LipstickLady

You poor thing. You don't know what a liar is, do you? Once someone lies about something, it is very difficult to believe anything they ever say. You don't even have to look people in the eye when you're online. So it shouldn't be that difficult to take responsibility and be truthful. She also lied in regards to the same subjects.... baja bariatric, dr. Illan and omar. Maybe if she said the sun was out and it was 100 degrees outside, then I'd possibly believe her. Oh ok! You are using your personal feelings for her as a weapon against her. Makes perfect sense.

One of the victims has come forward and IS talking about it in this thread. She is now being trashed and bashed. Is that OK?

No. Lipstick lady... I don't believe her because she has a track record of being a liar and her recent extreme change in opinion and views of the service are all too alarming. And again. Because *YOU* don't believe her, it can't possibly be true.

So because you don't believe her, it's not true? Ok.

Good question.... Susan? Lipstick lady? I'm not a moderator nor can I ban people. You are barking up the wrong tree here. That said, I'd rather you go after me than someone else. I can take it.

Yes. Caddy women don't like being called out on their bs. The only thing M is a victim of is falling in love with a Mexican man in August 2013 and again in January 2014. poor thing. Funny. People were asking for first hand knowledge and now that it's being offered, she's being trashed. Shame on you.

And we wonder why victims are afraid to come forward.

So you think it's ok for a college professor to have sex with an 18 year old student? That student is choosing to take the class, paying to go to university, choosing to drop his/her pants. How about a patient who does the hokey pokey with his/her therapist? That's ok, too? A coach and a player? Interesting.

So.... She's allowed to get sympathy, play the victim card and feel attacked and I'm not? Let's get this clear, right after I posted stating that lipstick lady and Susan are the same people, that's when I got banned, right? Fullcircle You said that she and I are the same people? Ha! That's hysterical.

You really wonder why she was removed?

I cringe every time the word rape is used here. I don't think rape in it's true sense occurred. That said, if one uses his/her position of power or authority to seduce a patient/client/student he/she is acting unethically and that's a HUGE abuse of position and influence. That's scary.

I am constantly reminding myself to quote whomever I am replying to so that if they edit/remove their post, I don't look like the lunatic. Yes I started reading at the beginning before the changes were made and must agree it was bullying at it's finest.

Oh no! If someone actually touched me and uttered such a thing, they'd most likely regret it. It's a very bad idea to touch a stranger without their permission. A very bad idea, indeed...

Correct. If there was even one person who was taken advantage of along the way, it was one too many. Consensual or not.

I think it's important for those who were not following this thread last night to know that many of the Ilan/Omar supporters have edited/removed their inflammatory posts and one supporter has removed her account all together along with her posts. This thread is MUCH different than it was last night.

That's just weird. My resting b*tch face keeps the loonies like that away. Perhaps you should work on one of those.

Any person in authority who starts a relationship with a client/patient/student/etc., consensual or not, is wrong. It may not always be a legal issue, but it is a moral and ethical issue. I am so sorry you went through this but I applaud you for coming forward. I am sure that in light of some (not all) of the supporters in this thread, your decision was s difficult one. I hope you've gotten the counseling and support you need to get past this. If your words save even one person from going through this same experience, whether is be because they choose not to use this surgeon, or because this surgeon/coordinator rethinks his future actions, you've done a great service to others. I sincerely hope you get better treatment for coming forward than the last young lady who did the same.

Of course not. I wouldn't take anything I read on a public message board as gospel. That would just be plain silly.

I suspect that if Susan claimed it and Alex, the board owner, approved of her posting this topic, she has proof. I may be wrong, but neither of them strike me as unaware of the ramifications of posts like this.

Most of Baja Bariatric's patients are on the Facebook page Team illan. I was notified earlier today through that Facebook page about this thread. There is no doubt that there are enough people that follow and support baja bariatrics that when you post something like this, the word will get out and you are going to get feedback. To say something to the effect, "people are going to support this company because there are so many happy patients" and then when they do.... you say "see I told you so" is probably one of the most ridiculous tactics I've ever seen. My point is, expect more people to negate this post than support it. There is safety in numbers. There wouldn't be this much support for this surgeon and company if they weren't as good as they are. Once again, no one has stepped up and said "this horrible thing happened to me".... But plenty are saying they've had and heard nothing but good. I have no problem with reinforcements being called in honestly. I'm just pointing out the irony of someone making an issue of a newbie supporting the OP but not all the newbies or "resurrecties" supporting the other side. Again, I don't have a stake in this game, but I do find the thread interesting. I do have a problem with personal attacks in either direction. I think the inability to discuss an issue respectfully (and without profanity) is very telling. It takes away from the validity of the poster and makes them look quite foolish. Why do I find this thread interesting? Right after I had my procedure, a young lady who was a member here had an affair with her doctor (or coordinator) while in Mexico. She spoke of it here, was upset when he dumped her, and was raked over the coals by his supporters. It was ugly. She then retracted her statements claiming she made it up just to stop the abuse from other members. It was heartbreaking. I know it happened to her because I heard about the affair before the " break up". I saw her emails about it, the texts, the discussions with other patients who were in Mexico with her, etc. She was "slut shamed" into retraction and that scares me for his future patients. Why do women do that to other women?

Nice!

Oddly, Whitney hadn't posted since March, coexist hadn't posted since 10/2013 and the last poster just joined. Seems like the troops were called in! I gave no claim in this game as I didn't have surgery in MX and am not friends with anyone in this thread, just pointing out a coinky-dink just as Janey was. If anything, this thread has certainly increased membership and encouraged resurrection of members from long ago.

I'm not a moderator. My comment was as a member of this forum, nothing more, nothing less. I do agree that it was inappropriate to use a real name, but I have a feeling that was an honest error. That said, you can't be asking for too much anonymity if you are using your real picture, town, and birthdate, year included. I also see that coexist named herself in á previous post AS WELL AS her "secret" group, so...

What about posting someone's real identity on this forum and their membership to a private forum? Is that okay? What about posting someone's real identity on this forum and their membership to a private forum? Is that okay? Again, if you disagree with something she's said or done, attack the opinion, not the person. That's just MY opinion. If you don't agree with MY opinion, carry on!

And if you think she's wrong to do so, please say so. That doesn't make it OK to attack her. Two wrongs and all that jazz...