TheWatcher

the fact is Nobody cares about Ayers except republicans; independents don't care and bout him or wright so keep trying to get him on that basis and we will just see who gets in the white house in jan 20 09

i will but man they are wearing me down.... thank God there is only 2 more weeks...

You could just read his book ... follow his actions and become informed and look for information on his policies instead of assuming what you say you concluded. Truth is there is nothing that ties Ayers ideology to Barrack Obama's in all actuality there’s a witch hunt going on to try in bring Obama down and it’s not working... The reason they can’t make the Ayers situation stick is because there is no validity there. And now the only republican I ever wanted to vote for has endorsed Obama for many of the same reasons. (Colin Powel) Have you read The Blueprint for Change on Obamas website…? That Document lays out Obamas stand it’s all there you say you conclude that Obamas vies are the same as Ayers then I challenge you to read his own stance and see if what you concluded by judging someone that the man knows instead of what he believes. http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/ObamaBlueprintForChange.pdf

Wrong he has not repented. ... when was the last time be blew something up?

If a man has done his time and has changed his ways then yes i would hang out with a killer. I for Forgive but never forget that under the right sercumstances this man could kill again. i wouldnty make him my buddy but i woudnt stop associating with them... i would have to cut off some close members of my family... AP repeated McCain campaign's false claim that Obama "failed to tell the truth" about Ayers, ignored own reporting on Palin's "palling" claim Summary: The AP uncritically repeated the McCain campaign's false assertion that Sen. Barack Obama "failed to tell the truth" about his association with William Ayers and uncritically reported Gov. Sarah Palin's claim that Obama "pall[ed] around with terrorists." Despite numerous independent fact checks to the contrary, in an October 14 article, The Associated Press uncritically repeated the McCain campaign's false claim that Sen. Barack Obama "failed to tell the truth about his relationship with 1960s radical William Ayers." The suggestion that Obama wasn't truthful about his association with Ayers is false, and the attack echoes a McCain campaign ad that asserts: "When convenient, he worked with terrorist Bill Ayers. When discovered, he lied." However, independent fact checks of the McCain campaign's claim that Obama "lied" about his relationship with Ayers have found the claim to be false. In an October 10 "Fact Checker" article, The Washington Post asserted of the ad: "The McCain campaign is distorting the Obama-Ayers relationship, and exaggerating their closeness. There is no evidence that Obama has 'lied' about his dealings with Ayers." Additionally, a FactCheck.org article found "McCain's accusation that Obama 'lied' to be groundless." Moreover, ignoring its own reporting, the AP uncritically reported that Gov. Sarah Palin "has accused Obama of 'palling around with terrorists,' meaning Ayers." However, on October 5, the AP reported that "there is no evidence that they [Obama and Ayers] ever palled around. And it's simply wrong to suggest that they were associated while Ayers was committing terrorist acts." As the AP noted on October 5, in accusing Obama of "pall[ing] around with terrorists," Palin cited a New York Times article that in the AP's words "detailed Obama's relationship with Ayers." But the Times article that Palin cited does not support her accusation; rather, as the AP noted in the October 5 article, the Times reported that "the two men do not appear to have been close." From the AP article: McCain and running mate Sarah Palin have said Obama failed to tell the truth about his relationship with 1960s radical William Ayers, and Palin has accused Obama of "palling around with terrorists," meaning Ayers. Ayers was a founder of the Weather Underground, a radical, Vietnam War-era group that claimed responsibility for a series of bombings, including nonfatal explosions at the Pentagon and U.S. Capitol. Ayers also hosted a reception for Obama in 1995, when Obama was beginning his political career. The two also have worked with the same nonprofit organizations in Chicago. McCain's campaign has tried to exploit those ties, even while saying it disagreed with Frederick.

again i am not saying Obama is Christ like.. i stated that to be christian is to try to be Christ like... in that case Barrack Obama is a Christion and The way he carries himself I can see that quality in him(Trying to Follow Christ to the best his ability) not saying hes like christ. So what if Ayres is unreppentant In my own family i have Shady character who have comitted crimes and other things in their life including to me personally... They havs not been cast out of my life to the point that at times i dont ever have to seework with them... Im arguing that the connaction has no relevance to the campaign ... the issues or the argurements...

So you leave me to assume that the company you keep are spotless and that McCain or Palin's Company are spotless.

NO i forgive but i have nothing to forgive him for ... he has not wronged me... Still doesnt change the fact that hes a idiot.

the reson i even ask is because he put me on a week after a fill no real food and im trying to break the habit itself. so just asking ...

just remember this... Jesse Jackson Does not speak for all black people ... Shoot he barely speaks for the Fringe few... Jesse is irrelevant The fact of the matter is he has become a pariah in alot of circles in the Black community because of his actions the reason that Jesse got so upset because remember what he was responding to (Barrack Obama speaking on taking responsibility of your family and being a dead beat father) ahem JESSE got mad cause IT HIT A LITTLE CLOSE TO HOME... Im not sure if you were all aware of this but Jesse fathered a child outside his marrage that he denyed for a number of years.... No one listens to that irrelevant oaf neither should you.:biggrin:

im sorry but i can hold myself anylonger. first no one is saying Barrack Obama is the massiah and second im sorry but your understanding of Jesus's stance is Flawed. You are attempting to attach a man to obama that has had past sins. Yet william ayres is not the same man who committed those crimes yet you would want to discredit obama for knowing and working with him. Would Jesus follow this tactic. I was raised in a Church My father is a retired Pastor and i have discussed this with him, as well as some of the ministers at my former church and we havent found any leg for you to stand on with this comparison or the logical diduction that would support your position. Jesus's platform if you will is Forgiveness, Patience, and Emplathy,and what part of knowing someones past and accepting them for who they are presently isnt following and trying to be more crist like. Furthermore it is a Christians Mission to To walk and be more like Christ. So how is it all of a sudden is it a bad thing that Barrack has learned to Forgive???:biggrin:

ok that is mindless babble in the words or the principal in Billie Madison: Mrs.Palin, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.:biggrin:

I recieved the following from a friend... Please enjoy! I know its alot of reading but its worth it. Obama/Biden vs. McCain/Palin, what if things were switched around?.....think about it. Would the country's collective point of view be different? Ponder the following: What if the Obamas had paraded five children across the stage, including a three month old infant and an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter? What if John McCain was a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class? What if McCain had only married once, and Obama was a divorcee? What if Obama was the candidate who left his first wife after a severe disfiguring car accident, when she no longer measured up to his standards? What if Obama had met his second wife in a bar and had a long affair while he was still married? What if Michelle Obama was the wife who not only became addicted to pain killers but also acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard? What if Obama had been a member of the Keating Five? (The Keating Five were five United States Senators accused of corruption in 1989, igniting a major political scandal as part of the larger Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s and early 1990s.) What if McCain was a charismatic, eloquent speaker? What if Obama couldn't read from a teleprompter? What if Obama was the one who had military experience that included discipline problems and a record of crashing seven planes? What if Obama was the one who was known to display publicly, on many occasions, a serious anger management problem? What if Michelle Obama's family had made their money from beer distribution? What if the Obamas had adopted a white child? You could easily add to this list. If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are? This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference. Educational Background: Barack Obama: Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations. Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude Joseph Biden: University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science. Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.) vs. John McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899 Sarah Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism Education isn't everything, but this is about the two highest offices in the land as well as our standing in the world. You make the call.

if i were anyone who cared for her i would be embarrassed.

no! shes the wife of a separatist and sorry the governing a state with the smallest population and being the mayor of a town ... dare i say village of 6,000 no shes not powerful and no lucky seems to sum it up more; especially when you think of how clueless she is and we have already had clueless in the white house and i for one say never again!

I was raised around strong successful and dare i say powerful women... and she is the opposite... she makes me sick cause she is literally useless and is not worthy to reap the benefits of women who struggled and fought for the cause....she has shattered no glass ceiling a woman will do it someday but it will never be that bimbo

same here... im feeling weak as it is right now not sure if ill make it to wed

ganja works here

(sighs)... what do you mean my this... i mean seriously i have been sitting here for the last couple mins trying to figure out all the ways i could take this .... are you saying... you know what ... i dont wanna go down this road...im going to chime out for a second and just let a bit of this convo play out... Bringing Jesus in this is only going to bring the passion and enthusiasm out of me and apparently thats not welcome by some.

i am merely the conversation starter im as biased as the people who post... that's what i do i think of things then i want to discuss, argue my point, and from time to time i will interject something... i have my opinions as well as you and everyone one else here ...i attack no one i express my opinion ... song get upset because my opinion is nt always PC we are adults discussing adult matters i see no need to pull punches or soften my opinions so that they might not he so harsh.... And why do people keep trying to change the topic at hand???:w00t: as i normally have to do sorry if i ruffle peoples feathers... but thats me

you ain't never lied... isn't the penalty for being a true traitor Death... wow aren't i being morbid today

or you can just not look at the topics with subjects you don't like there are plenty of places on this forum for you to get what you came here fore. some like to discuss other things as well... in short... We dot care. many of us post regularly in post that are not political based... but here we are discussing things that also have merit in our lives.

wow.. you have just embraced all the right wing lies haven't you... and lets think if they could get away with being openly racist them i bet all i have they would... traitor, anti American that is all they can say without going too far... you can sit and lie to yourself and be as ignorant and blissful as you want but this election left simple politics long ago....

I have noticed that some people don't believe that there will be another attempt on obama Im curious what your perspective is that brings you to that conclusion

wow had to just put me on blast like that huh??