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And therein lies a huge part of the problem, Ron. Evidently only you are wise enough, educated enough, or blessed enough to discern what is "clear indication" and what isn't. And the rest of us are just plain WRONG...according to you. This Baptist Church evidently had a similar problem. For over half a century they failed to apply a literal interpretation to one of the Bible's many commands regarding women. The "clear indication" was a long time coming, in this case. Aug. 21, 2006 — After 54 years of classes, a New York Sunday school teacher is getting an unexpected lesson in theology: She lost her job because of her sex. Mary Lambert, 81, has been a member of the First Baptist Church in Watertown, N.Y., for 60 years. She had her wedding on the premises, raised her kids in its halls and taught Sunday school at First Baptist for more than five decades. But she recently received a letter from the church board notifying her that the board had voted unanimously to dismiss her from her post. The letter referred to her sex as one of the reasons for her dismissal, quoting the Bible's First Epistle to Timothy, which states: "I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she is to keep silent." "I was absolutely astonished," Lambert said. As were others in her community, including Watertown mayor Jeff Graham, who said it's "fundamentally wrong" to go after a woman teaching Sunday school and use a passage from the Bible as your rationale. But the church's pastor stands by his decision. "I believe that God has a very special role for men and women within the church setting and many people look at it as exclusionary, but I don't view at it that way," Tim LaBouf, First Baptist's pastor, said. LaBouf added Lambert's sex was only one reason she was fired, and that "Christian courtesy" prevents him from saying any more than that. Decision Ignites Debate Shortly after the decision was made, news sources contacted LaBouf and he realized the board's decision was being questioned outside of church circles. "I am fully aware that not everyone ascribes to my view of the Scriptures, but I would never vilify them for having a different religious view, and I would hope that if you do hold a different view that you would extend to me the same courtesy," LaBouf wrote in a statement posted on his church's Web site. LaBouf is a member of the Watertown City Council, and his opinion is getting more scrutiny, as the council employees a female city manager.

And you don't think Ron precipitated any of that unpleasantness? He told everyone who disagreed with him that we were going to hell. He called anyone who has divorced and remarried (except for adultery) an adulterer. Ron is not the fat kid in third grade. He is an adult. No one was "picking on him". We made a lot of jokes and some of them may have been at Ron's expense, but at least they were obvious and genuine attempts at humor. Ron's style is to take cheap shots at anyone who does not embrace his version of scripture. He is not a missionary....he is a horrible reminder of how NOT to spread the good news of the Lord.

Susan... The criticism was regarding the practice of targeting Jews, as a group, for conversion. That's not the same thing as "spreading the Gospel".

A Colorado bulldog is kahlua, milk, and a shot of Coke.

If you know how to e-mail pics, send me yours and I will post them for you. carlene_m@sbcglobal.net

He was offensive long before you ever posted to the thread, Wheetsin, so don't take the rap for that one.

Well no wonder he didn't show up for the party! A few too many and his anti-Semitism might be dangling in the breeze!

Gee...I hope I didn't miss the party. I love amaretto sours AND kahlua and cream. Colorado bulldogs are good, too. I have a terrific recipe for homemade kahlua, if anyone is interested in making their own. It is GREAT stuff! Takes a month to age, however. So as soon as you open a bottle, you need to start curing another one.

I think it was more likely your offer to wear a mini skirt.

Not for almost 40 years, it hasn't been. And what does the time period have to do with context? Context is NOT related to time. If the Bible is the literal word of God, and a woman should be required to cover her head to pray 2000 years ago, the same would hold true today. If the Bible were a literal translation, that is.

We sacrifice the bread and wine, yes - but BEFORE they are consecreted. LITURGY OF THE EUCHARIST Presentation of the Gifts / Preparation of the Altar: Priest: Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this bread to offer, which earth has given and human hands have made. It will become for us the bread of life. All: Blessed be God for ever. Priest: Blessed are you, Lord, God of all creation. Through your goodness we have this wine to offer, fruit of the vine and work of human hands. It will become our spiritual drink. All: Blessed be God for ever. [If there is no singing during the presentation of the gifts, the priest may say the preceding prayers aloud, and the people may respond. But if a presentation song is being sung, the priest recites these prayers inaudibly, and the people's response is omitted. Then, after the priest has washed his hands and the music is finished, he invites the people to join in prayer:] [stand] Priest: Pray, my brothers and sisters, that our sacrifice may be acceptable to God, the almighty Father. All: May the Lord accept the sacrifice at your hands, for the praise and glory of his name, for our good, and the good of all his Church. As for the quote, you posted this: And I posted this, from the New KJV, as evidence that "as often as you do this" is only one interpretation of the passage.

I hope not. It would make me furious for that woman to speak my name. She is a publicity whore of the worst kind.

Would a different example be more to your liking? I'm just quoting the Bible - the one that you say is to be taken literally. How about this one? But every woman who prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven. For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

I believe that Jesus is the Son of God, also God the Father, and God the Holy Spirit. I believe that Jesus was crucified, died, and was buried. I believe he arose from the dead and ascended into heaven.

We do not sacrifice Christ during the Mass. We partake of His body and blood, per his command. By the way....here is the New King James version of First Corinthians 11:33-34 </SPAN> Therefore, my brethren, when you come together to eat, wait for one another. 34 But if anyone is hungry, let him eat at home, lest you come together for judgment. And the rest I will set in order when I come.

Ann Coulter is a HORRIBLE woman and a piss-poor example of a patriotic American. She accused the 9/11 widows of "enjoying their husbands' deaths". Since then, I have made it a point NOT to read anything written by Ann Coulter.

Ron... When was the last time you had bacon and eggs? Leviticus, Chapter 11 1 The LORD said to Moses and Aaron, 2 "Speak to the Israelites and tell them: Of all land animals these are the ones you may eat: 3 any animal that has hoofs you may eat, provided it is cloven-footed and chews the cud. 4 But you shall not eat any of the following that only chew the cud or only have hoofs: the camel, which indeed chews the cud, but does not have hoofs and is therefore unclean for you; 5 2 the rock badger, which indeed chews the cud, but does not have hoofs and is therefore unclean for you; 6 the hare, which indeed chews the cud, but does not have hoofs and is therefore unclean for you; and the pig, 7 which does indeed have hoofs and is cloven-footed, but does not chew the cud and is therefore unclean for you. 8 Their flesh you shall not eat, and their dead bodies you shall not touch; they are unclean for you.

HELLO.....earth to Ron. I think that was YOU. Remember all those posts of yours about "context"? The Bible is literal, except when it isn't?

And you would know this how?????

That's like saying Jews killed Jesus, therefore Jews are bad people. Only a small fraction of Muslims are extremists and/or terrorists. Remember, Hitler claimed to be a Christian.

You don't think God has a sense of humor? You don't think Christians should enjoy sex, oral and otherwise? Maybe that's what's wrong with you, Ron. Maybe you need more sex and less hell fire and brimstone. Maybe we can get you and George a two-for-one deal.

You mean "given what Bush TOLD us, at the time", don't you? Turns out there was a HUGE difference between the truth and what he told us was the truth. The Democrats trusted the President to give them accurate information. Shame on them.

Neither.....just one of my humorous, smart-ass remarks, for which I am well-known. You didn't think it was funny?

I wish somebody would give Bush a BJ so we could impeach him! Any volunteers?

I am most fortunate. When all else fails, I can still call myself a Texan!