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losing your gb will not cause you any problems long terms, it will not negatively affect digestion or bowle movements, it will jsut get rid of the risk of pain from a GB attack. the ble s secreted by the lver directly into the common bile duct then into the intestine- where as t would previously have been stored in the gb, so the GB is kind of a redundant organ in us these days. as for the surgery. the degree of gas pain varies from surgery to surgery eg how much of the insufflation gas they manage to get back out after the procedure- the gas is pumped n to make the organs stand apart so they can see what they are doing- ths gas cause irritation as well as that blated post op feeling, you can als get shoulder tip pain as the gas irritates the nerves. they removed the gas at the end of the procedure but some is left to be absorbed by the body over the next day or so ( some of teh irritation can take longer to settle) you also get abdomnal gas as they have been handling the past of teh intestinal tract etc, that kinds shocks everything, adn dsrupts its normal movement, so the gut has bacteria that produce gas all the time, yo u need the bugs to aid with digestion and normally the excess gas is absorbed or passed, when things are going slow tos tart with after surgery it causes gas pain- by getting mobile as soon aspossbilbe post op you will help speed things up both by passing the gas and getting things movng again! Post op pain should be less as most of the pain post band is from the post but we all know bansdster who have had nasty gas pain,i gues youcould be lucky with one and not so lucky with the next op> even so, it should not be as bad or as dangerous as a really bad episode of cholecystitis ( gall bladder attack)

what was it about there plan that was hard to follow?? it may be worth trying to tough it out for a while and it may get easier. for isnatance, i used to love carbs, in fact the more carbs i ate the more i seemed to want, i went on a low carb diet ( avoided pre processed and high gi foods) and t was really tough for the first few days, i had headaches, no energy and had terrible cravings for anythng starchy! but after about 3 to5 days those craving passed and now that i stick to low go carbs ( mainly fruit and veg) as well aslean protein, i am losing weight. i agree that you need to get the support of a nutriionist, it there program is tough to stick to they need to explain why it is tough, will it possiby get easier the longer you are on it? can it be modified a bit- bare in mind though that sometmes the pre op programs including the need for weght loss is a way to test how committed to the process the patent is! good luck

laprascopic surgery can be technically more challengeing for people with a higher bmi but it was originally proposed as an options specifically for the higher bm patients because of the reduced risks of complications and quicker healing ( i have a starting bmi of 60.9) I am also a type 2 diabetic and my bgls have gone back down to the normal range, they dropped when i lost around teh first 50 pounds- now, to put that in context, i was not on medication before losing weight but was about to be commenced on oral meds. You mention being on inuslin shots, i guarantee that your diabetes would improve and any mprovement reduces your risk of complications. if you lose weight and are able to ncrease your fitness levels- it just has to imporove your cardiovascular status. I still have about 90 to 100 to lose, i have lost 125 so far and i am wheelchair dependant- since losing weight, my diabetes has gone, my BP is normal, my cholesterol is better, my joint pain s better and best of all, i am an amputee and haved not had a prosthesis for about 5 to 6 yrs, i was considered hopelss because of my size and then i have ms that affected my remaining leg I i need an above knee prosthesis. a few weeks ago i got my first leg for yrs and can walk about 50 meters at a time ( total of about 250 for the day) may not sound like much but it is something i would never have done without losing the weight- its not a miracle, but the and does help to improve other helath conditions but do not forget that being morbdly obese is a potential killer but long before t kills you , it is likely to rob you of your independance- that was the push i needed to make this work. i had failed to lose weight with the band, then i woke oneday unable to move my leg, feel it or stand on it, i could not even transfer from cahir towheelchar- at 385 pounds, i weighed too much for others to help, that is embaressing! i was luckly my leg imrved rapidly and while its not as string as t was i can transfer even on a bad day now- but that short period when my ms flared up gain was enough to say watch out! there are worse things than premature death due to weight and for me loss of my independance was the thing feared most. I have lost 125 since nov last year

I have heard of this before, it is not uncommon for bandster to experience this first thing in the am I am tght until early afternoon but can manage it as you describe by having a small cup of somthing very warm immedicately prior to the meal- now i have esophageal dysmotlity issues that are made worse by MS nerve damage but some of us just have weaker muscular contractions in the esophagus ( or so i was told) they can't tell easily unitl after the surgery is done. even though my problems were very severe ( got close to having the band removed) I have been able to work out how my band works for me and we have modified the rules to suit ( my dietician and me) and i have now lost 125. I would be looking for answeres though, they can do some testing to see how well you esophagus is working and see if you have an issue there or maybe you just have an easly irritated band

h everyone, i am not new here, but i have not visited for quite some time, thought i would pop in again! I live in South Australia, i have been banded for a few yrs now but failed to lsoe weight for about 5 yrs and had lots of problems with swallowing. they took all the fluid out of the band adn almost took the band out. eventually i was diagnosed as having MS and that was causing the swallowing problems. once i new what the issue was i worked with a dietcian to modify the rules- back in november last year i was 386 pounds with a bmi of 60.9, now i have lost 125 pounds, i weigh 261 and have a bmi of 40.9. AS well as having ms i am also an amputee, i lost my leg at theknee 12 yrs ago and my remaining leg is ms affected. I have not had a prosthesis for about 5 yrs- until last month that is! it is very hard to fit a MO person with a prosthesis, especially when a an above knee prosthess is needed, it takes approx 80 % extra energy expenditure to walk with an AK prosthesis even if you are normal weight. early this year i bought a knee scooter and started trying to get a little bit mobile and that was enough to persuade the rehab Drs to try making a prosthess. they agreed but said that i would only walk a few steps at a time- in fact i can walk about 50 meters ( i have also had a knee replacement in the other leg some yrs ago!). Needless to say i am very proud of that achievement! mjsafari- you said that you were frustrated that you could not see that you had lost 45 pounds, i could have written the same post! in fact i think i did post on another board when i got to about 60 that it was embaressing that i was so big that i could not see the effects of dropping 50 to 60. truth is you are probably being tough on yourself! when i eventually usued a photo editing program to overlay a new photo over the original one, it became obvious that i had actually gotten significantly smaller- i tink its just tough for us to see because we see our reflections daily- now i do these update phots monthly as well as body measurements so that i have objective proff as to wether i am bigger smaller or the same- its worth doing! just use phot shop or gimp ( someting similar, make the newer photo a secondlayer over the frst photo and then make the second layer transparent- as long as thephots are taken in the same spot and posture, you can see some interesting changes. I have another 95 to 100 to get to goal but for the frst time in my life, losign ogreater than 50 % of my original body weight seems possible. I have proven to myself that even if you are completely immobile ( electric wheelchair), and have not only faled to lose weght but gained weight with the band for 5 yrs, you can turn that around and lose weight! i am over half way there now and it may take a whle but i know i will get there. As for lose skin that someone expressed concern about, i will deal with that at goal, in the meantime, i where the apron as proof of my success, as another poster said, i would rather it droop infront than been there and full of fat sticking out infront- at least good underwear can manage the loose skin!

I am feeling a bit better these days but still not working and definatley struggling a bit with the ms. I had thought that perhaps I had annoyed someone since my posts just seemed to get overlooked - I have not posted for the past couple of weeks simply because I had little energy and postedf on a board that did give instant support. i was sad though as you guys are more local. As long as i had no caused offence to anyone, i guess that is the main thing

HI guys, havent't checked in for a while as I have been unwell- i have been in and out of hospital over the past few weeks thansk to a relapse of my MS- Idid actually make acouple of posts a while back and responded to a few on the board and never recieved any aknowledgement at all- I must stay that I felt as if I had been given the cold shoulder as I was looking for some support at tough time. glad to see that everyone is doing well, the new thread is a good idea and seems to be avoiding all that obnoxious spam that had crept in. I think it is a good idea that it is a general Aussie thread rather than specific states.

Hi guys I have jsut been catching up with all the posts, I have not been around much recently infact I have jsut come out of hospital again ( 4th stay in the past month!) I am having a flare of my MS and it is turning out to be the worst attack I have had. I love the support from these boards but jsut do not have the energy to function at the computer. the good think s that I am dropping weight pretty quickly thanks to vertigo induced nausea I am now only about 1 1/2 pounds away from going under the 300pound mark for the first time in close to a decade- guess there is always a positive side to everything. I have been blubbering so much recently too, i can't believe it I jsut cry for now reason, my Doc thinks its from the high dose steroids, i hope he isright becuase that means this feeling should pass soon- i hate not feeling in control. Sorry to hear that a few of you are not feeling well too, sounds like the cold and flu season is kicking in a bit earlier this year! I really hope that this post finds you all starting to feel a bt better and brighter. take care of yourselves

hi guys, I have jsut come out of hospital for the 4th time in the past month. I stll really crook. no energy at all and feel dizzy most of the time. Even with the steroids I do not seem to be making much headway. I f I have a better day and start thinking thats things are getting better I start feeling pretty crook again. My neurologist is being very supportve but he says it is just a case of time and riding it out. LAst time I had a falre like ths with these kinds of symptoms it was almost 6 months of going in and out for hospital. For some reason I can't stop crying, i feel so miserable. Overall my life is good at the moment and I have noting other than the ms to really be bothered about so I do not know where all the strong emotons are comng ffrom. I'm not sure if ists because I am relating this episode to the one that made me ill for months or if t is possibley a sde effects of the steroids. I don't like it what ever it is as it makes me feel lilke i am not in control of myself. crying at the dro of a hat in a public place is very embarassing. I can't work at the moment or go to uni so I am pretty much stuck at home. any prayers to help gve me strenght to endure this would be gratefully received. thanks for listening to me whinge

sorry you are having a tough time bronnie- you will work this out, it will get better. its jsut not pleasant at the time.

thats the way I interpreted it Ron. I really went back to look for the supposed insults and tree hugger was the closest I could find and thats the only reason mentioned it at all. There have been some very spiteful debate that have been very personal at times on this board and I jsut don't want to see what could be an interesting topic turned into its own toxic waste thread. AS I said, in my first post, I lean between the 2 extremes. I know that there have been a lot of different clmatic events in the hstory of the world and that humans have only been around for a short part of that. guess there are a few issues. whether we cause it or not, we can be victims of the current warming cycle. Hence my interst in the subject. I do alsoe think that we do have more of an ablity to nfluence our environment for both good and bad than every before and more than any other species on earth. we are makng attempts to alter the way nature works. What we do today may not have a huge effect in the geologcal timelline 1000 yrs from now but then agan we may have made it a bit worse or a bit better- thats where I think we are at the moment. we can and do make small changes and it s up to us which direction we go

I agree with Jachut comment and the ensuing replies that the person could have at elast offered to make a call but if we are thnkning in a christian and caring manner we wll not be so quick to judge his behaviour. WHAT IF and know it is a big " what if"! but jsut what if that man had been in a life threatening situation related to helpng others in the past. THis is the sort of thing that can lead to post traumatic shock syndrome and even simple events can trgger awful flashbacks that go right back to the orignal event- it is very real and feals everybt as terrifying as the original event. so I would feed back to the local pastor, they can look at whot was and the actual event. I can understand Devanas fear and hurt but none of us should be so quick to judge

bascally thats what I was saying Wavydaby. At the moment we can all find scientists that can quote plausible arguments for both options. My personal opionon ( and its only that) is that life is rarely black and white ( or hot and cold!) so we need to be aware of both sides of the story. accept that they may not be sure about what is happening now unitl many years, decades, centuries down the path. With that in mind we then need to be as responsible as we can about the resources we each consume. There are some very interesting sites around like the ones that show water and power consumption used indirectly in manufacturing etc. I have switched over years ago to energy conserving light bulbs ( mini fluros) now I have found that LED technolgy is better still! more expensive at the moment like mini fluros were originally by they are at least 5 times more efficient, by producing far less heat. so as I can afford to change over I will. I did not see any insults thrown around either at the moment and I hope it doesn't happen- did just see the tree hugger comment and it is not useful so i ignored it!. I did not understand the quip about the fish but i don't think that was an insult either. at the moment I don't even think this rates as a RANT or RAVE, jsut an off topic discussion. is someone hoping to spark off another rant by picking a tpoc that tends to have polarized views. If this is a genuine discussion it is worthwhile but f it is an attempt to start another trail of insults as has happened before its more toxic than industrial pollution and should stop now. hopefully it is what I frst thought and an genuine attempt to share views