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Glad to hear everyone's updates on how they're doing! Sounds like it's going well for most of you! On day 9 of 14 for the liquid diet, and proud that I've followed it to the letter! Interestingly, I've been trying to time my drinking water to stop 30 min before/start 1 hr after shakes or meals and one of the certified bariatric nurses at the hospital orientation last night said that was unnecessary! I told her I thought it was so the protein would stay with you longer and make you feel fuller, but she poo-poohed it and said "You're trying to get back to a normal way of eating. Do most people time when they drink and eat or not drink with meals? NOPE!" That was interesting. She also said she wouldn't recommend more than 60-65 oz of protein because you don't need more than that and it will just constipate you. And they don't really watch carbs I guess because the shakes they use in the hospital are just Carnation Instant Breakfast which I would think have too much sugar/not enough protein. It was kind of surprising. She was great though and very smart and down to earth about everything. I was glad to hear they don't use catheters and they let you drink water the same night of your surgery. They also make you walk a lot and do some sort of heavy breathing test every hour to help get the anasthesia out of your lungs/system. She told everyone not to expect to do a lot of sleeping in the hospital! Can't believe there's less than a week to go!

So I'm on day two of the 2-week pre-op diet (3 shakes a day, 1 lean cuisine, 64 oz+ of water), and wow, it's hard to fit all this liquid into my day. I'm trying to time it correctly with Water consumption so that I'm not drinking water 30 min before or 1 hr after a shake, but...time is running out on me! It's a good thing that right now I can gulp a whole bottle in 15 minutes, but I know won't be able to do that after surgery. So what are your great tips on how to fit in all the shakes/water/etc? Bonus question: I'm also a little annoyed that my doctor's office is being super inflexible about the pre-op diet. I'd like to substitute some unjury chicken Soup flavor Protein instead of a shake here and there because all the sweet stuff is a lot, but they said no--just drink the three shakes, with no real reason why. Blegh. Also can't have sugar-free popsicles, they said, again with no justification. I might switch in a few Soups and make some popsicles anyway. I mean, does it really matter if I'm drinking or licking my crystal light? I don't think so! I don't want to subvert their instructions, but these substitutions seem perfectly reasonable to me as long as protein levels and water levels stay high.

@@Rogofulm Oh those are really nice. That holiday penguins one might have to become mine. A bigger tumbler is probably a good idea as I often will get caught up in something at work and forget to go get a refill throwing off my timing! Thanks!

@@lisacaron That's a fair point about temperature. I just wish they had taken a minute to explain why, instead of just saying "No, just stick to the diet." It left me with the impression that they just were being dismissive for no particularly good reason.

Right. It's technically not required to wait, but it seems like a good practice to put in place because I believe you are supposed to stick to that after surgery to keep the Protein in you longer and make you feel more full, etc.

I'm on day 2 of the pre-op liquid diet and switching between blended shakes with Vega Protein powder (veggie-based) and unjury choc/vanilla and pre-made Premier Protein Shakes. All of them seem to have little-to-no aftertaste and are pretty good.

First day of the two-week pre-op liquid diet and I can't get this out of my head: "Ya know, it's all about the shake, bout that shake...no trouble..." Hee.

Just got my date of November 26! (The doctor only had day before and day after Thanksgiving open and nothing else till January!) Mostly-liquid diet starts 11/12. Can't believe it's almost here finally!

I'm not on the pre-op liquid diet yet but I've been slowly adding in Protein shakes for Breakfast or Snacks into my diet sporadically. I've tried both plant-based powder (Vega original) -- 15-22 g of protein -- and also a generic CVS-brand whey powder packet (26 g). I use almond milk and lots of ice, which makes them thick...but I've found that they're not very filling for me. I'm hungry for "real food" 30 minutes to an hour after I drink them. This doesn't bode well for when I have to do the real pre-op diet of 3 shakes and a lean meal a day. Any one also have this problem? Any tips on making it more filling? I need to keep the calorie count below 200 so I can't add too much to these shakes. Thanks!

So I've been trucking along with all my appointments, completing everything but the endoscopy, one nutritionist visit and the sleep study. I met with the sleep study doctor today and his first response to me (after a bunch of questions then sitting in weird silence for ages while he typed on his computer) was that I have "much more important problems to worry about than a sleep study." Apparently, he's very worried that I had a pulmonary embolism almost 20 years ago. I had a vena cava filter installed at the time and took blood thinners for six months and had an MRI afterward and was told it all cleared up on its own. I see a vascular surgeon (and have for the past five years) who monitors the filter --- I just recently had a X-ray of it to make sure it hadn't moved (he actually was going to suggest removing it until I told him I was preparing for gastric bypass). Neither he nor the bypass surgeon had any real concerns about this history, they just said they would prescribe blood thinning injections pre-op and/or post-op for me. Well this doctor was very negative and thought I should reconsider the surgery given my history with the embolism, and kind of freaked me out by telling me that it was probably a bad thing that I'd had the filter for so long, and that he wanted to order a whole new battery of tests (Ultrasound, nuclear medicine, echo doppler, PFT) in addition to the sleep study (which...I don't even think I HAVE sleep apnea) and extensive boodwork to see if I have any pre-indicators for clotting, and then see me again in a month. So now I'm a bit worried about all kinds of things, and while I know it's better to be safe than sorry, it makes me a bit angry that the vascular surgeon and the bypass surgeon didn't seem nearly as concerned about this as he was. He did concede he might be erring too heavily on the side of caution, but still seemed very negative about the whole thing. He said if it comes back that I do have genetic predisposition markers, I should really consider if it's worth doing the surgery or trying instead a medically supervised weight loss program. I tried to explain to him that my primary motivation for surgery is that it will severely minimize and maybe eradicate my diabetes, which diet/exercise won't do at this stage of advancement, even if I can lose and maintain, and that I know anyway that regular diets only generally have a 5% success rate long term, but he seemed pretty skeptical about my claims. I'm not sure what to do now. My husband thinks I should cancel all the tests he scheduled and go to a different doctor for the sleep study. But now I'm worried, and I'd rather know if there's a problem or not. And another doctor may just raise the same concerns I suppose. But...I don't want it to prevent me from getting the surgery either. If he refuses to approve, can I still go ahead with it? It's just so weird to suddenly be worrying about a medical problem that happened 20 years ago, and hasn't really been an issue since. Anyone have any embolism history that put obstacles in their way to surgery?

Oh nice. I'm going through Roger Williams with Dr. Pohl, and I live in Johnston. I'm thinking I might get a surgical date in late October/early November hopefully.

I clicked over to your blog since you're a fellow Rhode Islander, and our stats seem pretty similar, too! I began restricting carbs and calories pretty seriously at the start of June and I've lost about 24 lbs so far. I am hoping to be done with all the pre-op testing by mid-September. I've also set a goal to be under 300 lbs before surgery, and I'm about 15 lb away right now. I know that if I can get there (and I should) before the 2 week pre-op diet starts, I'll probably want to indulge with some food funerals, but am going to try to space them out to do minimal damage. I always find lowering carbs helps me lose, but I agree--subbing in some protein drinks for breakfast and lunch should also help. If you have a liquid pre-op diet, you might find that you lose another 10 or 15 lbs that way too.

@@rhodywoman I'm a fellow Rhode Islander! Who is your surgeon? We should chat!

Thanks to all of you for the feedback. I agreed that it was better to be safe than sorry and went for some of the tests today. The doctor called me back this afternoon and said everything looks good and was much more optimistic and friendly today. His verbiage changed from "if you get the surgery" to "when you get the surgery", so I'm taking that as a good sign! (And of course, it's great to have a clean bill of health.)

Thanks. I'll call the bypass surgeon's office tomorrow. I also called the vascular surgeon today but had to leave a message. I probably am worrying unnecessarily, but his tone just really threw me.

So I've been trucking along with all my appointments, completing everything but the endoscopy, one nutritionist visit and the sleep study. I met with the sleep study doctor today and he was very, very interested in the fact that I had a pulmonary embolism almost 20 years ago. I had a vena cava filter installed at the time and took blood thinners for six months and was told it all cleared up on its own. I see a vascular surgeon (and have for the past five years) who monitors the filter --- I just recently had a X-ray of it to make sure it hadn't moved (he actually was going to suggest removing it until I told him I was preparing for gastric bypass). Neither he nor the bypass surgeon had any real concerns about this history, they just said they would prescribe blood thinning injections pre-op and/or post-op for me. Well today's doctor was very negative and thought I should reconsider the surgery given my history with the embolism. I was shocked by his overwhelming pessimism (he told me that it was probably impossible to have the filter removed since I've had it for 20 years--which is the opposite of what the vascular surgeon said) and that he wanted to order a whole new battery of tests (Ultrasound, nuclear medicine, echo doppler, PFT) in addition to the sleep study (which...I don't even think I HAVE sleep apnea) and extensive boodwork to see if I have any pre-indicators for clotting, and then see me again in a month. Now I'm a bit worried about all kinds of things, and while I know it's better to be safe than sorry, it makes me worried/angry that the vascular surgeon and the bypass surgeon didn't seem nearly as concerned about this as he was. He did concede he might be erring too heavily on the side of caution, but still seemed very negative about the whole thing. He said if it comes back that I do have genetic problems, I should consider if it's worth doing the surgery or trying instead a medically supervised weight loss program. I tried to explain to him that my primary motivation for surgery is that it will severely minimize and maybe eradicate my diabetes, which diet/exercise won't do, and that I know regular diets only generally have a 5% success rate long term, but he seemed pretty skeptical about my claims. I'm not sure what to do now. My husband thinks I should cancel all the tests he scheduled and go to a different doctor for the sleep study. But now I'm worried, and I'd rather know if there's a problem or not. But...I don't want it to prevent me from getting the surgery either. It's just so weird to suddenly be worrying about a medical problem that happened 20 years ago, and hasn't really been an issue since. Anyone have any embolism history that put obstacles in their way to surgery?

Just met with dietician for my first visit on Friday. Unlike previous diet/nut visits, I liked her a lot. She was young, knowledgable about bariatric needs, didn't try to suggest I eat way too many carbs for a diabetic trying to lose weight, etc. One thing I did wonder about though, is that, she said just 60 g of Protein a day would be necessary both now and post-op. I know on here, everyone says eat as much protein as you can and even advise up to 80 or even a 100 g a day. (I asked about that and she said, well, after surgery you're going to struggle just to get 60 in. Which is probably true, but...hopefully not for long?) She also recommended Vega One plant-based protein powder--which has only 15 g per scoop. That seems a little low to me, though I did like the taste (couldn't really taste the powder at all honestly). Am wondering if I'm better off using two (or 1.5) scoops of Vega protein or if switching to a whey isolate powder with higher grams is better. (Right now, pre-op, no issues with digesting soy, whey or lactose.) Any thoughts on the advantages of one or the other?

Thanks! @swimbikefan -- Ooh, I'll definitely check out the performance pack. I bought mine at a Whole Foods (where they only had the full bags), but will have to look into it online too. @7 Bites_Jen -- Yes, this is the only one I'll probably buy until I get to the 2-week pre-op liquid diet stage. I've definitely got Chike and unjury on my list, as well as Syntrax and Isopure to try.

Appreciate everyone's feedback. It really is such a different process from person to person! I have scheduled all of my requirements for this month except the endoscopy which I'm waiting to hear back from the office on for scheduling, and the nutritionist who couldn't see me till August 1. So I could conceivably be done with all my appointments by mid-August maybe. My insurance (BCBS of Mass) doesn't have any six-month weight loss or lifestyle class or other waiting period requirements. Then if approval goes fine, it's usually 4-6 weeks after that for a surgery date. It'll hit right in the middle of my wedding anniversary and birthday, I bet. Usually I am a terrible procrastinator at setting up doctor visits, and I kind of surprised myself in getting it all organized so quickly. I'm taking it as a good sign that I'm really committed and looking forward to this (despite my occasional doubtful moments). I imagine it's the first in many ways I'll begin to surprise myself through this journey.

So I met with my surgeon for the first consult this week (Dr. Dieter Pohl in northern Rhode Island) and found the visit surprisingly anticlimactic! Heh. I guess because I'd done so much reading here and at other forums online since the initial seminar, there wasn't much he could tell me that I didn't already know! I was a bit surprised by how fast it all could happen (4-6 weeks after I get through all my appts). He didn't mention anything about supervised weight loss requirements (I just have to see a nutritionist twice, along with all the other standard appointments). He does prescribe a two-week liquid pre-op diet, but didn't want me to lose any particular set amount before surgery, nor did he really pinpoint a goal he'd like me to reach afterward. It's funny how different everyone's experience is, but I left feeling like it should be harder somehow!

I'm from Johnston and also going with Dr. Pohl for a bypass surgery. I just met with him last week for a consult and spent all this morning scheduling all the pre-op appointments. So many doctor visits in such a short time! Usually I'm a huge procrastinator about those so the fact that I did it right away is an encouraging sign of how much I really want this.

Hi all! I'm in Johnston, Rhode Island (next to Providence). Anyone have a favorite nutritionist in RI?

Maybe I'll find out about more as I get further through it. But, yes, sounds like it'll probably take 3-4 months for me as well. I'm not sure if it's required to buy shakes from them, but it's recommended. I probably won't though and will go my own way with the tips from the people at this forum. I haven't received a binder yet, unless the 60-page booklet they gave out at the info seminar doubles as the "binder."

Right?! I think I went in expecting him to have more rules and regulations for me. I had a lot of questions so maybe I covered a lot of that with my inquiries. But I don't know. His office also gives out a huge 60-page booklet at the information seminar you go to before you make the first appointment and that is very very explanatory of all that's involved. Maybe that's the shorthand so that the actual first visit can be really quick! I started dieting myself on June 2. Restricting carbs to 50-70 g a day (or less when I can manage) and calories to 1200-1500. So far I've lost about 15 pounds and it's been working out well. I stopped drinking diet soda entirely or anything with carbonation, and most of my Snacks are Protein (lunchmeat, cheese, small amounts of peperoni), nuts, or sugar-free popsicles and Jello. I also really try to get at least 64-80 oz of Water a day. I've been surprised at how easy it's been so far. (I've lost weight on Weight Watchers and doing low carb before but I never restricted calories so much at the same time.) I think being so focused on knowing this is all to benefit me before surgery is really helpful. I'd like to lose about 30 more lbs (or even more) before surgery. My official pre-op diet will be a liquid diet for two weeks before surgery, consisting of: -3 Protein shakes of at least 15 grams a day (100-150 calories each) [i think the office sells a specific brand themselves, which...bothers me a little as it seems a bit convenient for them to profit. I may try to purchase my own. ] -1 light dinner of 3 oz lean meat, poultry or fish with vegetables or a frozen low cal dinner (lean cuisine, smart choice, etc.) -at least 64 oz water per day -1 Multivitamin with Iron daily (again they charge $25 per month for their own vitamins) or you an do 2 flintstones complete and extra Calcium of 1000 mg calcium (viactive or caltrate or others, 2-3 per day) Doctor also suggested starting Biotin before surgery to help with hair loss, but I'm torn on that as I already have a lot of pesky facial hair (I'm Italian) that I don't want to increase too!) Your requirements are less than mine. In addition to two nutrionist visits, I have to do an upper endoscopy, gallbladder ultrasound, sleep apnea test and psych consult, plus get a letter from my PCP.

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