ChelceyA

i know of Dr. Kuri and Dr. Almanza's arrests....thanks though! Good luck with what you are trying to do. I just don't think it will amount to anything....correct me if I'm wrong, they are still practicing no...anyway, whatever...I have no agenda....I'm done! To my knowledge Kuri and Huacuz have not been to trial yet. I am unaware of Almanza being arrested, just that his recovery homes were shut down. The plastic surgeon has been to trial and he is in prison now. Another bariatric surgeon (not in TJ) is also in prison, actually... 7 of them are. Not all bariatric surgeons though, for organ trafficking. In the US their med mal pays out, in Mexico they go to prison AND their med mal pays.

Dr. Kuri has been arrested by the federales. Dr. Huacuz has been RE-arrested (the first time it was for a botched plastic surgery he did, this time it is for his bariatric lack of skills.) And a 3rd surgeon, a plastic surgeon has been arrested. Dr. Almanza had 2 recovery homes shut down by the federales due to a fatality and illegal drugs. You really need to open a fogging book, do a google search, know what you speak of before typing or you continue to show your agenda and lack of basic knowledge. As soon as I figure out how to close this account, I will stop posting, I assure you.

Honey, I have gone toe to toe with MANY TJ surgeons. Know what you speak of before you open your mouth. How the heck to I close this account???

I have what I need. I You have to get down to basics. How much does it cost the surgeon to do a surgery. The cost of staples alone is astonishing. The cost of the hospital, the cost of paid and trained staff.. you can't do it for $3500. It is impossible. Surgeons that do cheap surgery tend to use black market supplies, veterinary equipment from China, etc. You get what you pay for, that is the bottom line. You want cheap surgery? You take risks. We are talking common sense here. Yes, I had read about the staple expense thing, so I did ask about the brand, etc. and asked about it locally (I work in healthcare consulting.) My surgery was $4500, which yes, was cheap. My local quote was over 18k. I'm no groupie and definitely am not looking to add any more drama to the fire, I just wanted to know if you had specific examples of cut corners so that I could talk to dr illan and my pcp to see if I should be worried. ' Now..... do you honestly believe a surgeon using veterinary supplies or black market supplies will come clean with you? Seriously? I am through with this thread. I am through with this site. I have never seen such sheer ignorance in my life. I have what I need. I *am* going to follow through with formal complaints to the proper authorities regardless of Susan's PMs to me. I know that I have the knowledge of how to do this so I will. If you go to Illan just know, you are looking for cheap surgery. Not safe surgery.

I do believe you have forgotten your own words. You claim those who go to Mexico are just trying to save a few bucks. Most people in the US have no bariatric insurance. They either go to Mexico or they sit at home and die of obesity. I would caution you to be careful when you choose your words. You have done this repeatedly lately.

You have to get down to basics. How much does it cost the surgeon to do a surgery. The cost of staples alone is astonishing. The cost of the hospital, the cost of paid and trained staff.. you can't do it for $3500. It is impossible. Surgeons that do cheap surgery tend to use black market supplies, veterinary equipment from China, etc. You get what you pay for, that is the bottom line. You want cheap surgery? You take risks. We are talking common sense here.

Shall we discuss affiliations? Board certification means someone passed a test in their field of specialty. I find it nothing less than amusing that nobody has brought of the fact that Mexico has board certification in bariatrics and is Dr. Illan board certified? Why no, he is not. If your Mexican surgeon is not board certified in bariatrics, do not go to him. It's really basic common sense. Something that is clearly lacking in this thread. Who would want to be a bariatric surgeon and not board certified? I'll tell you who. Someone who has yet been able to pass the darn test! I know that these organizations' names sound impressive. But they are not certifying or licensing organizations. Instead, they are professional associations -- which doctors may elect to join or not. Yes, they sound lovely -- and I'm sure they do add value. However, having these letters after your name mostly means you enjoy socializing with other doctors, that you may have (little p) political aspirations within your profession, and that you and your spouse would like to take a tax-deductible vacation annually at wherever these organizations hold their annual convention. Again, I'm not dis'ing the organizations. But doctors join them voluntarily. They are not mandatory in any way. Nor are they required by any medical licensing organization. They are professional / social organizations. These organizations are similar to the American Bar Association (for lawyers), the American Institute of Certified Public Accountants (for CPAs), and the American Institute of Architects (for architects). Board certified is the exception to the rule. Are the letters required to preform surgery? To "preform" surgery? No. to "preform" safe surgery, yes.

Groupies have no need, they just are. They typically have unhealthy relationships in all aspects of their lives. Yeah, I have to call you on this one. The economy is bad in case you haven't noticed. Many go to Mexico for very safe surgery so they might have a chance to live their lives. Shame on you for downing basic medical care. Perhaps you are unaware, you can choose not to open and read an 80 page thread. Shocking! I know! Okay. I'll write it. Don't go to Dr. Illan. He's a cheap ass surgeon in a crap and dangerous city who cuts corners to make for... cheap ass surgery. Seriously, you don't question how he cuts corners to make cheap surgery? Really? Feel free to graze, hundreds of thousands of people to go Mexico for medical and dental care ANNUALLY. If you had a choice to go to a good surgeon in MX or die, what would you choose? Seriously, stop being an ass. It doesn't look good on you. Oh okay I thought it was based on fact. I checked and every surgeon listed with Kaiser WLA had MD after their name. Maybe its different in other places or locations. I guess that is a good selling point for surgeons if you have to solicit patients. Seriously? You really don't get it? MD means they graduated from college. The rest are affiliations. I would damn sure hope Kaiser surgeons graduated from college. GAWD!

Bingo! I really really like you. Read loud and clear. I absolutely double dawg DARE her to do that to me. Go ahead, darlen... I'm waiting. Oh for God's sakes! SHUT THE FUCK UP! Yeah, let's chat about Illan. He's a cheap surgeon, he cuts corners to make cheap surgery. He is unsafe... yeah, I wrote it! He is a chit, inexperienced surgeon in a chit city doing cheap surgery. Shut up for God's sake.

Chelsey. You need not do this. I can assure you, this is already being done. I have more information than what has been shared on here. The more the merrier!

Would you please PM me a link for this information? I am collecting data to turn over to the proper authorities in Mexico and this would help a great deal. I am not good at researching legal issues. Thanks!

Does anyone else wonder if "Thin MAN" or BWhite is really Omar? if you reread some of these posts it is almost bragging, not defending. I'm still left scratching my head trying to figure out who is real and who isn't. Sooooo, are you a lawyer or a judge? Which one? You speak from a position of formal education on the topic so I was just wondering which is your field of expertise. Give it a Break. Illan made a fully informed choice to hire a known gang member, felon, with a known history of taking advantage of vulnerable women alone in a strange country for major surgery. He knew Omar had been fired for this very behavior from another surgeon. But hey... Omar can get him $$$ so who cares about the patients. It's the bank account Illan cares about. He gets what he gets. I plan to personally see to it that the proper authorities are notified of his business practices. Don't blame the ladies here, blame ME and I don't even have a dog in this fight. But I'm going for it anyway. Someone needs to stop both Illan and Omar from such horrific lack of ethics and I decided I want the job. Call it self appointed if you wish. Honey, I would urge you to leave Kelly out of this. Kelly makes Omar look like a saint but that is a topic for another thread. I would suggest you not 'go' there and instead, keep that tail between your legs and head out as you have repeatedly promised. You have already clearly demonstrated that you are in so far over your head people point and giggle when referring to you. You do more for the Susan supporters than you do your best booty call partner, Omar. You have done him so much harm I was even wondering if these are people posting in support of Omar when really they are trying to harm him but I rethought that. You simply are not intelligent enough to pull it off. You really are an Omar groupie. You have made many accusations but you have been completely and totally unable to defend those accusations. That is because you are a liar. A dishonest, booty call partner, liar. You have outed yourself, shamed yourself, harmed your buddy Omar and due to social challenges you don't even see it. HA! You do make me smile when I read your rantings. So what? Your point? What you are suggesting here is that not only is Omar exempt from basic Medical Ethics, so is Illan. Guess what? He's not exempt, neither of them are. That is a reality you will have to deal with. Damn sure you do! When it comes to Medical Ethics it most certainly DOES matter and your worship of those involved do not change reality. But you wouldn't be suspicious of a US surgeon? Honey, you might not want to have anymore surgery of any type anywhere. You are too naive. I never fail to be amazed at the naivety of people when it comes to doctors anywhere.

Darl'en, get your quotes straight. I never wrote any such comment. I have never met Omar nor do I have any desire to. As for both sides of the story, is this what you wrote? ~~Once I got out of the hospital and in the hotel, he had me. Hook. Line. Sinker. ~~ I will ask you again, if Omar is to be excused for practicing the most basic of Medical Ethics so you could get a booty call, what other Medical Ethics should he be excused from? You know, the same ethics as every other MD or office staff? Why should he be excused and permitted to ditch all common sense and basic Medical Ethics yet others need to follow them? However, I thank you for the story so we have more to add to the list when a report is submitted to the proper authorities. The more the better, right?

Sorry, I don't believe this. Merely being in the country illegally is not something they put you in prison for and call you a felon. Are you sure his GANG affiliations had nothing to do with his prison time? The taxpayers have paid dearly for him, I hope he rots in Mexico. You were in a hotel in TJ after surgery so you were a patient. It's not like you went to TJ to visit him, you were a patient. Question for you, what other Medical Ethics are okay for Omar to disregard? I mean, the rules don't apply to him so what else shall we excuse regarding Omar's behavior? It doesn't matter one single itty bitty iota if you were willing or not. It changes nothing. HE should have had enough respect for you and his job to keep his penis where it belonged. But he doesn't, he doesn't respect anything or anyone. Honestly, the more I read the more disgusted I am with Illan. I came here without strong opinions of Illan one way or another. I have very strong opinions now. Now I am just becoming angry. Sorry, your defense of Omar is to hate the game, not the player. You honestly don't understand the seriousness of this. I actually don't hate the game, to each his own. The player, he needs to be dealt with by Illan or I am pretty sure people are left with going after Illan. It shouldn't even be your choice. That's what you don't get. MEDICAL ETHICS! It's something that matters to the rest of the world. Omar shouldn't even have given you the opportunity. Honestly, this isn't rocket science.

Bingo! Medical Ethics does not just apply to the doctor, it applies to the entire staff. The doctor is merely responsible in the end. I think it is clear that the doctor is aware of this behavior and he's doing nothing about it. You can like him as a surgeon, heck, you can credit him for your own hard work in losing weight. It does not make it right to allow this to continue when you ladies have the power to do something about it. Put the screws to Illan to fix this problem! Be the solution, not the problem. I would hope ALL these women file formal ethics charges for these behaviors. If not, you are only helping him to continue the behavior. So far the women I have seen that are telling their stories are taking partial responsibility for their own actions in these incidents. Being a responsible adult means fixing our past errors, not pretending like it didn't happen. Let's see what Illan is *really* all about. Prove to us that he actually cares about patients. Do something or acknowledge you don't care what your doc is made up of. As for you, Maestrita- Put up or finally shut up and go away. If you can defend your own claims, by all means! Do so! Susan answered your questions, now pay up hunny. It's your turn. If you do not we can know you are totally unable to do so. And btw, Latin Lover is NOT NOT NOT a racial slur. I work with a ton of Latino men. I swear to God, the next 10 guys I see I am flat out going to ask them, is "Latin Lover" a racial slur or a compliment? We will let THEM decide. BTW, what are you? I am about ready to come up with a racial slur for you but I don't know what you are. White? Mexican? Italian? Or just overall gang groupie with benefits? I still do not know what anyone sees in Omar. First we have his silly name, then we have his photo. I swear, he had to use drugs or something to seduce these woman. Seriously, eww. A vulnerable patient chasing, convicted felon, (apparently) still wanted in the US, an illegal alien, and proud founder of a Latino gang. Good grief. What a disgusting POS. Not only did the taxpayers have to pay his undeserved education (and likely food/medical as well) but we had to pay for his crimes and prison time. What a treat for the US. Bleh. Let's DO something about this. We can talk about it for another month and that will do nothing. Let's DO something about it.

rhw ... I know you meant to delete that post draft above. But I'm glad it came through. I found it helpful in better understanding the Mexican bariatric surgery scene. I know you weren't describing everyone who goes to Mexico for bariatric surgery, but your draft post helped me understand better the viewpoints of those who defend The Fabulous Omar so vociferously. For the record, I never would have imagined anyone would treat weight loss surgery (or any kind of surgery) as a Club Med vacation. Live and learn. VSG Ann... I have to call BS here! What you have been told is utter nonsense. Have there ever been women who did that? I'd imagine so. Is that the norm? Heaven's no! If you are going to Mexico with your best friend and you are both having surgery, might you go to a mall to see what a Mexican mall is like? Of course, but that is the norm, not as described to you. I question how much time the odd author really spent in Mexico and just who the heck she was hanging with. It's not regular people. Most of us went, we were afraid, nervous, excited, we didn't really know what to expect. THAT is the norm. I went to a mall, I had the time, I felt up to it, I wanted to see a Mexican mall. Period. Most of us are like that, certainly not as you were told. That was to justify Omar's behavior as something the women wanted, damn sure not reality. You are absolutely free to deny anything you wish, but anyone that goes to the extremes to defend such a man is more than just a friend. Infatuation? A groupie? A booty call partner? Not sure. I just know damned weird when I see it. While I would prefer you continue posting on the topic because you are proving more and more the dynamics that go along with Omar and his (ahem) "friends" I think it is best in your case to just back off and not help him anymore if he is honestly your friend. Com'on, let's face it. You are in over your head. You are being called on your behaviors, you are being asked to defend your own claims. You know as well as the rest of us you can't do that. So just put your tail between your legs and move on before you shame yourself more than you have... not to mention outing yourself as you have.

Projection and redirection. Keep it coming, so many women have been verbally abused on this thread we need your posting. You are serving a good purpose. You don't see it but, you are. You are doing more for their cause than Omar's. Please, continue!

Okay. Fair enough. Everyone around Omar is dishonest. Dr. Kelly was dishonest. All the woman posting here are dishonest. Susan is dishonest. But a convicted, gang member, illegal alien, felon is the only one telling the truth. You do realize, you have zero credibility here, right? I mean, you can't really expect anyone to take you seriously when you go to this extreme to protect anyone. Ethics schmethics... it matters not. Just make Omar look good. The amusing thing here is that I don't believe you really have a grasp of just how bad you are making Omar look when you go to these extremes. You do more for Susan's cause than you do Omar's. You appear to be in this so deep you honestly can't see it. I was really kidding when I suggested you were another of his booty calls. Now I know I wasn't really kidding after all.

Maestrita- Let's get down to bare boned facts here, okay? Seven women have confided in a person they have known for up to 7 years. I think that is self explanatory. If it is not then three women have come forward HERE on THIS thread and told their stories. I don't want to lose you here, hang in there with me. Medical Ethics applies to not just the doctor but his staff as well. What does Omar's Medical Ethics mean to you? This will likely finalize my communications with you. Either you will continue to excuse his behaviors or you will be truthful. But honestly, thus far you merely appear to be another of his booty calls. Prove me wrong, please. ETA: Are you seriously suggesting that all these people are being dishonest and Omar is the *only* truthful person? For real?

No, I didn't. I just think this is an important topic and it speaks volumes how much people are defending this felon. I thought the original point was more important.

I don't think so. There is more to it than that. For women to attack other women who are being honest, telling their story, and just stating the facts while totally defending a known felon, convicted felon, illegal alien, gang member, someone unable to cross the border to the US for fear of prison again, someone with absolutely no shred of morality, medical ethics... naw. Something more is up.

I think it is pretty clear that Omar has a whole heck of a lot of booty call partners here. I saw a photo of him. For the life of me I can't figure out what anyone sees in him.

I honestly do not know of a single Latino man that would be offended by the term Latin Lover. Quite the opposite, they would consider it a compliment!

Eww. Just eww. There was no slur intended...he is of Latin descent, yes? He is having relations with several woman. Yes? I rest my case. I'm sorry if it offended you but im not wrong. It isn't wrong and it isn't a slam. I would just ignore her. Some people insist on being insulted.

Since you single out Mexico it appears you are under the impression this does not happen in any other country, otherwise why single out just one country? It happens in the US all the time. Need proof? It is not tolerated in Mexico either but if nobody reports it, nothing will happen to resolve it. You really have no grasp of Medical Ethics, do you? You are free to start your own page and then you too, can have "power". No recourse? Says who?