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They are a different breed of people. I still kinda wonder if the surgery does this to them or if a certain personality type is attracted to DS. ;o) I think I have decided that it must be a certain personality type is drawn to DS. "I am fat, I can't overcome it, I won't deny myself anything that I want in life, this is my only answer." Why else would someone get that procedure? I can't wrap my brain around it. To stink so you CAN eat that stuff and lose weight anyway... it boggles the mind.

I think the real key here is that we fat folks do tend to find just about any reason to justify food. By saying that cheating just a little bit is okay is like saying that when you don't form the right scarring around the band and slip just a little it's okay because it's just a little slip. It's important to get out of the mindset of entitlement of food and justifying food. This is part of the head stuff that comes with WLS. It's no longer okay to cheat, justify food, come up with reasons why more food and the wrong foods are acceptable. Quite frankly, it's not acceptable. It is that very thinking that got us fat to begin with.

I don't know, how many people even live in the same state as their mother?

It's not the specific day that matters, it's the emotions behind it. I'd go to the conference.

HA! How did I ever miss this thread? The fake stuff seems to have died down a bit, that's a good thing. Probably has something to do with the new software Alex is using now. ;o)

I say go for it! A BMI of 30 is obese, a BMI of 35 is seriously obese. 40 is morbidly obese. Don't make the same mistake many of us did and wait until it is more out of hand than it already is.

I understand Chickie's frustration. Chickie and Jacqui both warned me that I'd be treated differently after I hit goal and they were right. Not by everyone, of course but many. I've always had patient coordinators on my tail due to my reputation for pushing people to research their doctors and not go to the bad ones but after hitting goal there was a new group on my tail, those that were banded and not doing well with dietary changes and exercise. The patient coordinators that don't want people researching make me laugh, the banded population (below) frustrate me. I know I am blunt and to the point but you know what? Sometimes it's necessary. Take exercise for example. Not exercising doesn't have a thing in the world to do with our eating issues, it's LAZY! The band doesn't fix lazy. The band doesn't absorb calories, the band doesn't motivate you, the band doesn't do the work for you. There is a certain population of banded folks that seem to have the notion that they will get a band and magically lose weight and that isn't how it works. It's like the population of banded folks that have thyroid issues. Even with thyroid problems you don't get fat by eating broccoli and you don't lose weight by taking thyroid pills. Fat still has to be burned. There is yet another mindset where some folks feel like, "Great, you lost weight and got to goal but my problems are more severe than your problems and you could change your eating behaviors, I can't." Well, if someone has already decided they can't change and they come up with a list of why they can't change their lifestyle, they have already decided to stay fat. Changing lifestyles wasn't easy for any of us, the band doesn't do it - we do. If you want it badly enough you'll do it. If you want excuses badly enough, you'll find them. Another population... those that want what they want, when they want it. People today are not great about denying themselves anything they want. They want a big house they can't afford, they buy it anyway. Then when they can't make the payments they blame the economy. They were in over their head the day BEFORE they bought the house, the economy has nothing to do with it. Same thinking applies to food. They are entitled to ice cream, they want it, and they are going to have it. Then they want weight loss, they are entitled to it, and they are going to have surgery. Yet they are still entitled to ice cream. Then they decide the band doesn't work because they are entitled to ice cream. It's okay to deny yourself foods that make you fat. A lifestyle change does not mean rewarding weight loss with cake. It does not mean planning days to eat crap food. It means getting out there, denying self crap food, exercising, and damn well getting it done. This wasn't easy for any of us, but if we want it bad enough we'll get it done. When you tell various populations the above they are "ohhh sooo insulted," and suddenly those at goal just don't understand. Quite frankly, we DO understand, that's why we are at goal.

I'm sorry that you lost your band. Have you considered a sleeve? It has fewer long term complications than the band or bypass and no aftercare.

It depends on the damage to the stomach. Usually 3-6 months you can go back and revise but in my case I was able to do it all in one procedure since I didn't have a slip or erosion. The Standard of Care in the US and MX is to do it all at once IF there is no damage, swelling, etc. to the stomach AND the person has a history of MO.

That's how they used to use the sleeve. If someone was too high risk to have the full bypass done due to size or medical conditions they would do a sleeve (safer than bypass, less OR time, fewer complications) and then when the person lost weight and were a safer surgical risk for bypass they would go back and do the rest of the bypass at a later time. They realized people got to goal with the sleeve alone so now that is what they do. Your nurse is incorrect about it not working for a long time, that was the old technique from 20-30 years ago. Today the technique is such that people do very well with it long term. Considering the five year stats just came out about a month ago, she needs to do her research before opening her mouth. ;o) Send her over here, we'll teach her about her profession! HA!

I didn't revise to RNY but a sleeve. It has almost the same weight loss stats as RNY without the malabsorption and risks. But most insurance does not cover it. :teeth_smile:( That forces people into something a little more invasive such as bypass. When are you going to do it? Sorry the band didn't work for you. I think all the procedures are good (except DS) but sadly, we don't always know which one will be the right one for us until we try it. I can't comment on weight loss in my own case as I have been struggling to maintain and not lose at this stage of the game.

What happened to cause the scare? I fully admit, I love my sleeve. THIS is the procedure for me! I can eat anything I want but just not much of it. No sliming, barfing, foaming, or general puking. But quantities are indeed small! ;o) I'm used to eating around my band if I so desired. Those days are over, I haven't figured out how to eat around my sleeve. I'm working on it! HA!

But don't you stand a pretty significant risk of eroding again? And if you do erode again your chances for converting to another procedure decrease because of the scarring and adhesions. There are people with severe slips that had to have their band removed and they have no chance at ANY WLS type because of the condition of their stomach. I would think it would be worse for erosion?

And yes amazingly, you just did! That's okay, nobody is asking you to go to MX, nobody is asking you to have surgery in MX, most of all nobody is asking you to drink water while you have surgery in MX. See? Easy! And yet, here you are, bickering. Riiiiiight. Oh please, surely you can do better than that? Just because I don't hate a country then I should move there? And yes, you get a brownie point for knowing AZ is in the US. But you should know, the geography questions get harder when we start adding culture and medicine to the mix. ;o) You continue stomping those feeties insisting someone is telling you that you must go to MX and have surgery. Is someone suggesting this to you? Please tell, who would that be? Quotes? Any quotes where someone is telling you that you must go to MX for anything would be fine. However, much as you apparently enjoy arguing nobody has suggested any such thing to you. Perhaps a bit of integrity is something you might wish to learn a bit about. It's a respect thing...

I must have missed that post. I didn't see where anyone said the OP was classless. However, I wrote something about class, here is what I wrote: A far cry from saying someone is classless.

It depends on your surgeon. The better surgeons do not cause a lot of trauma during surgery and there is no pain. If your surgeon has a morphine drip waiting for all his patients in recovery, I'd be heading to a better doctor. This is not major surgery, this is a lap band. If you need mega pain killers after surgery, you might have a problem.

But you know what? This still does not change reality. Weight loss is up to us, support or no support, it is still up to us. If there is no husband-support is that an excuse to eat 4 cakes? Nope, weight loss is still up to us. Maybe we do have biological and physiological issues to contend with. So what? We still have to contend with them. We want weight loss bad enough or we don't.

Nope, I did not follow all the rules, I found what worked for me. I'm not much for rules, I did what worked for me. I don't believe in rules, I believe in guidelines. I started out with the guidelines and I adjusted them to what works for me. My belief is that we all need to find what works and stick with it.

For those of us that knew and understood the term from 30 years ago, it was simply unnecessary. There were more polite words one could have used. Such as... I'm better than that and I want a crappier doctor that is in a better part of town. That would have been acceptable. Look, this is fat surgery. It's not a social climbing issue. Go where the medical care is the best. That's my message, nothing more and nothing less. I'm not about to defend a dictionary definition.

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While I fully admit I'd have to shoot your husband and put him out of my misery, your post did make me LOL just picturing this. At least he's supportive and cares that this works??? ;o))))

HA! I used every excuse in the book too! That's why I was so fat. I was sick and deserved cake. I had a bad day because someone at work made me angry.. I deserved chocolate. I was having a pity party for Name Your Reason<name your="" reason=""> and I deserved Name Your food Choice. <name your="" food.=""> It was ridiculous. I weighed 252 pounds, how many excuses did I really need? I needed someone to confront me and kick my butt. ;o) If I would have depended on my husband for support of any kind I'd be 300# by now. Sometimes we just have to realize that men are...well, men. They think differently from women. Doesn't make it right or wrong, it just is. So we work around it.</name></name>

You are also 20 years old. Just 20 years ago Ghetto may have had a bit different meaning than it does today. I can't say I was insulted when I read the OP, but I did think it lacked in taste or class. I can assure you, I am not overly sensitive. I have a hunch your meaning of the word may be a bit different from the meaning just 20 years ago. I just don't like the word, personally. I think there are much better words to use that are not without class or dignity one may use.

There is nothing prestigious or flattering about having fat surgery. Get over it, go to the doctor that can bring you through surgery the safest way possible. If you are looking for a nice part of town over the best possible doc, you might not be ready for banding. Your thinking isn't right just yet.

You are going to have to wrap your brain around the concept that you aren't doing this for him, you are doing it for yourself. You need to be able to do it with or without him. His support should be there and it should be helpful, but you can't depend on it. You have to depend on yourself. Yep, that means it will take a bit of will power and self control. So the real question here is this, how bad do you want weight loss? Your husband not supporting you is never going to be a valid excuse, it all depends on YOU and how bad you want to achieve your goals.