LipstickLady

Now I'm scum? What rumors have I spread? What accusations have I made? I'll remind you that name calling is against the rules of this forum. Please feel free to speak your opinion without attacking our members. Thank you. . Let me clarify something for you Travelmego, what happened to me did take place when I was there for my sleeve and not on a return visit. I did go back to Tijuana, but not it was to have another surgery, he and I were not even communicating any more. I did stay at the same hotel because it is safe, nice and close to the hospital I was using. However I was not prepared for the fact that he has keys or pass cards rather to these rooms. Imagine my surprise to walk into my room one evening only to find him there. So if you weren't talking any more, then you must have paid for your flight, pick up from the airport, hotel and never expected any other travel arrangements from him. He basically just showed up to fk you and you had no idea. Right? Answer carefully because I've got a screen shot of you telling someone that he left you at the dentist because he was busy working and that made you mad. How bizarre and creepy is it that all these people take screenshots of everything? Seriously! HA!

. Let me clarify something for you Travelmego, what happened to me did take place when I was there for my sleeve and not on a return visit. I did go back to Tijuana, but not it was to have another surgery, he and I were not even communicating any more. I did stay at the same hotel because it is safe, nice and close to the hospital I was using. However I was not prepared for the fact that he has keys or pass cards rather to these rooms. Imagine my surprise to walk into my room one evening only to find him there. So if you weren't talking any more, then you must have paid for your flight, pick up from the airport, hotel and never expected any other travel arrangements from him. He basically just showed up to fk you and you had no idea. Right? Answer carefully because I've got a screen shot of you telling someone that he left you at the dentist because he was busy working and that made you mad. How bizarre and creepy is it that all these people take screenshots of everything? Seriously! HA!

. Let me clarify something for you Travelmego, what happened to me did take place when I was there for my sleeve and not on a return visit. I did go back to Tijuana, but not it was to have another surgery, he and I were not even communicating any more. I did stay at the same hotel because it is safe, nice and close to the hospital I was using. However I was not prepared for the fact that he has keys or pass cards rather to these rooms. Imagine my surprise to walk into my room one evening only to find him there. . Let me clarify something for you Travelmego, what happened to me did take place when I was there for my sleeve and not on a return visit. I did go back to Tijuana, but not it was to have another surgery, he and I were not even communicating any more. I did stay at the same hotel because it is safe, nice and close to the hospital I was using. However I was not prepared for the fact that he has keys or pass cards rather to these rooms. Imagine my surprise to walk into my room one evening only to find him there. Thank you for sharing your story. I think you are very brave to do so under the circumstances here.

You must have missed the post where MX said her incident occurred during her initial surgery, not her revisit for plastics. She took it down but hopefully she will reconsider and repost. There may not be a written code against what he did, but you better believe any doctor worth his weight would not allow this behavior. Please show me where it was implied that the behaviors occurred while the patient was under. Other that your inference, I don't see it.

Never did I call you a bully. Please don't imply that I did.

Never for a moment was there any implication that the inappropriate behavior was done while the patient was under anesthesia or passed out on the bed. It's bizarre to me that *anyone* would jump to such an outrageous conclusion when that wasn't even alluded to. If I missed it, please show me where such a preposterous idea was even brought up by ANYONE other than you. Neither victim (and yes, they are victims) took less than full accountability for their role in this debacle. Was the wrong doing on both sides? Absolutely. That said, the heavier responsibility lies firmly in the lap of the practice. An easy analogy? If my husband were to have an affair with another woman, it would be 99.9% his fault. It is his responsibility to keep it in his pants (despite being a "man with urges" -- still chortling about that one). The woman in this scenario is "wrong", too --if she knew he was married-- but she has no allegiance to me or my family nor did she take vows of fidelity. The victims in this real life scenario are the other women. They knew they were doing something illicit (and probably knew it wasn't the best idea deep down inside) but they were under no obligation to act with any type of medical ethics as was the coordinator. Excuse his behavior all you want and blame the victims here until the cows come home. Anyone with any sense of logic and a solid foundation of ethics will acknowledge that the wrong doing, while on both sides, was full the responsibility of the man who was obligated to keep his patients safe.

So why not ask questions of the victims instead of Susan? It's clear to me that you are not going to believe a word she says and really, it's their experience that matters the most. It's also clear that you are determined to have surgery with Illan no matter what. More power to you, I say! It's obvious that he is a great surgeon and I'd bet that his coordinator will now be forced to be on his best behavior. It's a win/win for his upcoming surgeries which really is the point of this thread -- to stop the inappropriate behavior and protect the patients.

Yeah!! What she said!! And how DARE YOU ladies who came forward make the effort to turn your heartache and pain into the the opportunity to stop exactly the same from happening to someone else. After all, it's not YOUR problem, it's their's, right? Why should they learn or be protected by your experience? How silly of you to do the right thing.

As long as it's a grade A diamond, I don't care what you call it.

Bigger. Like armed guards follow behind me and a helicopter hovers overhead at all times to keep me safe.

I want a big one. BIG.

I haven't stapled a poop yet.

Can't we all be me?

Yep, he figures he only needs to get a ring for one of my personalities, not all of them. Sorry. Hmph. Well then, I quit being you. I quit, ya hear me!?!?!

Actually, , Lippy, you're me. Welcome to crazy cat lady hell. Watch for hairballs when you get up at night to pee. Ugh. I hate cats.

It does take two. They were wrong, he was wrong. Fortunately/unfortunately, their mistakes/infidelity bears nothing on the medical experience of someone else as his does. He was their host, their leader, their guide. He should have kept it in his pants even if they were begging for it. That's his responsibility, period.

If we are going to go there, where are the apologies owed to me? Claiming I have discredited multiple doctors, that I have created multiple fake ID's, that Alex, Bill and Lipsticklady are all fake names I have created? Claiming I was fired as a coordinator, when I actually resigned? Where are my apologies? WAIT!!!! I'm not real??? Does that mean Bill isn't getting me a ring??

It says her behavior regarding her marriage sucks. What it doesn't say is that she is acting against medical ethics as he did, nor is she going to potentially host someone through this surgery as he is. No one's health and safety is in her hands. She only has to answer to herself and her husband. He, on the other hand, is putting Dr.Illan's practice at risk and that's a shame. It really scares me that you excuse his poor behavior with the words "he was wrong as hell but he is a man". Wow.

Yup. In the good old USofA, heads would roll. I have no idea what the medical code of ethics is in Mexico, but surely the standards are higher than poo-pooing the behavior of a man "and his urges".

It really scares me that you excuse his poor behavior with the words "he was wrong as hell but he is a man". Wow.

And injured parties have come forward to talk of their experience yet instead of asking them questions, you continue to badger the OP. That's so bizarre to me. If I was a speculating woman, I'd say you are *so* ready to have this surgery that you really wouldn't care to change surgeons even if someone sent you videotape AND THAT'S OK! If you want to proceed with Illan, by all means, do! Good luck, be safe, I wish you the best. I'm sure after all this NO ONE in the practice will be the slightest bit inappropriate which is the ultimate goal in my opinion. You clearly have a bone to pick with Susan and seemingly now with Alex. You make up your mind and do what's best for you. Personally, I'd be grateful if someone brought something like this to my attention, even if I chose not to want to believe it. At least I would have that option.

So basically, no matter who comes forward, you are going to deny their story and claim they are lying. Cool.

Thank you for coming forward. I hope you get the peace you deserve.

Oh, honey. Telling me what to do really will get you nowhere. I'm not sure what a BVF is (nor do I care) but I'm sure you meant it in the best possible way. Bless your heart. Personal? This whole post is personal. Maybe if she wouldn't have drug my name into it, people (myself included) may have believed her. My personal experience- NOT FEELINGS- is that she is a LIAR and needs mental help. I'm telling you, I don't believe her. You're not going to prove me differently. You're not going to talk me into the ground the way your BVF, Susan, did the surgeon that died in the plane crash. Now, move on!

Not busted, Bill is my fiance, we use the same computer. I didn't realize he was signed on, and when I did, I edited his post and reposted under my name. Alex knows who Bill is. So, no worries there. Bill is Susan's fiance. I've seen very cute pics of them on FB Wait. Does that make Bill my fiance, too? Where the heck is my ring????