Ron Cusano

But there are certain things that you don't compromise if you are a Christian, and that is condoning what you know or believe to be evil. No, you can never find the "perfect" canidate. It's like trying to find the "sinless" man. No one is perfect. In today's politics, being pro-rich and anti-poor is very subjective. I don't think that any canidate from either party would lay claim to those titles. Those charges are hurled back and forth in every election. Helping our fellow man that those in need are certainly good Christian virtues, but I don't think we need to compromise or values and moral beliefs to work in that direction. I think that more is down in that area privately that was ever done by politics.

Tommy, The Bible is more that explicit about homosexuality, and I never said that "when the laws do not meet your need you insist that one is only required to follow the teachings of the bible". You are misquoting me. Maybe that is what you thought I wrote. If you go back a read it again, you will see that I said "we are obligated to obey the laws of the land except where thay are in violation to the Word of God and the commandments of God". You accused me of making contridictions on scriptural issues that I talked about. I challenge you to show them to me!! As far as disagreements on the scriptures, you either beleive what they say or you don't. You can't take what you want and change what you don't like. Sadly, most liberal Christian denomination do exactly that. They say they believe in the Bible, but when it some to things they have a problem accepting, they rationalize around it. You can't pick and choose a verse of scripture and build your own belief system around it. It has to fit in with and be consistant with the WHOLE teaching of scripture. There is no contridiction between the Old and the New Testaments, only misapplication by some who may not be as familar with the Bible as they should be. I have NEVER asked anyone to accept or believe anything about the scriptures just because I said so. My opinion means nothing. I constantly encourage people to open the Bible and see for themselves. I usually give them scriptural reference to point them in the right direction, but the Word of God is clear and explicit, and doesn't need any help from me.

They are out there! They are usually what is referred to as Conservatives, but there are exceptions even there. Maybe you are looking in the wrong places!! :-)

You forgot choice #3 - Do all in nour power to raise up good, solid moral canidates for public office that will uphold Judeo-Christian ethics and principals. It has been my observation that most canidates that are anti-abortion and anti gay marriage usually fall into this catagore, so there are rarely a shortage of canidates to vote for. No, I don't believe we have to, or should accept the lessor of two evils, because that still leaves us with "evil"!!

I work in sales and most of my salary is based upon commissions so my time is my own. I am at liberty to make my own hours, come in to the office or work from home, or go on the road. So, to answer your concern, I am not stealing anything from my employer.

Oh, but I do understand that you are speaking your "conscience"! What I am trying to point out is thet your "conscience" is at odds with the clear teaching of scripture in which you say you believe. That seems to be a contridiction. I am not suggestion that you follow MY conscience, but rather that YOUR conscience should be in harmony with the Bible, which is your spiritual foundation.

Oh, but I do understand that. What I am trying to point out is that your "conscience" is at odds with the teaching of the Bible which you said you believe in. There seems to be a contridiction. I am not saying that you should follow my conscience, but rather, as a Christiance, your conscxience should be in harmony with your beliefs.

I, for one, will not vote for any canidate that has taken a position in favor of anything I consider to be against by spiritual and moral beliefs. Being right on some points does not offset being on the wrong side of the fence on other inportant moral issues. Yes, Jesus healed the sick and did many miracles and wonderful things, all in fulfillment of prophecy to establish His messianiac credentials. Although he cares about all of our suffering, that was not the specific reason for his actions during the 3 1/2 years of his public ministry. And all of the other things that you mentioned ate terrible social issues, but supporting immoral laws isn't going to fix them.

They did, after all, write most of the New Testament, did they not. So, how would Jesus have answered that?

You certainly don't have to answer to me about anything. Let me ask you a question! You said last week that if you had to vote about same sex marriage you would abstain. How do you think Jesus, Paul, Peter, John, James, Moses or any of the men of God in scripture would have answered that question?

Gladly! Meanwhile, whay don't you check the Bible yourseld to see what it says on applying the Word of God to every aspect of your life?

Forget what you think! Forget what I think! What does God think?? If Paul, Peter and John were living with us today and someone was trying to pass a law allowing homosexual marriage, how do you think they would vote??

They was living and practicing a lifestyle that God calls an abomination. They wanted to seduce angels from God and use them for homosexual sex. You don't thing that homosexuality "had a bad effect on that society??”

As Christians, we are to apply God's law and commandments into everything that we do, thing, say and are! Again, I am at work without a Bible handy, but if you know you scriptures, you can find hundreds of verses that tell you the same thing.,

Deciding what is right, wrong, abominal or otherwise, has to be based upon some moral standard. The laws in the country, thank God, were and hopefully still are based upon Judeo-Christian ethics and morals. That is not forcing religion on anyone, that is imposing a code of moral behaviour on people, without which you could not have peace or order. There is a big difference. Can you suggest another moral foundation that YOU would rather see laws based upon??

Well, with regard to voting your conscience and applying your moral standards to your voting, for one!

The verse says "They were haughty and did detestable things before me"! So now go to the first Chapter of Romans and read the consequenses of doing "detestable things before God"!!

Because procreation is a blessing from God, and no one knows why He chooses to not bless some unions with children. That does not change the biblical foundation of marriage. Liberal Christians say they believe the Bible, except whan that don't like what it says, and then they "interpret" their own meaning to it.

You are talking about apples and oranges! Living in a Theocracy requires one to accept and embrace a specific religion. We are not talking about forceing any one religion on anyone. We are talking about laws against abominable practices which were outlawed in this country from it's inception. All laws are established to distinguish what is right or wrong in given situtions. Our laws that were established from Judeo-Christians morals and principals which were the foundation of our government. These laws have never infringed on anyone's rights to practice or not practice any religion of their choice. Do you have a better foundation on which to establish what is right or wrong?? The Bible also tells us that we must obey the laws of the land EXCEPT if the are contrary to God's commandments.

Do I really believe that homosexuality was the reason for the downfall of Sodom? The real downfall was the turning away from God which resulted in homosexuality and manyn other godless acts and practices. If Christians believe the Bible, they we are at odds with sin from every direction and have an obligation to do all that we can to fight against it. Our obligation does not stop at the ballot box. We need to vote our conscience, and if our conscience is opposed to sin, we need to vote that way. Unless you don't connsider homosexual ,practice a sin, and then your argument is with the scriptures.

The fact that there are some marriages that don't produce children does not change the biblical intent of marriage. You can rationalize it any way you want, but in the end what it boils down to is do you believe and accept what the scriptures say abgout marriage and homosexuality. I guess that is what seperates Conservative Christians from Liberal Christians - we believe the Bible!

Interesting! As much as I am against evolution, I think claiming and trying to prove that it came out of Kabbala is going to be very hard to do. I have never heard this claim before, and I have never seen any evidence to support it. And I think the complaining organization is right. I does serve to make the Jewish people look like a cult. There is enough anti-semitism around already.

Because everything else that exists, "plasma, physical, or something " exists in the universe that is subject to the cause and effect rules you are talking about. You are thinking in terms of what you can "see, touch and prove", which is your world of science. If I am not mistaken, even Einstein theroized that there was other demensions that are not subject to the universal laws as we know them. That is a great explanation of "eternity"!

PS - If nothing else, I think that we have proven here today that we can have serious dialog and discussion, disagree with each other, and not go for each others throats. It is kind of refreshing!!

I fully understand what you are saying. It's kind of like the "cause and effect" theory. What I am trying to say is that God, being spirit, is not subject to these limitations that would otherwise be correct for all "things". God is not a thing that exists in the enviroment that we call "the universe". He exists on a spiritual level that we can't even comprehend; a place we refer to as "eternity" that has no beginning and no end, and always was with God. To our human understanding, you need to have something to create something. But God created from nothing. It's a whole different ballgame, and I don't think that any human can ever understand it until we enter eternity.