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Please let me know if anyone has info on dr's to avoid in NY I am seeing a Dr Gregory Dakin from Westchester on June 20th and I have an appt with Peter Kwon from Port Jervis in June also. Anyone?

Its a new show I think on TLC and its about these 2 baratric surgeons father and son who perorm mostly gastric bypasses (I havent seen any lap bands done yet). But I was just wondering if anyone saw this and whether or not you thought this was a good idea this show? I mean does it inform or glamorize these procedures? Will it have a positive or negative effect? Will people think these surgeries are for just anyone? Chime in please!

Anyone been approved in NY with GHI HMO if so with what doctor?

BJEAN my heart cries for what you have been through and I thank God that your MIL had someone like you to be a such a great advocate for her care. As far as your ? about what God would want for her. Well, His word tells us that He longs for a relationship with us and sometimes people must go thru a tremendous amount of suffering in order to turn towards Him. I know that may not be the answer you want but it is the answer He gives us. God would never encourage someone to take their own life under any circumstance however I am not the one to judge whether if someone did they would not go to heaven. Alot of poeple are not even concerned about their afterlife nor do they believe in one. I guess that belief would have a tremendous impact on this subject and your reason for supporting euthanasia. I do agree with alot of the supportersar that even doctors sometimes play "God". If we just left God to His own job euthanansia would not even be necessary. Because people would die when they are supposed and not be sustained artificially and then neither side would be accused of playing GOD. That is why I urge everyone to put your wishes in writing!

By the way Blessings to Butch S and his shared thoughts. If more men felt the way you did about women we would all be happily married and there would be no need for divorce or abortion!!!

Gadgetlady, you are I agree wholeheartedly on this issue and my husband and I are also currently looking into supporting a womans pregnancy with healthcare food clothing and even a place to live if she needs it. We do not discrimminate based on race. We will just be blessed to have shared in such an important part of the pregnant girls life and the baby's whether she chooses to give the baby up for adoption or not. How many pro-choicers would be willing to do the same?

babygirl1234 this is a reply to your last post to me but I could not find it. I am sure that irregardless of your circumstances that you are a great Mom who loves her children. I dont think for one second that if you truly searched your heart that you would really say that abortion would have been better than having those 3 children that you are blessed with. It would seem to me that you were meant to be a "mommy" because I have never heard of anyone who was able to have 3 kids while under 3 different types of contraception. Embrace your destiny! You are a special woman who is very blessed!

If it were able to be backed up with so much "proven" scientific evidence it wouldnt be a theory it would be a fact. I am not surprised though at your response. I will agree to disagree with you because if you are a scientist you know then that there are so many "gaps" in the evolutionary theory that it cannot and will never be proven as hard reliable evidence to where we came from.

Just like the previous reply, that doctor did not have the right to go against the families wishes and play "God" and neither does anyone else terminal or not terminal. Taking someones life or even your own before it is your time is playing "GOD". How come the ethanasias have the right tp play "God" but we dont when it comes to protecting someones life? Do it legally in writing and save everyone you love the anguish. DO not put it off or you will be faced with family members who believe they are acting out your wishes and end your life for you! as for babygirl, we do not seem to agree on anything at all. Thats OK I respect your right to your own opinion. Lets keep talking. I enjoy your style!

That is terrible what happened to your Dad. Was the doctor ever prosecuted? I have never heard of a doctor who so willfully went against the families wishes. I do express my deepest sympathies.

I am curious to know Devana if you have ever had a strong-willed child? My oldest is the one to push every boundary not do as we ask her and back talk at every turn. That is just the way her personality is. and although I do believe that as an adult some of that rebellious quality will be very useful it is not conducive to the rest of the family's peace nor respectful to us as her parents. She is the one whom we have "spanked" not "hit" on several occasions because reasoning consistent time outs punishment and rewards for good behavior did absoulutely nothing for her. The spanking is always done last not first and is never done out of control or in anger. On the other hand my second child has never been spanked once in his life. Why? differnet personality. He gets it with the other methods. I really do resent it when people accuse those of us who choose to spank of being child abusers. Perhaps you can see it as I do, that every parent has the right to raise their children the way they see fit and I do not want any government telling me I cannot dish out a spanking when its absolutely necessary. Would you allow your children to continue to be outwardly disrespectful to you even after all other attempts at rectifying the situation have been made? If you say yes then you have never experienced the "true" strong-willed child. If you say "no" and have never "spanked" then my reply is the same. You have never experienced the "true" strong-willed child.

Here's what I believe and honestly everyone has the right to their own opinion but please be totally informed on both sides of the issue and make an intelligent informed choice! So here it goes..... What is the rhetorical ploy at work here? Abortion supporters compare unfavorably the life of one human being (the unborn child) with the "right" to live without the temporary condition of nine months of pregnancy. The result is that the temporary condition and its inconveniences trumps the child's very right to exist. This way of thinking threatens everyones right to live. Determining who shall live and who shall die has become completely arbitrary. Reason and historic experience teaches us that unless we protect the rights of others, our own rights soon diminish as well. Abortion supporters have simply defined the unborn out of existence. Or, more specifically, they contend nobody can know "when human life begins." It is not a mere opinion that two bodies are involved in this decision but a scientific fact. It is important to understand that a surprising number of people have convinced themselves that the unborn child is not a separate human being, meaning the entire focus is on the mother. The unborn child is the smallest, least seen among us, and thus, is the most vulnerable and therefore in need of our protection. All her genetic definition of who she is for now and always - - the color of her eyes, her hair, how tall she will grow to be - - was present at the moment of fertilization. Therefore, in every abortion a helpless someone dies. Most women feel trapped into their abortions. Women who have had them report extreme guilt grief and remorse after having an abortion Why? Because they are aware a life has just been taken. Women usually make their decision with little or no accurate information about their pregnancy or knowledge that assistance is available for them from the over 3,000 pro-life mother-helping centers around the country. They aren't really in control of anything if they do not have the right to know the whole truth before they have an abortion. Anyone who supports "choice" surely should support an informed choice in this context as well. Attempts to pass protective legislation insuring that women are given information about risks and alternatives to abortion and scientifically accurate information about the developing unborn child are routinely opposed and challenged by "pro-choicers". There is a real insult to women's intelligence in that fact. As women, we believe that perhaps the greatest crime committed against women by the legalization of abortion is the ugly idea that our ability to bear children is a punishment or a failure on our part. That notion has sent a message to three generations of women that they must - - at all costs - - reject their own children if they are going to avert failure. Women have to stop apologizing for the fact that they bear children. As long as women give into the expectation that they ought to kill their children in order to get further in this world (that is, compete equally with men), they really are "second-class" citizens. The only reasonable perspective is that every human being's life must be protected from the moment of fertilization until natural death. It cannot be subject to the arbitrary whims of others, or soon each of us will find ourselves or our loved ones being defined out of existence. "Who dies?"

So are you saying that when you had your 6 week ultrasound and saw her heart beating you did not think that she was alive?

Enough said I understand what are you are saying because I held your position too before I had a child. Let me know if you change your mind after you see the ultrasound of your baby's beating heart at 6 weeks and then let me know if you think she is not alive then! What say you babygirl1234?

Lisah have you ever had a child? If so, you are willing to say that your child was not a human being until he/she could live outside of your womb? What about her heartbeat that you saw at 6 weeks what about his kicking that started at 3-4 months? Your baby would not have survived outside of the womb then?

What is then your definition of when human being is formed?

Hey great name you have, its mine too! except I spell it Natalie. Yes my concern too was perhaps the exploitation of the subject of obesity, but I do think that they so far have portrayed these people as normal honest good people like all of us. However I am concerned that they do not drive home the fact that these people have tried dieting for years unsuccessfully and that the surgery was their last hope. I am afraid this might glorify the operation and many people will think this is a quick fix.., Anyone?

. AGREED!

I agree with the highlighted portion of the above comment wholeheartedly. I think that you hit the nail on the head. As for the rest you are entitled to your opinion just as I am entitled to mine that we should always always want to preserve life. However, I appreciate your approach and your opinion.

Very well put. Science, nature, everything we see, points to a creator. The very conception of human life as wonderful and miraculous as it is, points to a creator. Evolution is just a theory whereas creationism points to all things seen and unseen factual hard evidence that we can touch see smell, taste and hear. Therefore those of us who do believe in intelligent design do definately embrace scientific evidence of a creator. I do appreciate your valued opinion.

If he ended peoples lives with dignity then why didnt those people have living wills or make legal arrangements such as a DNR or other legal means of ending there own lives? Dr Kevorkian murdered those people and should still be in jail. My stepfather was in a terrible sudden horrific car crash that left him brain dead. HE had already made prior arrangements in writing to have himself disconnected from life support. This saved the family a tremendous amount of grief and heartache at having to make that decison ourselves. It would seem to me that if someone knows they are terminal the best gift they could give their families is to insure legally and in writing their last wishes. The medical field has ways that a person can die legally and with dignity and with very little pain. There life does not have to taken from them.

Here is my previous quote.

You are correct. The abortion issue is for another thread but back to the spanking or hitting as you call it. Please see my above explanation I think it may clarify the difference.

Scary! Humans are not animals. No comparison!

Hitting is different than spanking. Hitting is done in anger and out of control and often done more than once. Spanking on the other hand is done once in an area that would not seriously damage the child(the rump) and is never done in anger. It is done controlled and is always followed with the conversation that the child was spanked for the behavior not because of who they are and followed up with many reassuring words and kisses of love.