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newbie- strange questions or noT!
RickM replied to sleevin7's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Yes, the stomach reconstruction is pretty robust and such things are unlikely, and the musculature isn't really connected in a way that would cause such a problem (likewise, as is a common question at some point, neither will an orgasm create such a problem, as long as how one gets there doesn't cause any discomfort.) What can sometimes result from a cough or sneeze is an incisional hernia, where the cuts were made to access your insides with the laproscopic tools - the fascia of the abdominal wall doesn't heal as quickly as the surrounding musculature, so that can reopen. Many practices supply or recommend using a small pillow to brace your abdomen under such conditions. -
Is it too easy to drink my water?
RickM replied to sleevedinschool's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
It is normal to be able to drink semi-normally right out of the box, but the other end of the "normal" spectrum is to have varying degrees of inflammation in the newly cut stomach which impedes flow and makes it an effort to get enough in initially. -
Throwing Up acid and small amount of blood 2 days post op!
RickM replied to gully90's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
ER sounds like a great idea. Not keeping fluids down implies some sort of blockage, and blood coming out of places it shouldn't be coming out of is never a good thing. -
Yes, indeed surgery is the key factor. One of the things that I have recognized over the years of being in this game is how little dietary style influences ones weight loss after surgery. Back in the good ol' days 20-30 years ago WLS patients were often advised to just "eat like you always have, just less...." and that generally worked quite well - for the year or so, give or take, that they were losing. Maintaining that loss was not so successful with that approach, obviously, as they never changed what got them into trouble in the first place, and they often regained just as they did when doing diets in the past, though usually somewhat more slowly owing to the restriction that they had. Back when low fat diets were "in", people did just as well with their WLS as they do today with low carb and keto diets being the big thing. The important thing is developing good long term eating habits that one can maintain forever, and none of the popular fad diets do that for most people, and they tend to regain when they get tired of the diet.
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Smoothies are typically a red flag item in the bariatric world due to their implied high calorie content, but you seem recognize that with your 80 cal statement. You can make a smoothie/protein shake or drink with unflavored or vanilla protein powder and add whatever extra flavors or fruits/veg that are consistent with your caloric limits. My wife makes one every day with vanilla protein powder (Optimal Nutrition from Costco is her choice) with tangerine juice as the basis and a bucketload of frozen strawberries and a banana. It is by no stretch of the imagination a low calorie or weight loss drink (she makes it more like soft serve ice cream consistency) but she doesn't need that at 13+ years post op, and it does hide a bunch of her needed supplements. Do the accounting with MFP or whatever tracking app you like to ensure that it fits your program needs, and have fun playing with it. Enjoy.
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What was your pre-op diet?
RickM replied to KristinOlivia's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
No surgeon or program specified pre-op diet here, other than the semi-normal day before GI surgery thing of clear liquids only. -
It makes some sense, as there has been a genetic test available for a while to check is one is predisposed to diabetes, insulin resistance and a genuine carb sensitivity (many who claim a carb sensitivity are just noting the normal effect of carbohydrates causing some water weight gain when one is on a low carb diet.) My wife is a bit of a bread-o-holic but it doesn't bother me - I can take it or leave it, and used it for specific added nutrition part way through my loss phase. My loss trend actually improved with it added.
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Pantoprozale and Famotidine- one year out
RickM replied to gwbicster's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
As far as I know, the acid reducing medications do not control hunger per se, but rather excess acid can mimic hunger, which can in turn be controlled with these meds. So, if you aren't really having an excess acid problem, then that isn't the cause of your returning hunger, and the meds shouldn't be a significant factor in that regard. On cutting out those meds, yes, as above, go ahead and refill them and then go from there. Typically, PPIs like pantoprozole need to be tapered off, or else they can create a rebound reflux reaction. Cutting the dose in half is a good start, or replacing is with an H2 inhibitor such as Zantac or Pepcid (which is what famotidine is) as an intermediate step is often used, so either replacing the pantoprozole with another famotidine for a week or two is a good start, then dropping one of the famotidine for another week or two before dropping the last one - checking for any reflux symptoms along the way, of course. The PPIs have been showing signs of some long term side effects that aren't too pleasant, so they are good to get off of if one can, while the H2 inhibitors are generally considered friendlier to us, though somewhat less effective and not as enduring. The returning hunger may be a revival of your grehlin (a big YMMV thing) but can also come from increasing dietary variety, particularly if some of the junkier foods are creeping back into your diet, as some of those are known in induce hunger. Good luck, and keep up the good work.... -
Do you have to do low carb/Keto?
RickM replied to Skinnygirl1984's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
There is no reason to do any of those fad diets that you hear about online (Atkins/keto, etc.) and generally long term most do better without getting involved in those. Your sleeve works just fine on most any diet that you may choose, but the important part is what will you stick with long term that will allow you to eat sensibly and control your weight. I second the motion to discuss this with a dietician, particularly if you are new to vegan/vegetarian as there are nutritional issues that one needs to address - plant vs. animal proteins, iron, etc. It is difficult to do early on owing to the low protein density of plant proteins, but after a few months is quite workable. A couple of specific references to look for is Dr. Alvarez on Youtube and other social media, who is a Mexico based sleeve surgeon and is also vegan and helps many of his patients take that approach if they are so inclined, and Dr. Matthew Weiner, also on Youtube, who, while not stictly vegetarian, does advocate a veg first approach to his WLS and weight control patients. Both are useful in helping take a non-traditional WLS approach -
Post surgery water intake question
RickM replied to Briswife15's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
It mostly comes down to how much inflammation you have in your stomach post op, and how quickly it resolves. Normally, in best case, your new sleeve or pouch will be like a soda straw and water and thin fluids will flow through fairly easily, though somewhat slowly. If there is much inflammation, then it's like a pinched soda straw and things will flow, or drip, through more slowly, and if you sip or drink too fast, it will come back up. I was on the easy side, and could sip through a bowl of broth (6-8 oz?) and a juice box in one sitting in the hospital, so 10-12 oz in maybe a half hour. My wife could maybe get through her nominal stomach size of 4 oz in a sitting, so she had more inflammation; both cases were within our doc's normally expected results. The not drinking before eating only really applies early on when there may be some inflammation present, and you want to make sure that all of the liquid is through the system before eating, so that the liquid isn't competing for space with the meal. Once things are flowing through fairly normally, there is no reason to avoid drinking before eating as the liquid passed through the stomach in just a couple of minutes, though some programs don't bother mentioning this or removing that restriction from their instructions; drinking after the meal is still a good thing to avoid in the long term. -
Yes, take it up with your doctor, as if anything bad happens, you get the blame if you were going against advice. That said, I never pureed anything, but that was within program instructions that had us on liquids, purees/mushes and soft foods as tolerated from the hospital on out. The thought of pureeing anything after being served pureed lettuce (eeewww...) in the hospital was rather stomach turning. Let your doctor know and let him advance you if he is comfortable with it - I have seen a couple guys come through here reporting that their surgeon advanced them ahead of their published schedule saying that they have found patients cheating on the schedule and not suffering from it, so they changed the schedule. Most docs don't really know how quickly or slowly we can advance without feedback, so let them know. Also, your doc may make is sleeves differently than my doc or someone else's that requires a slower progression than others - there are few standards with this procedure.
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Any Gastric Sleevers 300 pounds or less before surgery lose 100 pounds afterwards?
RickM replied to Beta98's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Count me in - I was 292 at surgery time, hit goal of 190 at about seven and a half months (after slowing things down at six months to keep from over shooting the mark too far) and eventually hit 185 before correcting it to 190ish. I could have taken it lower but that would have meant losing too much muscle mass rather than fat, -
As Creek noted, official diets are all over the map, but most have the common element of a certain protein minimum (typically 60 or more, depending upon the patient's need - smaller women need less, taller men need more,) and minimizing sugars or otherwise simple carbohydrates. Relatively few programs promote a keto type diet - those are typically adopted by patients on their own - and there is little general need for such diets but if one is into them, it won't do much harm (at least in the short term.)
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No pre-op diet here, but that was our standard program protocol (not that unusual, though these diets seem more common than they are due to all the complaints that we hear about them). If your surgeon requires one, it's best to follow their directions as only they know why they require the diet and you want the surgeon as happy and comfortable when he is rooting around in your insides.
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How bad is it that I cheated on liquid pre op diet?
RickM replied to Brassapple's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
The alcohol is a much bigger deal than the burger, as that goes straight to the liver, which is what they are trying to improve prior to surgery (for those surgeons who care about such things and impose these diets.) Bigger concern is whether this is an indicator that one can stay away from the alcohol long enough to get through the weight loss period without damaging the liver more than the rapid weight loss is already doing, or doing the addiction transfer thing and dropping into full blown alcoholism. -
Final Dietitian Visit
RickM replied to michelle0721's topic in PRE-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
Industry standard is 40 BMI or above with no co-morbidities or 35 BMI with co-morbidities (though companies vary about which and how many co-morbidities are required.) Some companies will reserve some procedures for higher BMI's but anything outside of the industry standards are ripe for appeal, both within the company and to state regulators. I didn't lose anything on Aetna's 6 month diet requirement and that was no problem, though that was seven years ago so policy details may have changed in the interim. -
Has anyone tried puréed earlier than two weeks?
RickM replied to melrami1981's topic in Gastric Sleeve Surgery Forums
Certainly - I had pureed stuff along with other soft things like yogurt and scrambled eggs in the hospital (pureed lettuce put me off the idea of pureeing anything) and there are quite a few programs that are similar in their progressions. The basic rule, however, is to follow your doc's or program instructions as we can't know what reasoning they have for their protocols. -
Crystal light is a fairly typical recommendation and is generally benign, if one doesn't mind artificial sweeteners. V8, particularly the low sodium variety, is great if you need to do liquids and want to maintain some semblance of nutrition in the diet. I'm not a fan of liquid diets for reset or back on track as they don't really get to the meat of the problem (so to speak) and often have a lot of artificial sweeteners that emulate the sugars and junk carbs that one is trying to eliminate. I find that basic meat and green veg does the job better as that provides most of what one needs nutritionally and satisfies hunger so that one can wean off the junk that has crept back in.
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I;m not so sure about the stretching your sleeve and what omeprazole has to do with that, but I do respect much of what Dr. Roslin says, so there may be something there. It may also be the general concern about using PPI's such as omeprazole long term, which is something that we would like to avoid. As an alternative, try one of the over the counter H2 inhibitors such as Zantac or Pepcid, which are generally friendlier to us than PPIs though not as strong or long lasting. They are, however, reputedly better for overnight reflux, so may just be what you need.
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Pretty much everyone has this issue - do a search on here for the three (or third) week stall. A pound a day is not unusual for the first couple of weeks or so, as you are mostly losing water weight at that time. After the first couple of months, 5-10 lb per month will be the norm for most people. Also, most lose in stair steps rather than a straight, even loss per day or week, so weekly (or monthly) weigh ins are good if the variations bother you. https://www.dsfacts.com/weight-loss-stall-or-plateau.php
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Talk to your prescribing physician, and your pharmacist, to see what alternatives there are. Even ones that are less than ideal may get you through the initial couple (or few, as needed) weeks until you can take pills normally. Perhaps non-ER version and/or lower doses taken more frequently can do the job for a short time. With the sleeve, we usually don't need to resort to liquid, chewable or crushed medications, but some people will wind up with enough inflammation in the stomach to make it necessary, and some pills (typically calcium citrate and some multivitamins) are too large to take for a while. Good luck in finding a solution
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Some capacity increase over time is normal - by this docs' experience, typically to about half of your pre-op capacity, which is enough restriction to provide for good weight control, but also enough to let things get our of hand if you eat the wrong things. I like this guy in that he acknowledges this characteristic of our WLS, and also provides a prescription of how to counter it, and it does have some merit (I do something like that, in that my diet is fairly veg heavy, though I don't buy into everything he says.) Yes, have your docs check things out in the event that there have been some odd evolutions with your sleeve. Take these "reset" diets with many kilos of salt - they are fundamentally fad diets that work on the premise that we lost a lot of weight early on when on a liquid diet, so therefor we should go back to a liquid diet to lose lots of weight again. Reality check - our early weight loss had nothing to do with a liquid diet, but simply that we physically couldn't eat much, and those of us who were never on a liquid diet still lost lots of weight early on. A basic meat and green veg diet will do all that is needed to "reset" things and restart some weight loss. Good luck in getting this worked out
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Ideal Calorie Intake for Weight Loss
RickM replied to Gundy's topic in POST-Operation Weight Loss Surgery Q&A
This is highly dependent upon ones metabolism. A blanket recommendation of say, 1000 calories, or 1000-1200 calories is great for a guy burning 2500 calories or more per day, but for a short woman who may ultimately be maintaining at 1000-1200 calories per day, that's a recipe for very slow to non-existent weight loss. The common recommendation of 6-800 calories is good, and will cover 95+% of patients, but may be overkill for many. Considering that it's a lot easier to add than to cut back once one gets used to a specific level, erring on the low side isn't a bad idea, unless one has a pretty good idea of what their metabolism is (real world, not online calculators of what it should be.) As a guy who was maintaining weight pre-op at around 26-2700 calories per day, I found 1100 a comfortable and sustainable level that also resulted in quite rapid loss. Keep in mind that your overall metabolism will drop some as your weight comes off - it takes fewer calories to move 200 lb around than 300 lb, etc. -
There are a lot of books out there that cater to those who want, or need, to follow a particular popular diet but also want to enjoy athletic pursuits that may be inhibited by deficiencies inherent in such diets. They make the initial assumption that the diet is primary and physiological performance is secondary - how do I overcome the limitations imposed by the diet - and are typically aimed toward the weekend warrior who wants to stay faithful to their chosen diet rather than the serious amateur or pro athlete who needs to maximize their performance. We are an adaptable species so we can get by with a lot of limitations, so we can make compromises. Philosophically, I would rather optimize the nutrition to help the body work its best, even if my demands aren't that of a serious athlete, rather than compromise physiological performance for the sake of the current, and changing, hypothesis of the "ideal" weight loss diet; particularly since for most in the WLS realm, dietary style is an insignificant factor to weight loss success. It makes little difference what kind of diet one is on, you're going to lose a ton of weight that first year after surgery - may as well go for the long term and nurture the habits that you need to sustain yourself and control your weight over the long term rather than worrying about which diet is today's vision of the optimal weight loss diet for the masses.
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The problem with depending upon the latest diet fads is that they tend to ignore history, as in all those people from the 90's who successfully navigated their WLS, even when low fat diets were the "in" thing, not to mention that there is little in the diet world that hasn't been tried before and found wanting - that's why the diet industry cycles between diets (what's old is new again!) and why the obesity crisis continues unchecked despite the major pendulum swing toward low carb these past couple decades. It sorta makes one conclude that things are a lot more complex than macro nutrient elimination or the hormone of the day (insulin, leptin, cholesterol, etc.) Keep the faith, and it will keep you all the way until low fat diets are back "in" again.