DevilMayKare

Of course it can be avoided. Just don't do it. As I have said before, this isn't something I do everyday. I ended up doing it 2 days in a row and yes, it concerns me. If it didn't, I wouldn't have brought it up. After all, THIS IS THE PLACE TO COME TALK ABOUT OUR CONCERNS. I don't want to scare anybody, but I certainly don't want to not talk about something because it might scare someone or because I might risk a judgemental attitude. It bothers me that besides the people participating in this thread I have had several other people contact me in personal messages saying they sometimes engage in this behavior but don't want to talk about it publicly. If we don't talk about these things and risk being uncomfortable, how will we learn?

Gosh Trish--what an ordeal! You poor thing. I'm sending healing, comforting energy your way and --here, have another tissue. (wink) Really, let us know how you're doing. We're with you. ((((((((HUG!)))))))))

Yeah, let's add it to the dictionary. Maybe it's been said before but I have to give Jack credit for the first time I saw it. As for "enjoying the taste"... well, it would hardly be a confession w/o some humiliation would it?? I guess if I'm the only one willing to stand up and admit to grossness my sholders are broad enough to carry that mantle with pride. (lol!)

We still have to restrict ourselves from what we can't handle. I know better than to get any of the "low cal" ice cream sandwhiches because if they were in the house I WOULD eat the whole box. I might be able to abstain for awhile, but in a moment of frustration and boredom I would eat... and then kicks in the cycle of failure and self-hatred. I don't know that a counselor is what you need so much as a group of people like you who are working on their eating habits and skills. We do some of that here--but nearly as much as I have done in other groups. I think a TOPS or Weight Watchers group might give you the best support for this. Please don't think this is just a "piece of CAKE" (sorry!) for the rest of us. I would kill anyone who brought chocolate into my house. The last time someone brought doughnuts into work I LEFT! I swear to God--this is my life! I just said, "I'm taking a break and if those are here when I get back I'll be taking the day off." Drastic? Yeah. Did I get a lot of flack? Yeah. Did they get rid of the doughnuts? Yeah. Sometimes you really have to look at this as life or death--because it is. Awhile ago, after being in so many groups where people beat themselves up for eating something they had to have in the house for someone else I realized how prevelant this is and how much we sabotoge ourselves by having bad foods available. Know what I did? Since I had 2 boys at home & HAD to have things like cheese and butter in the fridge I bought a tool box, LOCKED them inside, put it in the fridge and gave the key to my 14-yr-old (at the time) son. We also have a locked toolbox in his room where we store the nutrigrain, fig newtons and other snack foods. Do I feel stupid locking food away from myself and does it seem unfair for my kid to have to deal with a mother like this? Yes--but at least his mother isn't over 300 pounds anymore. She can fit in the seat to go to the movie with him and fit a seatbelt around herself in the car. The trade-off is worth it. Anyway, all that to say, do WHATEVER it takes! Don't give up--think of solutions and never, ever let your guard down when it comes to things like chocolate, because that stuff'll kill ya... For some it's chocolate, for others it may be cheese, whatever it is start thinking of it as poison in your head.

Touche!

FINALLY! Down a pound. I've made it to 40# lost... now I've just gotta do it again!

No, you didn't offend me Margo. I'm sure for some things and some people that's good advice. You really have no way of knowing from my post how experienced or knowledgeable I am about this. If there is anything I have learned over the years, it is that sharing the WL experience with other people going thru the same thing is about the most valuable assist there is! I suppose the whole counseling--as well as "ask a doctor"-- sort of advice hits a sore spot with me in that I think our society gives them both more credence than just having a degree should. There are plenty of knowledgable people w/o degrees and plenty of degreed idiots. (I know when I was at UCSB years ago some of the worst teachers I ever had were PhDs.) I REALLY HATE hearing what some of our LBT members have to go thru as far as proving YEARS of WL programs, counseling and all that to get insurance approval. Say what you will about going to MX, at least they let you be responsible for your own decisions. But... that IS a whole different subject, isn't it? Anyway, hope I didn't over-react.

Well, I wasn't exactly putting it out there as a "good idea" but--hey--whatever works and doesn't hurt. I guess I'll just add it to my list of "Humiliating Things I've Done to Lose Weight." :/

You mean droll?

YES--that's it EXACTLY Kathy. It is not the same as vomiting. And I don't do it daily or anything... just now and then. Right, I was posting because I can't possibly be the only one. And I wanted to hear how some other people are handling this. I've been afraid to say anything because I didn't want to get a big "counseling" lecture. Counseling? Comon. I'm 50 years old, have lost over 100 twice (50 half a dozen times), and know more about weightloss and eating emotions than most any counselor (as I'm sure many of you do). I absolutely realize it is STUPID. Just like I totally realize eating chocolate is STUPID. I did want to "come out" on this to get the admonission out of my system and to see if anyone else does something similar. The other thing I sometimes do (& I don't think there is anything wrong with it--it's just disgustingly gross) is finish chewing something but spit it out into the sink before swallowing. Sometimes when you've made half a sandwhich or something it's just so dang hard not to eat the whole thing. Somehow just chewing it gives a better sense of completion. Come ON--I CAN'T be the only one??!!

I think Jenna's right on here. I realize it's a hassle to go to MX, but when you factor it all in maybe not as much as you may go thru where you are. If you book ahead you can get a round trip plane ticket to San Diego, trolley down to the border and take a taxi to a dr in TJ. For a fill you wouldn't even need to spend the night. Also factor in that flouro down there is much less expensive ($100 wasn't it, Michelle?) so they can see what they're doing to hit your port. Between the insurance hassles and the attitude of some of the US doctors MX doctors are just looking better and better to me. I'm seriously thinking of signing up for a Spanish class!

Yeah, watch the salt. That REALLY affects me. I'm down from 40 to 10 gms of Lisinopril (could not handle the diuertic as I already wee-wee-wee all the way home everyday!) Also if you are taking Glucosamine/Chondroitin that can affect your pressure--as well as some...b's (? anyone know which?) I think. I stopped taking the Lisonopril altogether when my BP was down for several days checking and after 2 wks checked again--152/95. Hm. Not good. Guess I'll stay on the low dose meds. Don't notice any ill side-effects.

CLOO-NEY! CLOO-NEY! CLOO-NEY! CLOO-NEY! CLOO-NEY! Oh yes George...yes...YES.... YESSSS!!! (Of course foreplay would be dancin to his Aunt Rosemarie's throaty tunes

Uh... then I guess I'd REALLY better get down there to visit!! (lol..) Another baby boy I'll bet. But Michelle, lusting after your cook! Really, girl!

Years ago when I was in HS I ran into him with his young grandson at the bottom of the escalator at Robinsons. I said the most brilliant thing: "You're John Wayne!" To which he nodded and said "How do you do..." smiled, and walked on. From what I heard he was always a gentleman.

Okay now I HAVE to tell the story about how in 6th grade my arch enemy, Pamela Miller, said that I pledged alliegiance to the "United State of ASPERAGUS" when I didn't (somebody did, but not me) and the teacher (we mutually disliked each other) sentenced me to write out the Pledge 20 times. Oh I did it... every time getting more pissed and writing bigger and bigger the "justice for ALL" part until it was giant, underlined and exclaimed multiple times. At the end I added an entire 1 page essay on how UNjust this punishment was and how UNjust Mrs. Waterman was in general. Got sent to the Principal who sighed and said, "What now, Kare?" I actually had the record for going to the Principal's office more than any other girl in 6th grade--and proud of it! (Who woulda been there with me? DeLarla? Oh yeah....) Now Alexandra, see what can happen when you don't keep those chiefs busy?

Thank you Shai. I didn't think you were being nosey. "How much does it cost?" is the first thing everyone asks--including me! I don't know if it would be cheaper in Nashville or not. There are probably more of the photorejuev places out here so there are lots to pick from. Now doubt one could drive to TJ and get it done MUCH less.

Well, live and let live. (But IMO-- having spent a month in Turkey way too near a minerette--that 4:00 a.m. loudspeaker arabic call to prayer is downright annoying!) BUt what *I* really want to know is WHAT is going on with the BOY SCOUTS?? Do you guys know that scouts or their leaders were struck (and some killed) by lightening FIVE TIMES this year??? This is no dig on the scouts (both my boys were BS thru 8th grade), but you really have to wonder if God is unhappy about something. Seems like one strike by lightening is bad luck--but FIVE? Ya gotta wonder.

Well I'll tell you this, the prices vary--a LOT. I think the original estimate went like this: 1 treatment face/neck $300 1 treatment chest $300 1 treatment arms/hands $300 They say you'll need 2-3 treatments, but the technician said two would probably do it for me and I could get a refresher in 6-12 mos. (They almost always offer this in a pkg of 3 treatments and it's cheaper to buy all at once.) She ended up only charging me $150 for the treatment on my arms and gave me a further discount because she works for my surgeon and then I got a discount for getting the package. The final cost for me was the whole package of 3 treatments (face/neck/chest/part arms & hands) for $2,100. (Since when did I not have a balance on my credit card?) I did get an analysis from another doctors office that was HUNDREDS more per treatment and thier final cost estimate was $4,800 (with their package discounts!). So, shop around!

I am SO GLAD I kept it to myself. I only told one of my sons, 2 close friends and one of the people I work with. There has been many a time I was tempted to say something and didn't. Once it's out and on their minds you can't take it back. I did learn a long time ago when I was doing a liquid fast program that if you don't call attention to it people don't even notice whether you're eating or not. Did you know you can take a meal and push the food around on your plate and they think you've eaten it? Try it. You'll be amazed. And with the band generally you can eat mushie and crunchie things with no problem so PBing isn't an issue as long as you are careful. There is absolutely nothing to feel guilty or shallow about. It is YOUR body and YOUR choice who, what, when or whether you will tell someone what you're doing with it. Honestly, I've gone way up and way down so many times now among some groups (like family) I find the whole discussion boring. Lately when someone has tried to get into any WL discussion I just say something like, "gosh--the whole diet subject is just getting old to me... how's your _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _?" (Fill in the blank with whatever you want and just CHANGE the subject.

I do want to add something in that you really need to take her personality into consideration. If she's the type that likes to run things she would probably become a leader in her age group. If she's younger she's going to be frustrated by the lack of credibility due to her age. I spent several summers as a Y camp counselor and when I ran into a kid like I was (always causing trouble) the first thing I would do is put them in charge of something. It's absolutely amazing how much a cheif can get done if they're given some Indians--& what trouble you'll have if you try to turn a cheif into a sheep. Did that make any sense???

Hmmmm.... best laid plans. Go with your gut and be ready to switch gears, provide a lot of unconditional support and she'll find her way as all of us do. My older son was always and big--and always a klutz. When they gave him a "readiness" test for Kgarten in preschool it indicated he wasn't ready (based mostly on his "ball bouncing" skills from what I could ascertain). He was already the BIGGEST kid in preschool and it was obvious to me he was smart and mature so I went against that advice and put him in school. He did fine. In fact in 3rd grade the teacher called and told me she was recommending him for the GATE (GiftedAndTalentedEducation) test which was VERY rigorous at the time. My words to her were--"Gifted and talented!! He can't even TIE HIS SHOES!" To which she answered that he was a "global thinker" and motor skills had nothing to do with it. Well he passed the test easily. (Extremely high score in analytical skills.) So we come to 4th grade and there's a 4/5 grade combo they asked if I would be willing to put him in. Thinking he would be more mentally challenged (less bored) if he were w/ older kids I said fine. He wasn't very happy that fall and didn't seem to fit in with the older kids. There were some major financial changes in the disctrict and in the MIDDLE OF THE YEAR they added more classes to the the school. They ended up moving the 5th graders from the 4/5 combo and made it a 3/4 combo. I was really pissed because now the opposite of what I wanted for him was happening. But guess what? After the change, he was THRILLED. The teacher (same teacher, thank god) said he wasn't like the same kid at all and totally BLOOMED with the younger kids. He loved helping them and teaching them things. So go figure. I guess as an older brother being among the older group was a good fit for him. John is now a senior at UCSanta Cruz with a 3.8 GPA. He's a politics major and already interned w/ a state senator. His past Junior year was spent at the university of Dublin and he traveled w/ 2 friends hosteling thru 14 countries this past summer. Right now he plans to finish college, join the Peace Corps for 2 years and then become a speech writer (like the guys on West Wing). Who knows what he'll do? I don't really have any idea but I'm sure it will be something worthwhile and I'm excited about his future. So Alex, all that to say what? Things didn't always turn out like I thought they would, but they worked out. I think a lot of us have had miserable years. They are sometimes the years we learn the most. So make your best guess and trust your kid to turn into the wonderful grownup she's sure to be.

Anthony Hopkins! Oh man--he has been hiding out in the dark of my closet ever since "Silence of the Lambs." I have no idea what he looked like, but I bet William Blake would be a sensuous lover (Tiger, tiger burning bright always turns be on)--and Lewis Carroll would probably be a blast.

Well now you're just being a show off. Unless partnerless counts? Unless the rabbit counts as a partner? *Note to Devil DeLarla--don't get any ideas here-- if you think I'm putting my single-self in YOUR wicked hands you must think I'm a LOT braver (or dumber!) than I am.

Oh boy--talk about NAUSEA! (hee-hee.)