kept the greedy people out of the mix. So my one wish would be to have greed out of government and society, LOL, Fat Chance, right ????? If I made any sense.... Thank you for Reading. If Didn't I am sorry, sometimes I have too many thoughts in my head and they get mixed up, too many drugs from the 60's, LOL. Peace. Butch S __________________

I can see there are a lot of strong feelings on this page, and everyone is feeling they are right, and the other wrong. I ask why argue ??? It just causes disharmony and anger, if not bad feelings for the other. I am asking for us to look at the solution to this problem. The fact is that abortion is the after fact to the problem. As I have said before, if mothers felt good about having there children, and if they where promised the care and help to become a strong healthy mother, and how to be an example of strength and love to her child, and to herself, how much of a better person she would be. Then she will have no need to rely on a man to fulfill her, and she will demand a strong man of good moral fiber who will be a farther and a husband, not just someone to make a baby. These young woman are out there on there own (so to speak) feeling like they are less then, and all they are is a sex toys, they are not smart and don't have to be, if they are good looking according to Madison Avenue. But the ones that can't make the cut, and are not good looking or FAT (God for bid) all they have is there body, or a part of there body they are willing to allow any man into just to feel like they are wanted, because we, society, do not tell them they are worth it, because they don't have the right stuff to wear or the right body type, or the right height, hair, legs hips, eyes,........etc. If you don't make it by our measuring stick, well.... back to the end of the line, because the best you will be able to do is get someone to marry you, any one, in fact as long as they are willing to have you, you better jump at it. I ask why are we telling our young woman this lode of crap ???? Why is it imperative to brutalize our woman, and treat them like Kleenex people, take one blow, and throw away. Watch TV (the idiot box) or movies, or God Forbid, watch music videos, you will see how "Wonder Land" (the powers that be in Hollywood or where ever) see and acts towards our woman. They are NOT sex toys or Kleenex people. They are divine children of God, and as soon as we start treating them as such you will see a huge drop in abortions and many other things like rape, abuse, ..........etc. A lot of our social problems rise from this. Men are not accountable for there actions, in fact they are looked up to and rewarded for it. If we start to look at the REAL PROBLEM we will see where this leads to many, many problems. I agree that we need a spiritual awaking, BUT you just can't run around thumping people with the Bible, and beating them half to death with your "Jesus Bat". We have to love them first, love them & understand them where they are, and what they are. Then we can show them by example how to live and how to love. If I had one wish, I would wish that our government where not so greedy, and we could spend our money, on our problems here at home. Not to say we would not have plenty of money left for others. Has anyone here any idea what a trillion looks like ????? I think there would be a lot to cover what needs to be done, as long as we kept the greedy people out of the mix. So my one wish would be to have greed out of government and society, LOL, Fat Chance, right ????? If I made any sense.... Thank you for Reading. If Didn't I am sorry, sometimes I have too many thoughts in my head and they get mixed up, too many drugs from the 60's, LOL. Peace. Butch S

At first I was angry that this was posted and so many people want to use this as a platform to get there tiny voice heard. BUT............ I started to read some...... well most of the post's, I was wondering how I would put my belife's on this post. Well I will try. There is a lot of people in this world 9 billion and riseing. Most of them are not in this country, but there are many, many unwanted baby's anywhere you look. OK, let's me be as honest as I can be, trying not piss anyone off too much. I had a friend buy a healthy white male child through a lawer (it was all on the up & up) for something like 20K. Now that is a nice chunk of change, but remember this is a healthy white baby. NOW......... I wonder what a deformed black child would bring ???? Or maybe not deformed, just a black baby, how much do you think someone would pay for this child ??? Now......... where do these children come from ??? Not kid farms, they come from a place where there are way too many children and not enought people to take care of them. Without social reform and all the money that could be helping match adults with children, or allow the mothers to keep there children in a safe house with other mothers and maybe some older ladys helping those young girls care and raise there kids. Maybe if this where possable there would be less abortions and a lot healthyer kids and mothers. But how can you fix something like this with no fedral funding. But....... if the goverment get involved you will have every fat cat with his grubby little hands in the pot and nothing will ever get done. I blame a lot of this on GREED. We need social reform to help solve this, and with all the money going to the middle east in hopes to control the oil, nothing is left for the people to better there lives. I don't believe in telling someone what to do with there unborn baby, unless I am willing to keep the child myself. If I tell some young woman to not get an abortion, I better have a dam good reason, better then guilting her into doing something else, something that will not only ruin the child's life but the mother's as well. I have to come up with something better. If I am not willing to take personal responsabilty for the mother and the child, holding the mothers hand through the birth and everything leading up to it, and then taking care of the child till the correct age. If I am not willing to do this, then I have no right telling that woman what to do with her unborn child. We are so quick to go pointing fingers, and shouting sinner, we forget about the person who has to deal with this. I need to help that person, help her find the way and means to raise that child in a SAFE and healthy house, with full medical care for both. How can you expect to stand up for the unborn child at the cost of the woman. And then just leave that child to the winds of the world...... abuse, sexual, phycial, and mental, neglect, the feelings of not being wanted, just a throw away life, that is unless they are a healthy white child, then he or she is worth 20K. I would like both mother and child to stay together. But with out safe houseing and medical care, and income till the child is in school, and help with how to be a good mother. Without this.......... I say it's better not to have the child at all. You might say this impossiable ???? I say no, but it must start with the goverment standing up and doing what is correct for it's people. Get people in control of the money who know what morals are, and who have an idea of what needs to be done and what things cost, and to oversee the money and make sure it is used wisely. I might be a dreamer, an old Hippie, but we could do this, just stop spending all our money on stupid stuff, like.......... war to name just one. If you read this and understood and of it, Thank You, if I was not making any sense....... just know I grew up in the 60's and tend to think a little differently. Butch S.

No way man, don't not have the band done, you might figure out how to beat the band, (By grazing and eating soft foods) But with the right adjustment you won't be able to do even that. I would tell you to have it done and for as long a possiable not eat till you throw up. You want to have the band firmly in place, and it takes about 4 to 5 weeks. When they tell you to start eating regular food, beleive me, you will know right away what you can eat and what you can't. Even for as long as I have had this band I ate some micro eggs 2 days ago, and I did not chew that good.......... and some of the eggs got stuck in the hole. Well....... for almost all of the day I could not eat anything, shit, I could hardly drink. When I mean drink, I mean drink like we fatty's drink, we guzzle down whatever. I had to take little drinks and I was fine, except I could not eat, whatever I ate I threw up. I then figured, this was a good thing and it started me on a couple of really good day, with protine shakes in the morning, 1/2 sandwhich for lunch, and a modest dinner, if any. So it worked out good, but either way on the 19th I am going for a fill in NY, and try to have it maxed out. I am now after 5 years ready to have this done, I want to be done with this weight. NOW........... about why we eat so much, who knows, we do. They can put any name they want on it but, we are fat because we eat too dam much, way beyond any normal sense of the word, we are eating our self's to death. Just like the alcoholic who can't (or does not want to stop drinking) OR, the drug addict who uses........ whatever...... and keeps useing till he is either dead or in jail, takeing everyone with them. If there is anyone left. We fatty's, are just like that, we use food like a addict uses heroin, we keep useing till we hit a bottom. Sometimes the addict can hide his useing for a long time, but with us fatty's there ain't no hiding, no matter how much black we wear, LOL. You ever see a fatty swimming in a pool with a big Ol' shirt over there bathing suit ????? They think they are hiding something, like no one can tell they'er fat under the tee shirt. LOL. How stupid can we be........... telling our self's if I wear big shirts and baggin stuff, no one will be able to tell we're fat. We joke about it here at home, we are all fat here some more then others (OK I am at the top of the list, For now), LOL. We don't hide our fat, if your fat you might as well be honest about it. Like, when someone say's, "Man, My Feet Hurt", I will say: "You Know Why Your Feet Hurt ??", "It's Cause Your FAT". Anyway............ we can't hide being fat, when we're fat, everyone see's it. Not that I let people hurt my feeling anymore, I am through with that shit. If someone makes a off color, or a rude comment about me being fat and I take it to heart......... Well they better look out, because they are about to get the same back, and I can be just as crud as they are, and maybe a little more. Why is it OK to to insult fat people, but you will let some hard ass or bully walk around and not say anything to him or her. Anyway............ it's time we as fat people start to tell the truth about ourself's to ourself's. We are the first person we have to tell the truth to. NO MORE DENILE, no more lieing about what or how much we eat, no more hiding our eating. I would do this thing, I called it the "Glen Cove, figure 8." there was a Micky D's across the street for Wendy's, so I would order 2 different meals, one from each drive-in. I was thinking...... I did not want the person taking the order's to think I was too fat and all the food I was ordering was for ME. So I would split it between the 2 places........ NOW how sick is that !!!!!!! I cared about some pimple faced kid taking orders for $6 an hour. BOY HOW CRAZY CAN WE BE !!!!! Butch

I am with you, I love to eat. No matter what it is I eat it to excess, One time, I had a box of chocolot donuts in the back of my work van, well someone was coming so I hide them under a rag that had fuel oil on it, as this was the business I was in. The fuel oil soked into the box and the donuts. Well......... I went back to trying to eat my donuts in peace and found them to have a really bad flavor to them....... they had fuel oil soked into them, UCK..... So what did I do........ as compulsive overeaters, you can guess, I ate them, every last one, and ended up sick. Now I know I was sick, sick with the disease of addiction, I am addicted to eating. Another time I was going to a get together and stopped for a dozen donuts at the good Ol'donut place. Well, I had gotten 2 dozen and ate one on the way to the party, and then when I got there....... made a big deal on what donut to I would love to have, How Sick........ RIGHT???? Now as reguards to this apron swing, or flopping as it where. I was hopping I would lose weight before the dam thing got to hang too much or that it might tighten back up. Well........ that was because I was in denile. I know now that this 80 lb swing fat covering my gentials is not going to magicly shrink away, it's there to stay. That is, unless I have it removed. Which I am going to do as soon as I get to 300 lbs. Then....... once the apron is gone I will quickly lose some fast weight, like..... if it where done today, I would lose a quick 80 to 90 lbs, this mother is really big. Some times I have to remember what my gentails look like and lift that mother and have a look, LOL. Maybe I could us this as an excersize, and upper body workout, LOL. Butch

LOL......... Now that gave me a big laugh, "That Swing", If I don't where tight fitting jeans, I got that swing BIG TIME. Sometimes I make it swing back and forth in from of the kid and my wife, and tell them how would like to deal with this, LOL, or I hang it out over my pants and make everyone go EUHhhhhh. It's like all my weight went south. You know........ from the waste up I almost look normal, I mean normal for a fatty. But........... below the waste I have got this huge hanging blob, swinging back and forth as I walk. That is too funny. I think if more people on this page talked about the funny and the not-so-funny things about being fat, it would be a lot more bearable. All the wishy-washy bullshit that a lot of people talk about don't get it for me. I like to be honest and stright to the point. Calling a Spade A Spade to coin a saying. I also have many horror story's reguarding dealing with being a fatty. You can't go around in life weighting 500 to 600 lbs and not have shit happen. One that sticks out is: A time I was at Great Adventure in New Jersey. We went on this train roll-a-coster. Well when I got on the bar would not come down, so I tryed to hold it down. Now you got to remember this place is packed, and there is a line 6 deep waiting to get on. So when the guy's come to me and find the bar is not down they try to stand on it to get it to click. But with 2 guy's standing on the bar I was still too fat, it would not come down. They finely gave up and said I would have to get off. So in front of the whold train, and all the 100's of people waiting to get on I had to make that lonely 100 yard walk all alone. I felt like dieing right there. So what did I do ??????? I went right to the vender and got 3 corn dogs and a soda to drown the pain. I laughed and joked about it later, but I was so ashamed I could have died. LOL, that what I was doing.... killing my self a forkful at a time, or a corn dog at a time. That is just one of many, many stories. and I am sure we all have a ton more. Keep it real and tell the truth, forsake denile. Butch

You know it ain't just you, or what you posted. I have been around this weight for a couple of years now, and I could have gotten an ajustment anytime, but I wanted to eat, well not like I use to, but at least on some stuff. Now, when I go to NY for my ajustment I am going to have them max the band out !!!!!! Now I won't beable to eat much beyond half meals at a time........ if that. I guess we all go through this stuff, we just have to honest with our self's, and tell myself and others I am not ready, but I am will to do it when the time is correct. For me.... the time is correct. I am 55 and there is a lot I want to do, by God's Grace I am retired and have a wonderful life here in Florida, but I can't do all the things I want to do. What am I going to sit around on my 350 lbs ass and settel for a half life ???? I don't think so. Now is the time and I want more of life then being a fatty, and not being able to walk far or if I do walk a lot I am in a lot of pain. So, I do understand overeating, infact it's my favoret past time, LOL. I just will have to eat it slower and only half as much. Butch

Let's face it ladies, we didn't get here my eating too much fruit, or having an extra of helping at dinner. There is something about swallowing that give us that sense of safety, or some kind of satisfaction. And we do it over and over again, and again, till we are either sick or there is nothing left. If you want to call it a "Bing Disorder" go right ahead, what I call it is just compulsive overeating, that comes in spurts. I don't know if it is real binging, but........ It’s that I have found a safe place with no one around so I can eat my fill. I use to go home from therapy on Tuesday night and pick up 2 pints of Ice Cream, and then when I got home I ordered a pizza. Then I would sit in front of the TV with no one else home and "go to town". You see..... If I could do that all day I would, but there things that get in the way.... like work, cleaning, going to meetings, shopping, etc....... So when I got home from these life things, I would: "Eat Like I Was Going TO The Chair". Whatever you want to call it, we are eating our self’s to death. Now as far as being Band'ed, I have been banded since 2002, and I have lost 250 lbs. OK that is nice and I can somewhat pass for a normal person, but........ I am still 370 lbs and need to lose another 200 lbs. If the Band worked perfectly, I would be my goal weight, but I play this game we all play called: "Beat The Band". And I am really good at it, not that I am proud of this, but I tell the truth, and come what may. So I am so good that I know what I can eat and what I can't eat. I stay far away from Rice, large Pasta, meat ...etc we know the food we can't eat. But....... I love to go to the movies and eat a large buttered pop corn, you can eat the stuffing out of that, and candy, and ice cream, you know...... soft stuff, I do this for a couple of years, and now I am tired of it and want to be some kind of normal weight. I also need a "Pannnectamy" (the removal of the Pannis, the LARGE fold of skin in front of your genitals) what I have now is like wearing a 80 lb tool belt and it kills my back and keeps me from doing the exercise I need to lose more weight and to keep some kind of fitness. It really bugs me when fatty's are in denial, and they would like to blame it on some kind of "Disorder". This way we don't have to take responsibility for our weight and eating. OK, we have some stuff from the past like: Sexual Abuse, Physical Abuse, Abandonment, Neglect, ............. all kinds of shit, but we can't hold on to it forever, we must grow past it, and take responsibility for our own lives. I meet a woman who had the band and was so freaked out about not being able to overeat, she had them go back inside and remove it. She made all kinds of bullshit excuses, but I knew the truth (takes one to know one) she had no other way to deal with her issue's, so she had to back to eating. How sad. The there was another woman, who ended up losing all kinds of weight but clung to the fact of looking good was all life was about, she just switched addictions, now she is planning body surgery like every other month, very sick, just switched addictions. What I did was to do this slowly and went to OA meetings and talked to people just like me, but I told the truth, no more bullshit, no more denial, no more living under a rock, we are fat, and that is all there is about it, take me as I am, I am proud to claim I am an ENLIGHTEN FAT PERSON. Thank God Butch

I will have to ask you "Billie" How much do you weigh ??? I ask this because....... if you are really fat like I am/was, you don't really have to answere the qustion. Because everyone know's the answere, and it's YES. You are killing yourself with a fork. It's slower then a gun or a jump, or pills, but killing yourself it is. I am not wanting to pee in your corn flakes, BUT.......... let's wake up and smell the coffee, being as fat as some of us are, is wanting to die, just on the installment plan. If you are way fat (like me) and you contniue to...... "eat like your going to the chair". Then that is a death wish, plain and simple. I think if we start looking at ourself's in a truer light, it will make us more honest with ourself's and than we can start being honest in others areas of our lives. We fatty's live in a world of denile and don't want to be woken up. We make excuses and lie so much that we start to believe them ourself's. We tell others......... "well, I don't eat that much, I hardly ever eat breakfast, and I just have a salad for lunch". WELL, "Billie" that is just a load of crap, we have eaten 3 breakfast's, and maybe we had a salad for lunch, but after that we stopped at a fast food drive thru and ordered up a, "Big Ol'Bag Full" and ate it on the way back to work or home. It takes a lot of work and food to keep this kind of weight on, and we think we got everyone bam-boozeled, but the only one we are kidding is ourself's. I am saying this to you Miss Billie, but I am also saying it to all the other fatties out there who are asleep and in a blissful state of denile, and refuse to wake the heck up. I wish I had woken up a lot sooner then at age 50 !!!!!! I am working on this everyday, and someday's are better then others, and sometimes I am in this mode of self-destruct, and others I am in love with "Butchie" and want to eat correct. At least I am at the 50/50 mark and just need a little push. That little push will happen in June when I get another fill, and this time I will max it out. Then I will beable to lose the extra fat and get a pacemaker installed. I hope you where not too offended by this, but than again............. Butch Seaman

I can't help it, but I am too old to not be blunt, or honest, as I see it anyway. I think we have all thought of taking the "PIPE" now and again, and I don't mean the chubbies, the ones that only have a few lbs to lose, I am glad for them that they can get the band and lose the weight in a couple of month's or even a year. I mean the real "Heavy Weight's", the ones that have over 1/2 there self to lose, the ones who's are kind of sick, FAT. Like ME !!!! I hate to say it but in the last 25 years I have lose something like 2000 lbs. 200 off & then 200 back on. On every diet knowen to man, they all worked and I was look'in good, but those feelings of not being worth it, and even though I was 250 lbs, I still felt like I was 500 lbs ????? What's UP with That ?? I would look at Pic's of me and say WOW is that really ME, then the feelings of not fitting in and not being worth breathing the same air as everyone else. Even though I have had many years of therphy, I still was fighting the Low Self Esteem, but today I think I have growned up a bit, and now I am an "Enlighten FAT Person", and I am not going back to sleep, I will not lie to myself or to others, and I will see things as they are to me, and If I don't understand them I will ask for help. Like I said, I am too old to try and fool myself anymore. At 54 I am finely growing up. Hopefully I can lose the rest of this weight and have the excess skin taken off and start to have a normal life for the first time in 50 years, I have paid my dues. Love to all, Butch Seaman

I have said it once and I will say it again, MORBID OBESITY is in fact comitting suicide. Being really FAT is wanting to DIE weather you admit it or not. Some where, some time you think I ain't worth this so you figure you might as well kill yourself a fork full at a time. Just like the alcoholic might not want to kill him him or her self, but when the doctor say's if you don't stop drinking you will die, and you keep drinking. Well.......... what do you call that ???? I call it SUICIDE. So............when the doctor tell you, you have got to lose weight or you will die, and you keep eating. What do you call they ???? I call that SUICIDE as well. Now I am not talking about you chubby's out there who have something like a 100 lbs to lose, or something like that, I am talking about the really FATTIES, the over 300 or 400 club. You might not have said: Gee, I want to kill myself today, but by your actions and you behaivor you are saying I want to DIE, I am not worth Living. I know this is a tuff qustion and not a lot of us want to admit this openly, but admit it or not........... the truth is you are killing youself just by eating the way we do. This is not a fun or popular subject to talk about, and nobody wants to admit they really want to die, but let's face the fact people......... we had better start to be honest with ourself's if we are doing this. I know 2 people who after getting banded, one had a nervious breakdown, and the other freaked out so much she had the BAND REMOVED !!!!!! Now that's to me seems crazy. But, if we are really ready to do this, we have to start to look at why we are eating ourself's to death, and admit we have this death wish. I call myself an "Enlighten Fat Person", because I admit that I am fat and know what I can do and what I can't do. Before my enlightenment, I would sit in those plastic chairs and have them break, or....... God Help Me....... go on a ride at Great Adventure's and not be able to fit in the sit with the safty bar down, and then have to get off the ride in front of 100's of people. Now I ask you....... is that an enlighten fat person ??? I think not. Today, I know, I am fat and I don't try and hid it or avoid the topic of eating or or weight. If I am out, I eat like I do at home, I don't try and just have a salad, and then on the way home, gorge myself at burger king or the like. That was NUTS, and it was making me NUTS, all the hiding and sneaking, NO MORE, if I am eating I will eat what I like and not try to blow smoke up people's butt, having them think... "Gee What Is Wrong With Butch ?? He Hardly Eats At All !!!!! No More lies, and deseat, I am what I am....... FAT. And I Eat Too Much. Today I can't eat the way I once did, because of the Life saving BAND. But...... even though I lost 200+ lbs I am still Fat, I still weigh 370 and have another 100 lbs before I can get a Pannic-ta-me. That's where they remove the spare tire (that's a TRUCK TIRE) from around the middle of me. I am going for a max fill this June and I am going to lose this last part fast, I have to be rid of this, I am at a place where it's been too long. I have been Banded for 4+ years and I am too old to wait. Sorry to be so blunt, but let's not blow smoke up each others BUTT, and start saying the truth about ourself's and being FAT. Butch Seaman

Hello fellow Banisters - My name is Butch and I have not been here (LBT) in awhile, some months in fact. Anyway............... I am just checking back in (do to a nice email I got saying I have not been here in awhile), and seeing what is happing out there in the world of banister's. I can see a lot has not really changed, the names have changed to protect the innocent, LOL. I live in Citrus County Florida, between Inverness & Crystal River, if you don't know where that is, it's about 90 miles north of Tampa. I got my Ban installed in New York on, Feb 02 and have lost like 200 lbs, I know that is a lot, but.... I still have another 200 to go (I still weight 400 lbs). I have been at this place for some years now and have had 2 fills with no luck. I had to go back to NY to get these fills, as there was no place in Florida to get them. I went to a place outside of Tampa, and they could not do it as I was over 400 lbs and there table did not hold fatty's who where 400+. So I went to NY, and they did it. Then I heard of fillcenterUSA and called them, they sent me to Tampa and the lady there could not do the fill, even after 45 min's of sticking me with a number of needles, one she even bent trying to get the port. Well, I stopped payment on the check to fill center and went back to NY, where I got the fill in like 10 min's time, I could not see what the problem was in Tampa. Anyway........... all that said, to say I have 2.5 cc in the Ban now, and you would think that would do it. Well, I am sorry to say, someday's I can eat quite a bit, I know I manipulate the Ban and drink during meals, but if there was a place close by where I could get a fill and if it was too much I could go right back and have it adjusted. However, with the only people who have done my fills are in NY, I am kind of nervious about getting too much. I wish there was a place, close by where I could build a relationship with, and could do the fills and maybe I would be able to get rid of this excess tonnage. There is one other problem that I am having and that is the fact that after losing the first 200 lbs, the rest of the fat has settled in a pouch hanging in front of my.............. middle? It's like having a 90 lb apron on. I do as much as I can in the way of excessive, but anything out of the pool is just hell on my back and my legs. Ooooooooh what a tangled web I have gotten myself into. I guess it's some of the past Karma stuff I must pay for, it makes life very difficult, and it makes love making almost impossible. Thank God for a loving and understanding wife of 28 years. I looked into some plastic surgery and they said I would have to lose more weight to get this done............ Am I crying in my milk ?????? If this was someone else, I would be the first one to ask them, "Are you Pissing, or Moaning ??, I can't tell ???". LOL. Anyway just thought I would tell all of the Fellow Banisters my tale of woe. If I had it to do all over again ?? I would only change one thing, and that would be...................... getting the Ban here in Florida where I live now. When I first got the Ban installed I had no idea how much aftercare I would need, I guess hindsight in 20/20, right?? I have had this Ban a long time and it is part of my life, maybe that's the problem, I know how to work around it, when I can eat, and when I can't. I can still eat almost a full meal out, if I order the right stuff and eat it very slow. I also don't do flesh, maybe a little fish, and sometimes chicken when all that is all there is. I think I have not been on LBT because I am kind of embaressed of the amount of time I have had the Ban and have been in this place for OH SO LONG. I did make a post on the Florida Banister's page, seeing if anyone there knows of any other place I might go to get a fill. With that said I will try everyday and eat less and do more, the only way to lose weight. Butch

Hello fellow Floridians - My name is Butch and I have not been here (LBT) in awhile, some months in fact. Anyway............... I am just checking back in (do to a nice email I got saying I have not been here in awhile), and seeing what is happing out there in the world of banister's. I can see a lot has not really changed, the names have changed to protect the innocent, LOL. I live in Citrus County Florida, between Inverness & Crystal River, if you don't know where that is, it's about 90 miles north of Tampa. I got my Ban installed in New York on, Feb 02 and have lost like 200 lbs, I know that is a lot, but.... I still have another 200 to go (I still weight 400 lbs). I have been at this place for some years now and have had 2 fills with no luck. I had to go back to NY to get these fills, as there was no place in Florida to get them. I went to a place outside of Tampa, and they could not do it as I was over 400 lbs and there table did not hold fatty's who where 400+. So I went to NY, and they did it. Then I heard of fillcenterUSA and called them, they sent me to Tampa and the lady there could not do the fill, even after 45 min's of sticking me with a number of needles, one she even bent trying to get the port. Well, I stopped payment on the check to fill center and went back to NY, where I got the fill in like 10 min's time, I could not see what the problem was in Tampa. Anyway........... all that said, to say I have 2.5 cc in the Ban now, and you would think that would do it. Well, I am sorry to say, someday's I can eat quite a bit, I know I manipulate the Ban and drink during meals, but if there was a place close by where I could get a fill and if it was too much I could go right back and have it adjusted. However, with the only people who have done my fills are in NY, I am kind of nervious about getting too much. I wish there was a place, close by where I could build a relationship with, and could do the fills and maybe I would be able to get rid of this excess tonnage. There is one other problem that I am having and that is the fact that after losing the first 200 lbs, the rest of the fat has settled in a pouch hanging in front of my.............. middle? It's like having a 90 lb apron on. I do as much as I can in the way of excessive, but anything out of the pool is just hell on my back and my legs. Ooooooooh what a tangled web I have gotten myself into. I guess it's some of the past Karma stuff I must pay for, it makes life very difficult, and it makes love making almost impossible. Thank God for a loving and understanding wife of 28 years. Am I crying in my milk ?????? If this was someone else, I would be the first one to ask them, "Are you Pissing, or Moaning, I can't tell ???". LOL. Anyway just thought I would tell all of the Florida Banisters my tale of woe. If I had it to do all over again ?? I would only change one thing, and that would be...................... getting the Ban here in Florida where I live now. When I first got the Ban installed I had no idea how much aftercare I would need, I guess hindsight in 20/20, right?? Butch