heather1979

We cross-posted.

I assume this wasn't directed at me but if it was, I'm not attempting debate. I just want to see what you are seeing on the FB page.

Madam Reverie, Could you please link the page you are seeing this stuff on? I don't see what you see on Omar's FB page but I am not friends with him and can only see a few pics. Does he have more than one FB page? I'm only seeing pics of his kids and 1 pic of him in a suit with no tattoos showing. Thanks!

Duh! You really think he would announce his marital status? Duh! What an enlightening comment from such a mature person. As I said, he may very well be married but a group of us including a husband went out to dinner with him twice and had great conversation about our families since we all had kids. He didn't have a shot with any of us and still didn't chime in with anything about a wife or children. He did mention feeling sorry for his German Shepard that he rarely gets to see due to long hours.

Is that true? I don't think he is married unless he's separated. He works really long hours and we all spoke to him a lot and he never mentioned being married. Not saying he's not but I certainly didn't get the impression he had a family at home.

Sorry for the messed up post above. What I said to MX transformed was: And yet, knowing all of these negative things that you now use against Omar to discredit him, you were not turned off by them enough to avoid an intimate relationship with him while still a married woman. I find that very interesting and very telling. I don't think Omar is a saint, not even close. You certainly don't come out of this smelling like roses either. All of you should be ashamed of your behavior. She did not say the above paragraph as the quote box in the precious post implied.

. Well if the words out of his own mouth about this isn't proof, then the text conversations we had about his deportation status should be. I don't have to prove anything to you and as far as anybody claiming slander against me, Susan, Alex or anyone else who speaks out, well Omar is in Mexico and just as we who have been part of his game and also anyone who has had a botched surgery there, has no recourse neither does he against any of us here in the US. Turn about is fair play, but like I said, Omar told me himself about his time in prison, about his deportation and also about the gang he was not only leader of but also the founded of. He wears those suits and long sleeves for a reason, he wouldn't want patients to see his gang related tattoos!

To make the stay enjoyable and also to get us out of the hotel and walking around, Omar takes us all shopping, sightseeing, and out for food. While I was there with my sister we were grouped up with several other women and a husband. We all hung out together and it was a relaxed, enjoyable experience. I didn't see anything besides a little joking going on in my group but I did hear someone that had been there the day before I got there say that another lady would not leave him alone and kept joking about wanting to move to Tijuana to be with Omar. This person left town before I arrived so I didn't see any of that go on. It was described as very one sided. I don't understand coming down for surgery and getting involved with someone I'm only going to see for a few days but that's just me.

That's absolutely untrue. There are over 300 members of Team Illan and it is a very friendly and supportive place. I know more about the situation than I did this morning and I will say that I think the best policy for anyone dealing with patients is to keep them on a professional only level with regards to relationships. I know that at least one of the people who posted here today has been a huge Omar and Dr. Illan fan until just recently so I'm having a very difficult time with this whole turn of events. Those of you calling Team Illan members vipers and bullies might want to think of why some members are so passionately defending the team. It's because they know the accusers and their real story. They were friends and confidants and they know that they were not molested, harassed, raped, or pressured into a sexual relationship. I'm not letting Omar off the hook as some others are. I think it was unwise and possibly unethical to date patients and I hope that he refrains from doing so in the future. He is a good guy though. He's great at his job and helps a lot of people and he doesn't deserve this.

You have made threads discrediting surgeons in Mexico. You may feel justified in having done that and I don't know one way or the other whether you are but don't deny doing that. I'm sure many of us have read those threads. If we are going to go there, where are the apologies owed to me? Claiming I have discredited multiple doctors, that I have created multiple fake ID's, that Alex, Bill and Lipsticklady are all fake names I have created? Claiming I was fired as a coordinator, when I actually resigned? Where are my apologies?

So if an Dr. Illan patient shares their experience and says that they dislike the way this was handled, they are a bully and a fangirl? Real mature, people. I haven't bullied anyone or victim blamed anyone so please refrain from calling me names that are totally inaccurate.

Susan, I don't care enough about you to start a thread and complain about you. I don't know you and I don't want to know you. The only reason I'm on this thread is because my surgeon is being accused of wrong doing and not even by the "victim" but by someone who has nothing to do with it. I came here to share my experience with my surgeon and his coordinator and also to say that this thread is not the way to handle any of the issues you are alleging. Dragging someone through the mud in this manner is shameful and extremely immature. It reeks of attention seeking at it's worst.

Heather, I challenge you to go back and quote where I used the word "rape". I believe you will have a very difficult time doing so, because I did not. I also challenge you post links to all these other threads where I have "trashed many other doctors". I posted about my experience with my surgeon, that was it.

Ha! Not sure how that emoticon made it into my post but I'll leave it.

I completely agree with you here. I don't like the idea of doctors or their staff dating patients because that's a line that shouldn't be crossed, in my opinion. That said, Susan used the word rape and spoke of sexual harassment and things of that nature and I really think that she has no business posting things like that. If the victim of such behavior wants to post it, that's their business to do so. It's difficult to see something like this written about your surgeon and their coordinator when a) you've had an excellent experience with them, and Susan has trashed many other doctors on this site for various reasons. It just seems so fake and unprofessional on her part. I think that's where the vitriol from some of Dr. Illan's patients comes from. Certainly not from a stance of victim blaming.

Well, when you are trying to decide on a surgeon in Mexico, the kind of statement made by Susan holds a lot of weight. It's just really not fair to Dr. Illan. I'm sure you can understand why I feel that way. Of course not. I wouldn't take anything I read on a public message board as gospel. That would just be plain silly.

So all the pre-op prospects should just take that as gospel? Seems pretty thin to me when there's a business and some reputations on the line. I mean seriously. This is ridiculous.

I'm nobody's reinforcement. When this thread was linked on FB and I saw the claims, I felt the need to speak for myself and my experience. It's as simple as that. I know the surgeon and coordinator being slandered. I'm pretty sure Bill the fiancee doesn't know jack about Dr. Illan or Omar from personal experience. That's why his presence here is in question. Most of Baja Bariatric's patients are on the Facebook page Team illan. I was notified earlier today through that Facebook page about this thread. There is no doubt that there are enough people that follow and support baja bariatrics that when you post something like this, the word will get out and you are going to get feedback. To say something to the effect, "people are going to support this company because there are so many happy patients" and then when they do.... you say "see I told you so" is probably one of the most ridiculous tactics I've ever seen. My point is, expect more people to negate this post than support it. There is safety in numbers. There wouldn't be this much support for this surgeon and company if they weren't as good as they are. Once again, no one has stepped up and said "this horrible thing happened to me".... But plenty are saying they've had and heard nothing but good. I have no problem with reinforcements being called in honestly. I'm just pointing out the irony of someone making an issue of a newbie supporting the OP but not all the newbies or "resurrecties" supporting the other side. Again, I don't have a stake in this game, but I do find the thread interesting. I do have a problem with personal attacks in either direction. I think the inability to discuss an issue respectfully (and without profanity) is very telling. It takes away from the validity of the poster and makes them look quite foolish. Why do I find this thread interesting? Right after I had my procedure, a young lady who was a member here had an affair with her doctor (or coordinator) while in Mexico. She spoke of it here, was upset when he dumped her, and was raked over the coals by his supporters. It was ugly. She then retracted her statements claiming she made it up just to stop the abuse from other members. It was heartbreaking. I know it happened to her because I heard about the affair before the " break up". I saw her emails about it, the texts, the discussions with other patients who were in Mexico with her, etc. She was "**** shamed" into retraction and that scares me for his future patients. Why do women do that to other women?

You really have no right coming on here and speaking against someone and tarnishing their reputation with secondhand "information." If there is any merit to the complaints that you claim to know about, those patients should contact Dr. Illan or the hospital he works in and file a formal complaint. Your post is nothing more than spreading malicious rumors at this point. You can play the role of savior and martyr all you want but just know that this is a very unprofessional way to solve a problem like this, if there even is a problem. Another thing........If you just wanted to protect vulnerable women, why do you need to gather up credible friends to support your posts? Why not just say your concerns and answer the responses? Why get your fiancee to post in agreement with you? Seems so odd and childish to me.

I did just join to make a comment on this thread. I've lurked the board all through my time researching surgeries and surgeons but never felt I had anything I wanted to contribute. I made my post to share my experience with Baja Bariatrics and Omar. I have no vested interest in whether people do or do not like Omar. I'm not even claiming to know whether the things Susan said are true or not. I do know that they are inappropriate in this context and that she's made some very inflammatory statements before regarding a few other surgeons. My 2 cents are worth the same or more than any other members' who have been on the board for years since I'm an actual patient of Baja Bariatrics. In the spirit of full disclosure, I am a member or Team Illan on FB and learned of this thread there. I am not here to gang up on Susan but to share my personal experience. Take it for what you will......................

Wonderful surgeon and support staff. My sister thought that I was nuts to go to Mexico for the surgery so I took her with me as my advocate. She was blown away by the high level of care that I received and was really won over by the whole experience. Both her and I research things to death and are quite critical and skeptical but we both agree that I made the best choice possible. Feel free to read the drama post in this thread. Then read all of the posts made by his actual patients who have really experienced his care. There's a lot of us out there who are so thankful for Dr. Illan and his coordinator, Omar.