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A LOT of welfare dollars are going to people we know full well are using it for drugs. What people do with their own money is their business. Again, we can't keep protecting people from themselves. It just doesn't work.

You are starting to use a lot of straw man debate techniques. The fact remains that if he is sterilized and she is not, they aren't going to produce a drug addicted baby.

Not sure, if you erode once are you likely to do so again? They haven't even figured out what causes it to happen in the first place. Your poor colon! What about VSG? Is that an option? What does Dr. O say about a 2nd band? Might want to go to Dr. C's site and ask some of these questions. He is here (usually daily) but I think he prefers folks with questions post them on his website.

Well, then welfare does the same thing.

Well, amazingly I don't think it is right to kill the women. I see a clear difference between their not being able to reproduce and dead. It takes both a male and a female to have children. If he is sterilized and she isn't, she won't get preggers. Now, you said to chemically sterilize men, what drug will work?

Many women cannot use those kinds of products. If they are overweight or if they smoke. While they aren't likely to be obese they are quite likely to smoke. They couldn't use such a product. Depo Provera is usually used for sex offenders, not chemical castration. It does not stop men from having sex, it stops them from wanting to. Totally non effective. Actually, I think it would be cruel to do that to men. It can cause blood clots, depression, and a lack of desire for sex. I don't want them to stop having sex if that is what they want, I just don't want them reproducing at that point in time. I'm not interesting in making them depressed, they likely have enough of that as there is. Depo does more to stopping anger and impulse control in men, it does very little to stop them from reproducing.

Sorry, not biting. I told you I was not going to play race games in this thread and I'm not.

Specifically, which chemical shall we use for men?

I did respond, I asked you how we do that.

Wrong. I did not know if it was factual or not and it didn't matter to me. I'd heard about it before, that's all. Had I claimed this was factual and it was indeed happening you would be correct but I did not do that. I was about as clear as I could be. It was merely a concept up for discussion. I never claimed to have proof of anything thus there is nothing to provide evidence.

It is also a matter of those doing the sin while claiming everyone else is sinning, they are the ones attempting to put their religious beliefs into law. I think basically people are pointing and giggling at those saying, "So, that thing you did, that is what you want to make against the law, right?" Who could help but to laugh? If the loud and obnoxious folks in religion/politics would just shut up and worry about their own behaviors, there would be little to laugh about. But when they try to make laws regarding their beliefs, it's a whole different story.

I have read a great deal regarding Tuna and the mercury it contains. There is so much conflicting info and I don't really know what fact is vs. fiction. Anyone know? Due to band problems tuna is the only solid food I can have so I am curious about this. I realize women who are preggers, small children, etc., need to be somewhat careful but what about others? I know what the gov't says but honestly, I don't have a lot of faith in the US Gov't.

Then I would suggest the option of not reading threads I start. Honestly, not sure how else I can help you.

Feel better now? This isn't the "Ask Abby" section, this is the debate section. Since I posted the topic obviously I had thought it through. Just because I have thought it through does not mean I shouldn't post the topic for discussion with others. I have changed a great many of my opinions over the years by posting on message boards. That's how it works. You post your thoughts, I post mine, if your posts outweigh my own thoughts on a topic I change my mind. If you are looking for feel good threads that don't challenge you, this might not be the best section. But I don't see you that way at all. Just because 99% of my posts are not "I agree, yes I agree" does not mean I don't think about what others have to say.

No it isn't. I didn't make claims I could not back up. I explained that I understood this to be happening but I had not confirmed it. No bad netiquette there in the least.

Just read this article written by Austin Cline. Thought others might be interested as well. >>Conservative Morality is Not Moral or Ethical (Book Notes: The Cheating Culture) Conservatives, and especially conservative Christians, tend to argue that everything which is wrong with America today can be traced to the predominance of "liberal" morality. According to such conservatives, we'd all be better off if we would focus more on restricting sexual, private behavior. Is there any evidence that the people who do this are, in fact, better and more moral than others? In The Cheating Culture: Why More Americans Are Doing Wrong to Get Ahead, David Callahan argues that just the opposite may in fact be the case: It’s now more obvious than ever that being moral in narrow conservative terms is no protection from sinning in other ways. Take someone like Bernard Ebbers. As head of WorldCom, Ebbers was known as one of the most religious CEOs in the high-tech sector. He invoked God regularly in speeches and press interviews, and started each board meeting with a prayer. He was a deacon at his Baptist church, where he also led a weekly bible study class. According to those who took the class, he was remarkably fluent in scripture. If someone missed the class, Ebbers would be on the phone to see if they were okay. And yet, Ebbers presided over the largest fraud in U.S. history, a fraud that wrought massive financial pain on present and future retirees across America. After the revelations of this crime, a tearful Ebbers told his congregation: “More than anything else, I hope this doesn’t jeopardize my witness for Jesus Christ.” It sounds as though Ebbers was more concerned with whether public knowledge of his crimes would harm his ability to evangelize his religion than he was with whether his crimes caused actual financial harm to his employees. What a great guy, huh? He may have been a poster boy for traditional sexual and Christian morality, but that didn’t stop him from helping defraud those around him. Or look at John Rigas, who headed Adelphia Communications, one of the largest cable television companies in the United States. The son of Greek immigrants, Rigas was a regular church goer guided by social conservatism. He raised his four children in a small town in upstate New York with a strict set of traditional values. His sons went to work with their father after graduating from the nation’s best colleges and they, too, became pillars of the upstate community where Adelphia was headquartered. The sons, like the father, were social conservatives. No porn channels were alIowed on Adelphia’s cable system. A very different morality guided the Rigases in business. By the time investigators caught on, the Rigases had appropriated hundred of milions of shareholder funds for their personal use through various shady loans and frauds. Prosecutors accused father and sons of “systematically looting” Adelphia... Pornography is bad, so they were pillars of their community in part for not allowing porn on their cable channels. Fraud and embezzlement aren’t so bad, though, so looting their own company and defrauding others was consistent with their conservative, religious morality. Philip Anschutz is yet another business leader who publicly embraced religion and “family values” ‘ while indulging in greed and financial chicanery at the office. A billionaire who is the largest owner of movie screens in America, Anschutz is a religious man who has crusaded against homosexual rights and the medical use of marijuana. He has bankrolled a variety of Christian conservatives and invested in prayer radio. Yet as the founder and chairman of Qwest Communications, a telecommunications firm, Anschutz ranks among the most corrupt insiders of the late 1990s. He sold nearly $2 billion of Qwest stock as it plunged in value from $63 a share to $3. As these sales took place, many in a secretive fashion, Qwest was encouraging its employees to hold on to their own stock and to build their retirement plans around 401(k)s heavy with Qwest shares. Anschutz was later investigated by Eliot Spitzer’s office and eventually agreed to give up $4.4 million in illegal gains from his shady business dealings without admitting any wrongdoing. Homosexuality and drugs are bad, so he’s a good person for campaigning against them; deceiving his own employees in a manner designed to help him retain his massive wealth isn’t so bad so he felt he could do that while consistently upholding his conservative, religious morality. Do you notice a pattern in these stories? There is one, if you look closely. In each case, what these men opposed and what their morality opposed involved private, consensual behavior which only harmed those involved (if anyone at all) — outsiders and innocent bystanders wouldn’t be significantly affected. The crimes which these men committed and which their conservative, religious morality either did not prevent or did not oppose involved public behavior which did significantly harm others — and for the sake of personal, private gain. This suggests very strongly that the conservative, religious morality that men like these favor may be seriously deficient when it comes to considering how actions impact others. If we look at the causes that animate the Christian Right the most, what do we find? Causes like gay marriage, homosexuality, contraception, stem-cell research, evolution, sex education, and others don’t involve things that genuinely harm others. Abortion can at least be argued in good faith as something that causes harm, but the conservative religious position on this is not obviously and unambiguously one that prevents harm to others. Let’s take a look at the causes which the Christian Right supports in a positive manner, opposing liberals and liberal Christians: invading and occupying Iraq, cutting back on welfare for the poor, cutting back on scientific research, ignoring evidence that global warming is happening, allowing the government to arrest without warrants and torture suspects, opposing the use of condoms in anti-AIDS programs, and so forth. In all of these cases, the harm caused to others is undeniable and unambiguous. Often, this harm is excused in the name of adhering to a narrow sexual morality designed to preserve some sort of spiritual purity — regardless of what happens physically. So when the Christian Right talks about “values,” we have to keep firmly in mind exactly what sorts of “values” they have in mind: the value of denying full political and social equality to gays, but not the value of being a responsible company owner who treats employees well; the value of denying people access to marijuana for medical reasons or access to accurate sexual medical information, but not the value of telling employees the truth about the financial health of the company; the value of never having an illicit sexual liaison with someone other than one’s spouse, but not the value of telling the truth about foreign policy, not the value of not arresting people without warrants, and not the value of not torturing suspects.<<

I've been on the look out for a bread I can consume barf free. I found it. It's gross, but I found it. I also found a cheese spread that is fantastic. Doesn't quite cover up the flavor of the gross bread but it's good. The bread is: Rubschlager Brand Rye-Ola A full 1lb loaf is the size of this is about the size of a Cereal bowl. This stuff is solid! No wheat, a half of a thin slice (totally a meal!) has 3gm Fiber, 3gm Protein. It's made of Whole Rye Meal and Sunflower seeds. Healthy, get gross. Maybe there is a way to cover the cardboard flavor. It's kept in the refrigerated section. The GREAT stuff is a cheese spread: Kaukauna Port Wine Cheese Spread. Seriously good stuff. Two tablespoons is one serving, 90 cal, 4 carbs, 5gm protein. Now I just need something to put it on! Any clues how to cover the flavor of the bread? Maybe toasted...

And again, I never claimed you said that. I was speaking sacastically for society. I never said you claimed anything. I used the word, 'we'. As in society. I don't think they should be put in prison, that would be against their civil rights. I'm not advocating that at all. I am adovating not protecting people from themselves while we protect future children. How do we temporarily sterilize someone?

I just bought my FIRST ever, eggplant. Looks kinda gross (looks like what one find during surgery but that's for another day) but I'm trying it out anyway. I was going to make eggplant chips. Kinda like potato chips but baked with spices only. Do I need to cut the black/purple/whatever it is stuff off first? Or just slice it as is? Thx

One of the problems of drug addictions or chemical addictions is that people don't want help. You can take them to a treatment facility, you can force them to participate, you can keep drugs from them, you can force the entire program on them. As soon as they walk out of the treatment facility they are back to using drugs. It's like smoking, someone has to be ready to quit before they can. All addictions are that way. It's easy to sit back and say just give them treatment, but the MAJORITY of time, treatment does not work. So offering treatment really isn't an effective measure here. Lots of people have children while addicted to drugs and it is these children that are subjected to the "rights" of their parents to do illegal drugs.

Please read the opening post again.