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Your 28, Once the weight it off, with exercise the pecs will tighten up.

Ya know, there is sometimes just too much difference between men and women in some respects. And it certainly pertains to support forums (dominated by women). Probably follows the line that men don't walk around the mall holding the hands of their buddies. Or hugging when we greet each other. Ya get the idea. And when we offer up support it's usually in the form of "man up, ya wimp". or "You really suck at this"....."Get your head out of your ass".. My point.????? You make a comment in some other room that suggests a different viewpoint ...........and from that point on,........the women will pounce on you and ignore all reasoning while they reaffirm that support shouldn't be given unless it's in the form of encouragement only....no matter what. And then they won't let it go unless they can change your (man's) viewpoint. Never mind trying to actually consider anyone else's - (insensitive man's) point of view. Hey, don't get me wrong. I can hold my own in any discussion, but when they all gang up, what's the point. They only have one viewpoint and they ain't gonna consider anything else. So I guess for solid, basic, factual, information and reality, with open minded discussion, I'll just stick to Men's room, where the skin is thicker.

Lookin4change, Well, it looks like my one comment has managed to derail your topic. That was not my intention. I apologize for that and will refrain from any further posts here so it can get back on track. Best of luck to your sister.

Why am I here. For specific and factual information for my post op mostly. And as far as my post, I don't need to rethink anything. 1. She got a bypass. 2. she lost the weight. 3. she gained it all back. Those are the facts. The surgery worked. She failed. It happens. My comments aren't meant to judge. You speak of a different point of view, yet you're indifferent to anyone else's viewpoint. I didn't post with the intention of changing anyone's viewpoint anymore than they would change mine. But the facts are that NO surgery, including the Switch will work without the efforts of the patient after surgery. It's also possible that if she did choose to get yet another surgery, that stroking her past failure might not really help, but maybe she would try harder just to prove my viewpoint wrong. Again......you all do what you want and I'll do my thing. That said.. Ya'll have a nice day.

Nope, my day is fine. But rest assured, if you think support is, always telling people everything they want to hear.........their day won't be.

Whatever, I don't really care, so you're all wasting you breath whining to me.

Yeah, go ahead, I'm all wrong and your endless pointless support will certainly make her prevail. Unless I missed something, she's ALREADY had bypass. So unless your support for encouraging more surgery involves some new miraculous procedure as yet unknown by the medical community........Then advising her to attempt further risk is just irresponsible. According to her sister, she's not even looking for additional surgery. So this entire volley is moot anyway. The original question by the OP has already been answered. Besides, Kindle said it best in the post above. So you can all remove your rose colored glasses now. Oh, and additionally.....in response to the the forum being about support. Seeing as this is a Vertical Sleeve forum.......Unless there is someone on here responding to her that has had gastric bypass, my not yet having the sleeve is no different than any of those that have. I do however, wish her the best .

Harsh, not really. The fact is, I'm getting sleeved because I can't stick to it either. I'm hoping the deterrents and benefits of the sleeve will help me to keep it under control post op and then after losing the weight, help me get a new start by changing my eating habits and adjusting permanently to the change. I'm hoping the memory and risks of what I went thru and the loss of 85% of one of my internal organs to get the weight off, will remind me every day. If it doesn't, I will have no one to blame but myself. Not harsh, just reality.

Even if it were possible, which is unlikely, why bother. She's done the most drastic and can't stick to it.....so nothing is going to work.

Actually, I like the fact that it's men only. I have yet to have the sleeve surgery and my support interests are in the form of information specifically from men that have had the procedure. I don't care how you slice it, men and women ARE different. Just like there is "no crying in baseball".....there's no cryin in VST. Plus, we just recover differently and have different interests. Like many have said, for fun banter with the fairer sex, there is always other rooms and then you kinda know what responses your gonna get from the ladies. But, for strictly business, I can respect their Powder Room and prefer they respect "The Cave"

Wow, really.....I guess the coma messes with sense of humor too. What did you expect. All of the professional shrinks on here were gonna agree with your take on your little obsession and that would be the answer. If a little humor doesn't help lighten the mood .......then I'm out.. Too many hormones for me. You get the award for "most endured" from surgery. Good luck with your recovery.

Hmmm......"right this way boys,"......."she's in there"......."careful, she might think your an elephant or possibly a train"..........

Aww, c'mon, can't we all just be friends..........

At least with hunting your dealing less with the stomach/groin as with the shoulder. I'm gonna miss fishing for awhile. I blue water fish and the rod's butt is typically right in the gut.

I think some of you might be too wrapped up in the statistic of this death and missing the specifics of the cause. Yes, deaths do occur in all surgeries everywhere and for many different reasons. Some unavoidable and some which could have been avoided with some very simple procedures. That would be my concern. Were all the appropriate steps taken and used to help prevent the cause of this particular death and or any others by this Doctor? If not, what changes have been made? Some doctors take steps or use medications to help avoid clots or embolisms, while others may not. Tests can be administered to verify a clot or embolism. Were they done? I have had several surgeries where clots were a major concern and I always made sure every step possible was used to prevent any issues, and I had none. If a doctor refuses or does not take me seriously enough I will not use him. I know that is no guarantee and complications can still occur, but I'm not taking any chances. Do your research and find out everything about the Doctors specific procedures and methods. And by all means, speak up with your demands as well.

Whadda you mean thank you ladies?. What would they know about how hot you look. Now speaking from a man's perspective, you look fantastic. Guys are gonna go gaga over you like crazy.!!

Amen!

You probably left him no choice when you wouldn't listen to him telling you to leave.............

Unlike you, my post was generic and not advice on her situation, of which I have no personal or factual information. And second, her post is a one sided prejudiced and self serving rant. and third, this is the Man room, and as BopPop said so tactfully above.......if you want to berate your husbands, gang up together in the powder room. and as to "why am I posting?" My question is why are You posting. Again, the man room......I'll post whatever I like. It doesn't have to, nor is it intended to please you.

Really?? Two pages about oatmeal. I don't think the manufactures of oatmeal put this much thought into it.

I think the moral of story here is "Blanket or tarp". Napkins?? are you kidding me.

Hmmm.......convince themselves, egos, theorizing, feeling young at heart, blah blah blah...Really? It's not that complicated. What would you want.......a shiny new car with smooth tight mechanics that responds instantly or a squeaky, old, clunker full of dents, peeling paint never wants to run and is constantly breaking down ? Duh. And of course we all know the saying why women want the younger guys........"Young dumb and full of cum......" (they want 'em on a level they can relate) .....ROFL .......again....."Man Room"....... I can say what I want...... na na nah na na nah..........and they started it anyway......

little elves come in the middle of the night and sew away enlarging the clothes you have. they're called the motivation elves.

Cmon guys, this is not choosing a life of celibacy. It's one specific room that keeps the responses to a male perspective on male related issues. If you want the woman's point of view, just start the thread in a different room. I for one say, Kuddos to the Admins.

Let's see.....the forum says "Gastric sleeve success stories" She has alot of success with her sleeve and is losing weight quickly. Great. topic covered. She also has said she is going to a shrink. No one here actually knows her or her husband or an actual "whole" story...... So, contrary to the many somewhat prejudiced responses........... Holly, you and your husband and maybe the shrink or a counselor are the ones that should be working on your issues, not random bitter advice from anyone on this or other forums. Good luck.