WASaBubbleButt

Wow... any thoughts on this study?

>>Start exercising and you?ll become a round-the-clock, fat-burning machine, right? That?s long been a commonly held belief among exercisers and fitness experts alike. But a new report finds that, sadly, it?s not very likely.

The notion that exercise somehow boosts the body?s ability to burn fat for as long as 24 hours after a workout has led to a misperception among the general public that diet doesn?t matter so much as long as one exercises, says Edward Melanson, an exercise physiologist and associate professor of medicine at the University of Colorado in Denver. <<

It gets better, read here:

Exercise not likely to rev up your metabolism - Smart Fitness- msnbc.com

This is the part I thought was interesting:

>>?Bottom line is that we once thought that exercise would burn calories, especially fat calories, for a long period after a bout of exercise,? says exercise physiologist Gerald Endress, fitness director for the Duke University Diet and Fitness Center who was not involved in the research. ?This does not seem to be the case.?<<

I never did weight lifting when I was losing, just hard cardio daily. But I admit, this surprises me.

So we're told that we have to drink, drink, drink. So I am drinking, drinking, drinking.

BUT, not to give too much TMI Fluid in is not equaling Fluid out. I'm swollen like a tick. I even ate some watermelon last night as that ususally pushes right through, but it isn't happening. Now what?

Maybe try a little bit of lemon juice in your Water, a natural diuretic. Not sure if it works but others swear by it. I've never tried it.

I own them all!!!! Including the original movie and the two sequal movies.

I once bid 3000 dollars for a chance for my wife to have lunch on set with Richard Dean Anderson, while making this last movie. I lost. It went for 33000 dollars!!!!!

I also own the Wizard of Oz painting that was above the directors desk for 10 years.

Ok, and I own a couple of props from the filming of the series, a zatnicatil and a gun from the Wormhole Xtreme episode. I won't say what they cost, too embarrassing.

$33K? OMG! I can't believe it! I guess I'm not much of a fan afterall! ;o)

I do like the show, I can watch reruns all day long.

Glad everything went well for you and you're home safe and sound. Be sure to keep us posted on your progress.

It just dawned on me who the person is standing there with you in your avatar! HA!

So I took the advice of the majority and avoided the scale this morning ... although it was there, in the kitchen, calling my name :tongue_smilie: I resisted the urge. It will only be an issue in the morning, as I have never had a desire to weigh in the afternoon/evening.

So now I will need to quiet those voices in my head saying "weigh, weigh. You know you want to..."

I was obsessed with the scale when I was losing. Three times a day usually. HA!

What exactly is a DS? I know what it stands for, I just don't know what type of surgery it is.:tongue_smilie:

It's the big mega procedure, Duodenal Switch. Mega bypassed intestine.

That just sounds down right painful.

Most times the erosion itself isn't painful but the fix is. :tongue_smilie:( Surgery to remove it and repair the stomach is an ouchy.

Erosion can have painful symptoms but it usually does not.

There was a person that went to Huacuz (gahhh) and she had nothing but one problem after another with fills. She could not get restriction. Everyone thought it was a faulty band with a leak in the diaphragm of the band. She wanted to revise to a sleeve and couldn't get her insurance to help. She finally went to Aceves for a revision and turns out it was an erosion. The reason fills were not working was that stomach acid ate through the plastic part of the band and there was a huge hole there. She said that Aceves said it was the worst erosion he's ever seen. Only the buckle of the band was not in her stomach. She had a rough recovery due to the damage and repairs to her stomach. She had no pain, just reflux and no restriction.

She said that he told her it would take a good six months before her stomach was healed enough to revise to a sleeve.

I believe you are talking about the Vertigo and I do NOT think it's a good idea. They take out the Omentectomy during surgery. Supposedly this speeds up your metabolism, but it's all theory with no studies to back it up. Also, your Omentectomy shrinks when you lose weight. So it's just adding risk without adding benefit, IMO.

They also do an Ileal Transposition -- which also claims to speed up metabolism "without malabsorption". However, not having our intestines changed is a plus of the sleeve. Plus, while the studies on mice and Ileal Transposition are promising, jumping from mice to humans at this point in time is very premature IMO.

Not only that, he is charging as much as a DS for this operation even though it's much less complicated and has less OR time.

I have to say, I am very underwhelmed with Dr. Husted because of his pushing of the Vertigo and the DS.

I remember a whirlwind of drama on the DS boards over his nurse going there and pushing this new procedure but I didn't read it. I just saw mention of it.

I don't know anything about the procedure other than what you write above, I haven't researched it yet but Husted does have a pretty good track record with taking down RNY and revising to DS. Not many surgeons can do it.

How much does he charge for this procedure? Do you know? Is he doing it on newbie types or revision patients?

Hi Everyone,

I was thrilled to find this site. I have been on Dr. Aceve's site since I had my sleeve surgery on 10/21/08. I also returned to Mexicali with a friend when she had her surgery. I know that I am always looking for other people to share information with and get answers if I have any questions.

One of the strage things that happened after some of my hair fell out was that it has now come back curly. NEVER in my life have I had curly hair.

Has anyone hair they hair come back curly? :tongue_smilie:

Suzanne

Mine did the same thing! I used to have super straight hair and now I have more curls than I know what to do with. Not really curls, more than waves and less than curls.

I kinda wish it would go away. :o/

Jachut, I agree. That's my point. ALL surgeries have risks and complications during and afterwards...which is something some people refuse to accept. I just like the statements made here to be backed by proven facts, not by the fact "because I said so"!

Put your research where your pink, large, useless words are. Prove your point. Quit spewing crap and start posting facts. Where did anyone claim the sleeve has no complications. IOW, put up or STHU.

The sleeve has fewer long term risks and complications. Prove me wrong. I have shown the risks of banding vs. sleeves, prove me wrong.

The first adjustable lapband procedure was performed Sept. 1, 1993 in Belgium.

The first gastric sleeve procedure was performed in England in 2002.

Heh...once AGAIN, get your facts straight and show me a link that states all these facts that you keep spouting. Not your RSS feeder, that just has a bunchn of news articles relating to obesity.

Quit pulling up info from outdated sources. You will get MUCH better info.

Research, it isn't the horror you make it out to be.

The link I gave you previously, RSS feeders... updated hourly. My guess is that you have no clue what an RSS feeder is. Heh..

I take it back, Hulu - Watch your favorites. Anytime. For free. just added season 4. I'm off on a mission, I must watch each episode!

Ask your Doctor about the "rose Procedure". It is used to shrink the pouch back to the size it was after surgery. I dont know if it would work in all bypass surgeries but its something to look into. Here is a link to some info and video. ROSE Procedure at Los Angeles Weight Loss Centers

Also do a search on www.obesityhelp.com for rose procedure, there may be people who have had it done.

Sadly Rose, Revise, and Stomaphyx are big failures. People usually lose a few pounds and that's it. The clips they use to tighten up the pouch break as soon as the person starts on solid food. (

60 isn't that old! Of course I have all my teeth. LOL!!

;o) Honest, I didn't mean to insult. (crossing heart) I was just asking because those with dental problems or dentures have a really hard time chewing the way you have to with a band.

Don't tell me people don't have complications or deaths from that, because it is not true...It might not be that common but it happens.

Who told you this? Show me the post.

If you reach that point where you feel you just HAVE to get an unfill right away on an emergency basis, I really don't see the point, as if you are that ill, you will not find instant relief, especially if you have been sick and overfilled for days. This does not make sense to me.

The times I have needed an "unfill" were instances where it took a while to actually get to that point and instant relief did not happen.

As far as not having the money to pay, I still would not tamper with my band.

:thumbup:

The more you vomit the more swelling that happens. When you swell to the point that you can't get saliva down you begin vomiting every 20 minutes due to obstruction and then you start vomiting blood. An immediate unfill is critical and it results in instant relief. If it does not resolve with a complete unfill surgery may well be necessary.

No, Wasa, your forum is full of laymen's opinions. I want the scientific facts from professional doctors. Oops, I forgot...now you're saying the doctors are wrong. The following site was updated Jan. 2009, another I visited was updated April 2009. Back up what you're saying. There are news articles on your forum, but none relating specifically with the pros and cons of the sleeve.

Gastric Sleeve Surgery - Consumer Guide to Bariatric Surgery

Gastric Sleeve Surgery Risks and Complications

Risks and complications include:

• Leaking of the sleeve. The operation requires staples to be inserted into the stomach, and there is always a chance that the staples will tear apart, resulting in a leak. The leaking stomach acids frequently become infected and can cause serious problems that may require another operation or a drainage tube.
  
• Blood clots
  
• Weight may be regained over time, because the stomach can stretch.
  
• Unlike gastric banding surgeries, no foreign objects are left in the body during the procedure. With gastric banding, the band may slip, erode or become infected.
  
• Unlike gastric bypass or duodenal switch, there is no bypass of the small intestines with the gastric sleeve, so all nutrients are absorbed and very little chance exists of absorption issues.
  
• Wound infection
  

Since this procedure is relatively new, long-term risk and benefits are not known.

Note the last sentence of your quote. The procedure is not fairly new, it's older than the lap band. They've been doing it for weight loss since the 70s and for other reasons a LONG time prior to that. It is anything but new. The long term studies came out in June of last year.

Heh.. told you that your sources have outdated information and in this case, just plain wrong. ;o)

There is an RSS feeder that is updated on an hourly basis on the link I gave you. It's not difficult, really.

Welcome to the forum!

Congrats on a date! You get your life back with WLS!

Today I was watching TV and noticed that for some unk. reason I had gas pain in my upper mid-seciton. I NEVER have gas pain nor stomach problems, per se. I kept thinking that IF I had the band, this might be a common occurence. I'm not good with pain in the stomach or with on-going pain issues. I'm wondering if that would make me a poor candidate for the band? My surgery has not been scheduled because they found an ulcer upon upper GI endoscopy so GI doc wants me to let that heal before taking any further action. I'm thinking this might be a good thing so I can figure out which procedure I really want. I'm 60 so I don't want ongoing problems and I do have 100 pounds to lose. Which way to go here?:thumbup:

I'm not a fan of the band. If someone has a 30-32 BMI it's okay if it is an only choice but I've had both and the band is not easy.

Question... I'm not trying to be insulting here but you say you are 60. Do you have all your original teeth? The reason I ask is that if you happen to be one with dentures I certainly would not get a band. You have to chew your food to a paste with a band. With a sleeve you have to chew better than most do pre-op but nothing like you have to with a band.

With a band you are a slave to aftercare and aftercare can potentially be quite expensive unless insurance covers everything. Fixing slipped bands, flipped ports, disconnected tubing, upper GIs to diagnose various band problems, it's quite expensive. People get bands because they are cheaper than sleeves/bypass but when you factor in the aftercare they are quite expensive, more than sleeves.

Social situations are not fun with a band. You eat something, it gets stuck, and you hork it up. ;o) I am just not a fan of bands. Too many complications. Too many long term complications with a band.

Wow, I really, really appreciate all you've told me. I just talked to a friend of mine who said she'd have done the sleeve instead of the band, but they weren't doing it when she got the band a few years ago.

I just hope my Dr. doesn't think I'm crazy if I call back and say I've changed my mind!!! :thumbup:

Sleeves have been available for a long time but nobody knew about them.

Who cares if your doctor thinks you are crazy for changing your mind. You are the one that deals with the surgery, you are the consumer, you have every right to change your mind.

Fill Centers USA just opened up a location if Ft. Worth last weekend.

Do you have an address please?

Let us see your "current info". Where are the current sites with the professional's opinions, since the ones I've read are so outdated. So far all you've done is talk. Give us some "current" sites with pros and cons to back up your talk.

There is a ton in the forum I am the Admin for Alex. Right here:

Vertical Sleeve Gastrectomy (VSG) Surgery Forum

well wasabubble butt this is truly my last response to your attacks. since you enjoy website hunting on the sleeve so much why dont you find one that says there is no potential risk of weight gain or stomach restretching? cuz i sure as hell cant find one. and many of them say that you may eventually need further surgey( doudenal switch) depending on how obese you are. i never once said any of the surgeries were wrong i simply stated that i personally knew of people that have had all 3 surgeries and regained signifigant amounts of weight back. these are real life people that i've spoken with. and i never once said the sleeve and bypass were the same. only that i knew people that had signifigant regain after them. those are the facts im sticking to. again everyones choice is there own to make i chose the band and im happy with mine. lots of people are happy with their bypasses and sleeves and im truly happy for them as well. now you have a blessed day

Get off your pity pot, nobody is attacking you. Correcting your misinformation simply isn't an attack. You made a claim, it was wrong.

I never claimed a sleeve person could not regain weight, you are redirecting the conversation and paraphasing things I never said. I was quite clear that I AGREED with you on diet changes. I went on to explain that no surgery type fixes white carbs. Or.... did you miss those posts?

You are looking at old information again regarding another surgery to lose weight. There is a history with the sleeve. It is also used for people who want bypass or DS and are too high risk for the long complicated procedure so doctors (since the 70s) have been sleeving these very high risk people until they got to a safer weight for the surgery they did want. Bypass or DS. A sleeve is significantly a safer procedure than bypass or DS.

They discovered people were losing a whole lot more weight than they expected so they started looking at the sleeve as a stand alone procedure. They discovered it does a heck of a great job and today it is also used as a stand alone procedure. It is the first half of DS, a DS stomach is made much larger than a stand alone sleeve. This is why your information is old. Quite frankly, there is a lot of wrong information on MD websites and most of the wrong information comes from doctors that do not do sleeves or have not done many. It is outdated and they do not update it.

This is what I am talking about, you most certainly did not do your research before WLS because had you done so, I wouldn't need to explain these things to you now, you would have known.

You keep trying to change the piece of information I corrected you on. The sleeved stomach most certainly does not stretch out to its original size. The bypassed pouch does not either, as a matter of fact. The bypassed pouch uses the fundus of the stomach and it is elastic and it does stretch and it can stretch to the point of a loss of needed restriction. But it does not stretch out to the same as before surgery and that was your claim.

It is quite funny how people hop thread to thread just to bash peoples opinions!!!!!:smile2:

Yes, the opinion that those who have had bypass are not human? Is that an example of what you wrote of when you wrote that we have to respect everyone's opinions? Yeah, it's not going to happen.

That's not an opinion, that is sheer idiocy.

HH... I was going to PM you a link to that post but I honestly decided against it just because it is so ... what's the word? Lacking in civility? Insulting? Offensive? Degrading? Demoralizing? Tacky?

Headhunter....

I'm a happily married fat chick BUT

I think I have a crush on you. :smile2:

Ohhhhh noooooooooooo you don't! I claimed dibs on him first! ;o)

I do heart HeadHunter!

I stand behind what I wrote, you clearly have no concept of what the sleeve is considering what YOU have written. The sleeved stomach does not stretch "back out like they were before the surgery."

This was taken from one of several sleeve sites which all give the same info. Note the sixth statement.

Risks

• Sleeve gastrectomy is more common in Europe, but most American health insurance carriers still consider it an investigational procedure and do not cover the cost.
  
• Anytime you have anesthesia or surgery, there is a risk of blood clots, other complications or death.
  
• Do not smoke. Smoking would put you at high risk for infection, blood clots, slow healing and other life-threatening complications.
  
• Complications can occur with the stapling, such as leaks or bleeding.
  
• You may need malabsorptive surgery – intestinal bypass or duodenal switch – in addition to your sleeve gastrectomy in order to lose all the weight you need and want to lose.
  
• The smaller portion of the stomach may stretch.
  
• Foods that you eat now may cause discomfort, nausea or vomiting after your surgery.
  
• Gastric surgery puts you at higher than normal risk of developing gallstones and gallbladder disease.
  
• You will not lose weight or maintain your weight loss unless you eat a healthy diet and exercise regularly. This is the reason we stress long-term follow-up with our center and your doctor.
  

Heh... this is old and incomplete information.

Find something a little more current.

The stomach does stretch a small amount, they know this and they compensate for that in surgery. Coming out of surgery your stomach is about the size of your middle finger. Over the next months it stretches to its maximum capacity of a small banana. This is why some refer to it as the banana procedure. By the time it is at its maximum capacity that is the size we want.

In the sleeve procedure they remove 60-85% of the stomach, (the fundus). The muscular portion is left, the elastic portion is removed. Muscle does not stretch the way elastic tissue does. There is no way the muscular portion of your stomach can stretch to it's original size as Jennifer claims.

Pouches can stretch, sleeves and DS stomachs do not. YOUR stomach is at far greater risk for stretching than mine is. Dilated pouch? Happens all the time.

The information you have posted applies to the old technique, not the current one.

Sorry, I know you were itching to prove me wrong but it's not going to happen. Not with... current, information. Bottom line, the sleeved stomach is far more forgiving than the banded or bypassed pouch.

But hey, thanks for letting me prove it again. ;o)