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Lisa, there you are! Lisa right? So it dawned on me that I messed up .... If I would have allowed them to test me for the hernia prior to surgery, when Dr. Reilly repaired it - (because I did have one) insurance would have re-imbursed me... I was so eager that I did not fully consider this part in wisdom. so I do recommend having this done to everyone... 5,000 is 5,000 - regardless I am happy!