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  1. Laura you had a binge.....it's really not a big deal as long as you recognize the causes and work on developing healthier coping skills to deal with the triggers....Having said that, I know that I would or have done the same with my delimma with my daughter too......

    It is hard when we have a difficult child that is acting out. I had to make my oldest son move out as soon as he turned 18 years old due to behavior issues and drug uses....That's when I really started eating more and gaining weight...

    Now with my daughter she is over 18 years (25 years old) and I am very disappointed in her communication about the court house, her marriage, and then her blaming me for not attending when we were not informed. :( so we aren't talking because with her, there's no talking to her. I am fortunate, she is moving to Oregon next month and will have some hard life lessons and have to grow up. Meanwhile it's very painful so I work on keeping everything peaceful.....

    Now talking as a therapist, have you had your daughter evaluated by a psychiatrist. She may have a chemical imbalance that contributes to these mood swings and violent outbursts....It's just a tool to help her calm down and perhaps think a bit more rational......It doesn't mean that she's crazy, she's having a really rough time and has a lot of anger......It would be worth a try....I'm really sorry that you have to go through all this, especially the misinformed parents of her friends......XOXO

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    I am doing horrible on 5:2 these days.... I've got a cold and have a doctor's appointment to get some meds.......Have a great day everyone.


  2. Hi ladies, I'm still here. Not doing well at all. Haven't made the app with my Nut, thought about stopping 5:2. haven't fasted all week. HO! HO! HO!.. this holiday season is bringing all the Cookies, cakes, candies and pies to the office is killing me. We are having 12 days of Christmas at the office and one day ( i'm losing track ) was cookie day . Everyone in the building received a cookie. Well there were extra's and my boss suggested I take one home for my grandson. I laughed and said.. "it wouldn't make it home I would eat it in the car".. he said " well take two ", I laughed and said not sure that would get to my grand son either".. then he said " well how many would I have to give you to make at least one home to your grandson". I suggested he just not give me any.. That's a shame.. I'm not even capable of not eating a delicious melt in your mouth cookie for my grandson. I'm in a really bad place. I've gained the few pounds back I started with on 5:2. The science of the plan makes sense. Weight loss shouldn't be this difficult. Eat less calories then your body needs to function and you should lose weight. Simple right?? Then it must be me.. I've gotta be doing something wrong!!.. URGH!!.. BTW.. Hi Susan Welcome to the group. Sounds like you already know many of the others. I read your profile, is there a blog I can read that will help me get to know you? Re-Sleeve is that a real thing? I haven't had good success on 5:2 in the weight loss dept but it has helped with the restriction. Once I got past the first few fast days, fasting was really easy for me. I fast on Monday and Thursday. On non fast days the desire to eat is less and the restriction when I do it is more than before starting 5:2. Even thought 5:2 hasn't seemed to work for me, I'm going to give it another shot, this group has helped me. I don't feel so alone on top of feeling like a failure, desperate, frustrated and confused. K. I'm making some modifications ( there I go again ), but don't give up on me. I need the wisdom of you ladies that have made this work. That have obviously made your sleeve work for your. Since I can't go back in time and loose more weight during my first year.. I'm here moving in to year 3 having hit my 2 year anniversary in Nov 2013 with so much more weight to lose. Unlike you guys I'm not in wonderland. Actually that was never my goal and honestly at this point in my life, I'm fine with that. Just not fine with where I am right now.. I'm not giving up, so don't give up on me. If I can't do this with all the successful ladies of this group, then I really am an epic failure!!.. URGH.. Its Thursday and I'm starting my Thursday fast day. Shakey in my resolve.. but gotta start again somewhere.

    Brown don't give up. This is the holiday and it sounds like you were wise to not take any cookies home. Heck I would of ate them before I got to the car... LOL This is a really hard time to resist our old habits of eating but you have insight and recognize it too. Good job and please don't give up on losing the extra.....You will succeed, for Gawn sake's, you already have.....

    Susan, at one point, when this group was "open" we started moving to another private site. That privacy was so important. I believe it is helpful to others to make our wisdom available... but this group is more than that. The general crowd does not need to see naked pics or deepest secrets or private troubles. Most people in this group do post in the other areas... I know these days I'm mostly in the vets forum, but other places too now and then... and have been here contributing for over 3 years. Vets helped me out early on, and I am forever grateful. I am open to letting in a few more folks, but really it needs to be vetted by the group... if we lose one of our regular friends here, because it has turned into just a another corner of the regular forum, then that would defeat its purpose. You sound like you just might be a great fit here. In the past we have asked that members already have a commitment to the 5:2... and once in, you are in if you participate, we are loyal to our group...even if the 5:2 is not working that well for you... and I think this is good for MyBariatricPal even if we are closed. We really wanted to stop the flow of people who just wanted to jump in, ask the million questions that have already been asked a million times, and bring no long term experience with the sleeve, we also have really tried not to lure in people in their first year... thats their Doc/Nuts job, not ours... also, as you know, there are some aggressive, mean, short sighted, disagreeable people on this forum, its bound to happen, and we didn't want any of them crashing our happy home. I am a social worker in my "day job" as are others here... I know full well that helping others can burn you out if not paced. Some really great people are not here any more. They took on so much, helped so many, and are gone. I know I am trying to hold the long line here, to be here as much as I can for others without making it my full time job and burning out. This private group really helps me to stay on track personally and not burn out.

    I agree with FYE. Iknow that if the group has difficult people that are hypersensitive to feedback, then I might not want to partake in sharing personal information about myself..I am comfortable and love everyone on this site right now.. I do miss Cheri though...she will be back soon and she is a very valuable asset to our little family here.....there is another 5:2 posting that others can contribute to as well. So no one will be let out of that posting..... JMHO....

    Hi ladies, I'm still here. Not doing well at all. Haven't made the app with my Nut, thought about stopping 5:2. haven't fasted all week. HO! HO! HO!.. this holiday season is bringing all the cookies, cakes, candies and pies to the office is killing me. We are having 12 days of Christmas at the office and one day ( i'm losing track ) was cookie day . Everyone in the building received a cookie. Well there were extra's and my boss suggested I take one home for my grandson. I laughed and said.. "it wouldn't make it home I would eat it in the car".. he said " well take two ", I laughed and said not sure that would get to my grand son either".. then he said " well how many would I have to give you to make at least one home to your grandson". I suggested he just not give me any.. That's a shame.. I'm not even capable of not eating a delicious melt in your mouth cookie for my grandson. I'm in a really bad place. I've gained the few pounds back I started with on 5:2. The science of the plan makes sense. Weight loss shouldn't be this difficult. Eat less calories then your body needs to function and you should lose weight. Simple right?? Then it must be me.. I've gotta be doing something wrong!!.. URGH!!.. BTW.. Hi Susan Welcome to the group. Sounds like you already know many of the others. I read your profile, is there a blog I can read that will help me get to know you? Re-Sleeve is that a real thing? I haven't had good success on 5:2 in the weight loss dept but it has helped with the restriction. Once I got past the first few fast days, fasting was really easy for me. I fast on Monday and Thursday. On non fast days the desire to eat is less and the restriction when I do it is more than before starting 5:2. Even thought 5:2 hasn't seemed to work for me, I'm going to give it another shot, this group has helped me. I don't feel so alone on top of feeling like a failure, desperate, frustrated and confused. K. I'm making some modifications ( there I go again ), but don't give up on me. I need the wisdom of you ladies that have made this work. That have obviously made your sleeve work for your. Since I can't go back in time and loose more weight during my first year.. I'm here moving in to year 3 having hit my 2 year anniversary in Nov 2013 with so much more weight to lose. Unlike you guys I'm not in wonderland. Actually that was never my goal and honestly at this point in my life, I'm fine with that. Just not fine with where I am right now.. I'm not giving up, so don't give up on me. If I can't do this with all the successful ladies of this group, then I really am an epic failure!!.. URGH.. Its Thursday and I'm starting my Thursday fast day. Shakey in my resolve.. but gotta start again somewhere.

    Who knows what it is that makes something work for one and not another!? Its a freaking mystery Brown! Just keep in mind, I did not get to goal until the end of year 3! It took trying a few things, giving them a good long try, keeping track of WAY too much information.... Its still a work in progress at 3 years... your not done, until you give up. We are here for you!

    That being said,

    Yesturday I had to go to an orientation that lasted 4 hours I thought that it was only 1 hour and was totally not prepared. I ended up going to some stupid vending machine and indulging in some cheetos.....then 3 hours later on my way to my friends house, my head told me I was famished and was seeking fast food drive through. I haven't done that for a couple of years. I chose El Pollo Loco and got chicken. That was a good choice. But after eating my thigh, a tablespoon of mac n cheese with a tablespoon for rice, I could of ate a lot more. :( My stomach stretched or my head....A 1/2 hour later walked to the store and bought some M&M peanuts and ate the whole bag. My old habit snuck back in and now I have to stop that sh**...

    I weighed this morning and I lost from 147 lbs to 144 lbs. ??????????? So I'm going to contribute that to my scale being low on batteries. I am going to buy and new scale also. One that's not so fancy....On a good note, today i will be fasting to clean the sugars out of my body..........yep, clean eating and low cal today. I got to get my head back into my new life style..... :P

    Talking about husbands, my husband is 6.2 and has a large bone frame too. His hands and food are really big and he struggles with buying gloves and shoes that fit him....He is the kindest dearest man I know and strives to provide for his wonderful family...... :P


  3. Oh, and I have a strange status. I don't have the thing that says * * HOST, but under my name it says bariatricpal host.

    I had volunteered, but never got an email or anything so I assume I am NOT a host. That is fine, I don't mind, it was just confusing.

    go to your message center and there should be message from Alex for you Jane.... :P


  4. Skinny! Family can really make you crazy. I feel for you. My dad is doing a bit of a crazy making job on me right now too. I just try to pace my crazy making activities and dont let them bunch up all at once if I have any control over them... which I usually dont!

    Ok I just caught up!!

    I hope I can remember everything because boy it was a lot!! Sarsar it's nice to see you back.

    Same with you swizzly. I'm sorry things are not going the best right now.. I worry about wanting to drink sometimes. This weekend was pretty bad and I wanted to drink my troubles away.. So I didn't.

    Oregondaisy and Jane! Oh dating! Wow is all I can say.. But it is interesting the thing you said having your pick, that's got to be such a weird feeling scrolling down a page picking out one.

    I'd probably be picky too! Eh this one has a butt chin... NEXT! :P

    Fudge?? Did someone mention fudge??? Something I must avoid! No baking this year!

    GT. You have been through the ringer.

    I hope you can just come back to the states and take care of yourself and go to school, skinniness..., daughters, my bad weekend had to do with my daughter.. It started with a knock on my door from another parent and it ended one hole in the wall (by my daughter) and emotional wrung out and shell shocked me...

    Ok it's settled we all need to treat ourselves with love and kindness through this holiday season.

    We will work on maintaining our successes.

    Because face it we are successful!

    I fasted today and it went well...

    I'm at 456 so I might have some "diet" hot cocoa tonight :D

    OK I finally got it to post the two quotes....FYE yes our family can drive us nuts....they think they know everything without communication back and forth...... :(

    Swizzly I so have been thinking about having an extra strong drink these days but instead am tempted to take a Norco just for the effect. I don't because that will lead to addiction and I know it. That I don't need to deal with.... :blush:

    Now the fudge, I'm going to a friends house today and have decided to make some fudge just because I have it on my mind...Hope I can forget about it though. Ha haha :blink:

    LV you are doing great on your fast days. Tomorrow I will have to fast and be out of the house all day long just so I am not tempted. My DH is home with a sinus infection and he is driving me crazy........ :( The man needs to get out an work....LOL

    Susan you can do this fast day, you've got a great start already.... :P


  5. My computer did it again, I have 2 quoted posts to reply too and I can't get it to quote here.....

    Susan welcome. This is a great program that has really worked for many people, even when your over by a tad....:P

    I love the people and the info here......very supportive and down to earth....

    LV Daughters are so wonderful and beautiful, (just like us) but also really hurt us emotionally. We so want the best for them...

    glad your ordeal is over. My whole Xmas is going to be different with a lot of different stressors but I'm going to let it be her issue and plan to enjoy mine. It will be good for her to move into the real world and have a lot of reality checks too. I have always wanted the best for her and now I'm letting her go with love..... :P

    Georgia I love your pic, it's very inviting. I am still working on having a new pic of me and posting here on this site. I see my pic and just get all wierded out.. LOL

    GT I love the feedback you gave to CGJ, it's perfect....I can tell you do a lot of reflecting...and moving for me is really scary. We had or am planning on moving to Oregon, but I am scared to death. I don't know how you do it... :P

    OD I really would like to meet you the next time I'm in Coos Bay. I'm thinking about coming up really soon too......

    Swizzly I hope things are going better for the time being. you've had more of your share of stuff.

    Susan I look forward to hearing more about you too. Once again, welcome, this is a fabulous group.... :rolleyes:


  6. I am 57 years of age and was sleeved October 11, 2011. I have lost between 75 go 80 lbs depending on where my bound weight is and I love it. I wear a size 6 pants and prefer a medium top but can wear a small if need too. I like them a bit loose. I haven't had any problems with complications other than my own brain having an addiction to sugar and lying to myself so that I will eat that horrible food.... LOL :P


  7. figuring out how to get myself to Germany, easier said than done but it is (as they say in the Army) my one meter target. I have some lines out, to find housing, a job, etc. The school in Seattle is Antioch and I found a great place to live BUT it is 30 min away from downtown. I am old enough that I really don't want a roommate, plus I would like to get a companion animal/therapy dog.

    The quote I have lived by since I was 21 is, "First, say to yourself what you would be, then, do what you have to do" -Epictetus.

    The other school I want is just outside Portland OR, in Forest Grove.

    I was incredibly down yesterday, seeing the therapist depresses me, and I didn't just fall off the cliff of food, I took a running leap - a bag of popcorn, the chocolate shell to an ice cream bar, a chocolate chip cookie, and half a corn dog. Total damage for the day - over 1300cals v_v. No wonder I am fatigued to the bone today.

    My forgetfulness is the most terrifying thing... I left my shower kit in the showers yesterday and didn't think twice about it, until today after insanity when I couldnt find it. Luckily it was in the showers, but somebody had stolen my very precious face wash. This sort of thing is not normal for me, and this is just one example, it is happening a lot and it is terrifying.

    I am focused on my health, what I eat, I guess I will have to look myself in the eye and have a little talk, and then square my shoulders and apply for SSDI, go to Germany, tell my Mother, set a course for taking the prereq classes, and find a job.

    I love all of you.

    GT you are a survivor. There is nothing wrong with applying for SSI. We need to live one day at a time and make the best of each day. This so much easier to say then to do it...

    Keep focusing on your health and eat as healthy as you can. We are all here for you!

    xoxoxo!


  8. Humm dating so scares me. I'm glad I'm married but worry that when something happens to him I will be alone too and looking for a BF. I do work with clients that are looking for dates and I tend to suggest joining a meet up group in his/her area that is something that is their passion. Not to go in looking for a date but get to know people because they are a line to others that are looking for people too....

    Yesturday and today have been bad days. I went to friends to help her with her chores and to get away from here because my dd and her bf were planning to go to the court house to get married. They didn't tell us and didn't invite us. :( and now she blames us for not going to the court when she or he never told us about it... So I've been doing a lot of emotional eating. My girl friend had a box of donuts there and I ate 2. Today at home I planned on doing a Protein day and can't even stick to the protein routine because I really want to eat.... This is a learning lesson. She and I will sit down an talk about it soon but she's impossible to talk too. she sees everybody else's fault but not her own. I know I'm venting and it will pass. She's moving to Oregon in January and she will have to grow up then. :P This is life.... :P


  9. Hi everyone, I had gone through all the posts and clicked on multiquotes and when I went to ad them here, it didn't work and now the multiquotes I selected are all gone.... No problem, I will wing it...

    I love seeing everyone with a Host below their name, I was offered it and am thinking about it.....

    Coops it is so frustrating when we have friends or coworkers making comments that are insensitive to our weight loss. A friend of mine would always make a comment in how intuitively her body needs carbs and that her eating habits are what keep her slim. She has totally been gaining weight on her diet plan and is in denial about her weight fluctuating up and down.....Now I think she's totally avoiding me......which hurts too......

    GT you have really had a lot of cr** come your way when it comes to your daily stressors, health, and not being able to lose weight. I wonder if eating less than 800 calories is really going to help, especially when it comes to eating healthy for optimal health benefits to keep the MS progression down.....I know your doing Dr Wahl's diet plan and it's really worked for her which s really hopeful. Gosh she went from being debilitated to regaining a lot of her functioning and appears to be doing really well. You are a very determined person and can also accomplish this........I love people with a lot of determination! They impress me so much...

    OD remember these guys your meeting on-line are perspective partners but the guy that is non-communicative needs to be kicked to the curb.......who needs someone like that! You deserve someone that is going to honor you and treat you like your the best thing that's ever happened to him....you are awesome! It will take quite a few dates before hitting the right one....but he's out there looking for you!

    M2G thank you for the feedback on my DD and DH and living situation. My DH tries to bring across a boundary and has attempted to talk with my DD but he even saids there's no talking to her. She's very stubborn and has to learn lessons the hard way. As for me, I'm just letting her spin her wheels (cognitively) and come to her senses and then her and I will talk. I will have to talk with my DH about just letting her stay with a contract that she will move out in January. It worries me because she will be moving 14 hours drive away from home and will not have anyone around her to help her except for her BF or Husband and his Mother......She is in a period of her life where she thinks she knows everything but really knows little about what it's like to have to support yourself and survive. This is life and it will be good for them. and for us....hard to launch our children. LOL

    LV I agree with talking with my DD and her finance (BF) about a contract with my DH. things have calmed down a bit but it has put a damper on our Xmas if I let it. Things will be really different this Xmas. :P And it's a good thing.

    So now if I can only get my grazing under control. I went to the store yesterday a few times and each time those stupid Reese's Peanut Butter Cups was calling my name, louder and louder! But I resisted and went home and made some turkey chili that was delicious..... :P Did a it of walking while pushing my friend in a wheel chair bc I get impatient with the speed that she goes at.....so it totally benefitted my exercise for the day.....at one time her terrier got out the door and I quickly pushed her over and ran after the terrier before he got out of the door and would have been down the street in a flash....This is really the fastest I have moved in a long time. I hate running and was shocked I could move so fast....It helps to have that 80 lbs gone..... :P Total NSV for me.....

    To all who are fasting today, I know you can do it, it is well worth it...... :P


  10. I have done really well with my sleeve. I'm wondering if you have contacted a nutritionist here. What kind of foods are you eating and how big are your portion sizes.... What was your starting BMI and do you know the size of the Bougie they used on your stomach. Perhaps we can get some answers to see where you are..... It is frustrating but first it would be helpful to have some of the info. :P


  11. I haven't dealt with food cravings to that extreme, but one thing that helps me is to have non food items I enjoy around. Maybe a basket of sugar free drink mix packets in the snack cupboard, crossword puzzle and a cute pen by the TV Chair, great smelling lotion and Chapstick on the nightstand. And a few notes tucked around that simply say " I love you"

    Lynda

    These are great ideas.... :P


  12. Laura ven my husband wants her to move out bc she's married and he believes if they make a decision to get married then they should be able to get their own place. It's confusing to me bc she and her boyfriend are living here right now. So I'm surprised he made that provision with them getting married. He believes that they will not leave.  She and her BF want to move to oregon bc it's cheaper to live there....in January....but I am being respectful and my DD blames me because I'm the one that has set boundaries with her and he won't.  So sad.....

    Ater she gets married


  13. It sounds like he has to be the one to decide he wants to stop. This is a compulsion for him. You are doing the best you can.

    My husband will eat and eat and eat if there's food left over at times and qwhen I tried to portion his food, he gets really angry. So I have resorted to not cooking that much. Just enough for him and me. I did get in trouble when my son and his girl friend was here and I had to stretch the grass fed steak to serve 4 adults instead of 2. He had a hissy fit and at that point I decided that he has to work on his own issue with eating. Hard choice but it is well worth it. Today, he is eating less on his own but I really don't cook much anymore bc I don't eat that much......It sounds like your DH has a much deeper compulsion but does have some boundaries when it comes to the bedroom. Good luck and remember, you can only take care of you and set a good example for him and the kids...... :P


  14. I've been busy with holiday stuff, but I'm here with everyone who is further out. It's very hard to resist as the years go by and I can eat more. It's a week after Thanksgiving, I am over my bounce range by two pounds and I just stuffed a gingerbread cookie in my mouth.

    For me, I have to weigh every day, and even that has not prevented holiday creep. I have to set myself first and remember as someone ( maybe lipstick lady) said, self soothing does not gave to be self sabotage. I do not deserve to overeat just because I've been busy and it's the holidays. I deserve to be at my preferred weight and healthy, happy, and strong. I'll have more to say later when my life settles down a bit.

    And on a final note, as with others, night is the worst. Like Butter, I sometimes go to bed early. The only hard rule I have 100% stuck to is no eating after I fall asleep until I get up the next morning. Pre-op, I was quite the middle of the night snacker.

    Lynda

    I have found myself overeating in an obsessive way......I struggle with this during the time that I am in an emotional upheaval and feeling like I have no control of anything. I am going through a major life change right now with DD impulsively getting married on 12/9 and her wanting to move to a different state in January with her BF and his mother.....I know this relationship will most likely flounder within a few months. Hopefully not, but the signs are there. So I am eating even when it gets hard to swallow and then I get nauseous.. An hour or so later I start eating some peanuts and realized this an threw the in the trash....later went to dinner (1/5 hours later) ordered some eggs and bacon. I am so thankful they tasted horrible and I discarded them. This is not easy. I haven't had this experience since being sleeved and am afraid I can't stop it....

    So let me ask this: from the perspective of a nighttime eater, how can the people around you support you? I'm married to a one, and I don't pretend to understand everything that drives the behavior. But what can your spouse, or friends, do to help?

    I recognize a lot of the "don't do this" answers. Just wondering if there are strategies that can be employed by anyone else in your orbit.

    I try to get out of the kitchen after 7:00pm and I don't really have anything in the house. I do have Quest Protein bars that do get me, but I'm determined to cancel the automatic order I have because they are simply crack to me......it doesn't always work, but most of the time it's all good....at night, I'm too lazy to get up so I just stay in bed until morning......:P

    Laura ven is correct, only you can change your behaviors, if he tries you will be extremely angry at him.....

    As I was typing I got an advertisement across my screen for some game on facebook... WTH! can anyone stop this Alex or is it my computer?


  15. I am on a roll this morning... posting away.

     

    I went into the office yesterday.  My size 8 slacks about fell off me - realized I haven't worn them since June... so either losing those last 8 pounds or plastics or both... maybe I do wear a six now - at least for some brands. I hate baggy butt and too loose of a waist pants!

     

    A guy i work with his trying to get me to go to lunch with him. That is a normal activity, but we haven't worked TOGETHER in about 10 years so this is definately a social thing.  He is fine, but I don't date people I work with AND I am not wowed by  him either. Nice guy though so I did agree to coffee. Anyway, this is a brand NEW situation for me. I have worked there for 21 years and this is the first time I recall being pursued.  Okay, after I got to about 170# I started getting the "oh wow, you look hot" but those were from friends/guys who meant it as a compliment and not looking for a date.   I need to figure out how to nicely say.. not interested.

    CGJ I work with individuals that are looking for their significant other and I always tell them it will take awhile...

    They will have to meet at least a 100 people and that it's a long process. But some find their significant other really fast.. :P

    I love your go get itness! Keep it up and you will find the right man.....

     

    COOPS and LAURA congrats with your daughters having a spectacular goal like this! Simply amazeballs! My daughter works for Pet Smart and is a mananger and her dream is to have children and have her husband support her....this scares me because I'm afraid she'll get lost....I know this is my problem and I'm trying to be happy for her....

     

    Brown and CGJ I am so sorry your sabotaged by all the tempting chocolates at the work place. But the more you resist the stronger you become...

     

    Now I have to go to the Guest Bars home and cancel my orders before I forget. It's due time.....

     

    Yesterday I noticed that I have been grazing all day, even when I'm not hungry. When I'm full, it gets harder for me to swallow and I have been ignoring that sensation and I got nauseous. I thought this is a great lesson that I need to recognize and just throw the remaining food away. So within an hour, I decided to eat some peanuts.....my body immediately produced a strong sneeze and then it clicked.....I threw the remainder of the peanuts in the trash.........Went to have dinner with a friend and ordered 2 fried eggs with bacon and fruit.....the food tasted horrible so I threw 3/4ths of it away. Today as I was reflecting back. I'm having an emotional time with my daughter getting married and my DH telling her she needs to move out if she's doing well enough to get married.......so I'm really feeling the stress and really want to binge I guess. This is so sad.  I feel lost with myself right now.  I'm sorry to burden you guys with this.....it really sucks and it's Xmas right around the corner......bahhhhhhhhhhhhh humbug!

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