GlitteringGoldParodox

Some ppl like to be brutally honest. It validates their sense of self-righteous superiority complex. Sometimes such much insensitivity can be hard to ignore even for the most thick-skin. It's not about being afraid to post out of fear of a reality check but not wanting to associate with negativity that is unnecessary harsh. Honesty is not interchangeable with rudeness.

You look fantastic. I totally understand your comment about existing and not living. Now you have the opportunity to live your life unhindered and to the fullest. Keep up the good work.

I call this the Judgement Sleeve Talk. Whomever dare to go against what the Saints Would Do shall be condemned. That's the vibe of this site lately.

How did I learn about WLS? Commercials and ads. From there I researched. I didn't need anyone to give me a testimony. They're living in the Age of Information. My sister told me how are cousin is on FB telling everyone she lost weight through diet and exercise. We know from my aunt telling my mom that she had an additional tool (Gastric Bypass) to help her get there more quicker. Did her not telling my sister or I about WLS stop us from finding out about it? Nope. We're related but she is not obligated to tell us or anyone else her personal business. That is a attitude of entitlement.

Yep I've always been a prideful person but since I'm not religious it holds no negative connotation with me. Lucky for me I don't use others as a moral compass for guidance. Their principles and values are not standard for society. Besides YouTube this is the only social media I participate in. Over sharing is not something I do and privacy is very important to me. But I don't think less of ppl that do or that I'm more moral because ppl will tell anyone their business.

Even among obese WLS has a stigma attached to it. That something I recently learned. As for me. Except for family members none of my friends know how much weight I gained in the last two yrs. They only seen me at 10 and 15 lbs overweight. I moved out of state for a few yrs and stayed in contact through phone calls and emails. For them to know how far I let myself go is too much for me to express. I'm not the vulnerable, soul bearing type anyway. Besides I already know how negative they see fat ppl. A few has called me fat before when we got into arguments. Not to put them because I've said hash things too. The ones we associate with know what buttons to push. In the end its no one business. It's a private matter. No one has the right to know unless you want, not obligated, to inform them. I've never asked a stranger or someone I know a personal question expecting they have to tell me or I'll feel mislead or deceived.

Tuesday I went to Bariatric Surgery Information class. I learned that I won't have to go to my pcp for a referral. Once I meet all the requirements I call them and they will do the referral. I'm beyond ecstatic that I will not gave to ask my pcp.

Instead of going to MX for WLS I've decided to go through Veterans Affairs. In order to get a referral I have to attend 12-15 MOVE Group classes. During the intro class that don't count the dietician went over options available after the completion of class. She went on and on about Orlistat. Than she ask did anyone want to know about Bariatric surgery. Everybody objected stating "No way, too extreme", and "that is dangerous, so many complications". I said I do. She than said well Im not going to take too much time talking about it. Here comes the blurred line. She talked about all the complications that happen in the PAST before they learned more about the procedure etc. Than told us how she talked a few of her patients OUT of getting WLS. That if your following the MOVE program losing weight why get WLS. Her tone was negative. She said more but you get the idea. To me she wasn't giving her professional opinion but a personal anti-WLS. She even described it as a luxury and it didn't have to be provided and how lucky we were to have the option. Listen to the others in the group is my first encounter with negativity associated with WLS. I didn't care about their opinions but I was shocked and disturbed that someone in the medical field would disapprove so adamantly. Am I over reacting or did a bias actually happen?

Ok I didn't know there wasn't a ER at every VA center nor veterans who live far from one. I've told my pcp once about getting WLS ( In MX) and she said they could do the after care. She was my doc before I got switched to a non supporter of WLS. As for civilian hospitals, I don't know the protocol. Sorry I couldn't be of help.

There not going to turn you down because you are a veteran. Just register to get VA health care and than get the surgery. Your pcp will do the blood work which is all required really after WLS. If anything goes wrong the VA Center has a ER. I've been to it before.

Wow, she was way out of line. Doctors need to check themselves. There is a line between informing your patients about the risks with anything they want to discuss and giving their biased non medical opinion about it. WLS is a great tool. And with more impressionable and malleable patients than you and I would get discouraged. Good that your looking for another pcp. We need support from our health providers not judgment. I hope this won't delay the process for you.

The only reason Im going to these classes is because its required to get a referral for Bariatric surgery. At that Intro class was the first time I encounter the stigma associated with WLS. After reading so many posts on this forum about I shouldn't be surprise. Even my PCP there seemed against it. He said no, no, no do MOVE, it works. When I just starred at him he then said I have to lose 10 % of my weight first. When actually it's 5%. To avoid encountering more bad attitudes toward WLS Im going to switch to TeleMOVE which is 82 days. Hopefully after I complete the program my pcp will do the referral. I'm just worried that he won't do it. I never thought a doctor would be against WLS. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

Thanks for the confirmation. It was driving me mad thinking about it. In the information folder given there was a sheet on when their monthly education sessions on Bariatric surgery options. It's by appointments only. She supposedly wrote my name down but now Im going to call for confirmation. What a shame when you can't trust the person you need to because of their own bias.

When others have no legit response to inquiries they usually stoop to personal attacks. Which invalidate whatever statement they make. All we can do is research with credible sources to satisfy our concerns.

My sister using a incentive spirometer to help her lungs function. The docs treated her asthma and she is doing great. No more flare ups. She had gastric bypass instead of the sleeve. I don't know if that makes a difference.

I understand what your saying. It sad but those who work for you is a reflection upon you. One has to wonder if a doctor wiling have an incompetent staff than how can I trust that he is not the same. The same way that the friends you hang around reflects what kind of a person you are. There are a few doctors I crossed off my list for various reasons. I like to very through in my research, especially over something as serious as gastric sleeve surgery. Going outside your country to have a major surgery is a big risk. No one want to get scammed or end up butchered. The guidelines, standards, laws and many other operations in MX is different than what we know. If something goes wrong or illegal happen most wont know how to or where to go to get justice unlike in the states. I bet the embassy won't be much help. I don't mean to offend but we all taking a risk as it is. You have to do what you think is best and safest for yourself.

If anyone have a problem with my opinion than that is their problem to deal with. Your interpretation of my statement was rude. Another poster stating my insecurities reflect my choices was rude in my opinion too. In the end words are stick and stones.

Maybe pointing out simple logic and reason hit some sore sport with some because they see the truth in statements they don't like to acknowledge.