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BTW - 90% of the teabaggers poll that they think the government is too big and headed toward socialism BUT 70% of them poll that they want the government to create jobs.:tt1: I don't think they even know what they want, how the government works or much of anything. They just know they hate Obama and they take it from there.

You always throw those buzz words out there - like freedom. Pres. Obama is taking away our freedoms. Which ones? Speech, religion, assembly, owning a gun, voting - which ones? Because it isn't happening. It just is more imflammatory rhetoric. If anyone infringed on our constitutional rights, it was bush with his warrantless wiretapping. I can't wait for November, either, when the republicans won't make nearly the gains they think they will. Oh, they will win some seats, no biggie, but they will not take the majority. They had the majority under bush and we are all currently paying the price for their disasterous and failed policies.

Like I posted before, the republicans who voted no wanted to deny the american people a chance to have the healthcare THEY have, that WE pay for. And remember: If you like your healthcare, you keep it. Why would Pres. Obama want to change his or his family's? And what are they being exempt from anyway? They already have healthcare.

Attacks and violence by those on the left have diminished while those on the right have increased: Are right-wing domestic terrorists still active? Yes. Attacks by left-wing or special-interest groups were the most common until the 1990s, when right-wing terrorists began staging more attacks aimed at civilians. The FBI says that the Oklahoma City bombing was carried out by far-right extremists who feared increased UN involvement in domestic policies, opposed stricter gun-control laws, and were enraged by “several confrontations between members of right-wing groups and law enforcement officers at Waco, Texas, and Ruby Ridge, Idaho.” A right-wing extremist, Eric Robert Rudolph, was also responsible for the 1996 Olympics bombing in Atlanta that killed two and injured more than one hundred. The decline of right-wing terrorist attacks since 2001 could be attributed to extremists’ anger shifting toward foreign entities and away from the U.S. government, the Los Angeles Times reported in March 2008. The FBI reports that eight of the fourteen terrorist acts prevented between 2002 and 2005 were planned by right-wing groups. The others ranged from an anarchist plan to bomb a Coast Guard station, a prison-gang attempt to attack military and Jewish targets around Los Angeles, and a few people who attempted, individually, to establish ties with al-Qaeda. And yes, PG, those on the right who promote violence are domestic terroritsts.

from pattygreen (with reference to my posts about violence from the teaparty and right wing):"This 'violence' you speak of is in your head as well as every other liberal out there who would just 'love' to see it be true. Since it isn't true, they feel the need to make it up." I will say the same thing to you, now. You have made up all of this, none of it is true, you have made it up and it's all in your head. You would just love it to be true. When the posts about the teaparty violence were made, I don't recall anything being said about condoning violence from the other side but condemning it from the right. So, I hardly see where all your ad infinitum, ad nauseum posts have any relevance. They're just further deflection from the issue at hand. AND THAT ISSUE IS WE WON ON HEALTHCARE AND YOU LOST. PERIOD.

I know you meant did anyone carry out physical violence that their sign reflected? No, I don't think bush was lynched.

No, you are the hypocrite, PG. None of these people threw bricks at the republican's offices or severed gas lines at the home of a man with 4 children under 8. Signs might be offensive, but they are not vandalism or violent. And when you couldn't counter any of the endless examples of hypocrisy on the part of the republicans that I started with my thread, you found a reason to have it shut down. That won't stop me though. :eek:

Did any of the anti-bush protestors sever a gas line, throw bricks through windows of republicans who voted yes on the Iraqi war?

Video Democrats threatened over health bill March 25: Some lawmakers are taking extra security precautions after receiving death threats over their votes in favor of health reform legislation. Msnbc’s David Shuster reports. msnbc tv

Enlarge AP Photo/Monroe County Democratic Committee This picture provided on Wednesday, March 24, 2010 by the Monroe County Democratic Committee in Rochester, N.Y. shows damage to their office after a glass door was struck with a brick with a note reading "Exremism [sic] in Defense of Liberty Is no Vice" sometime from late Saturday, March 20, 2010 or Sunday, March 21, 2010.

You are getting increasingly desperate, PG. These signs are irrelevant to the issue of violence from the right that is taking place TODAY!!

I'm sure the secret service never looked into any of these threats against bush, being that they are liberal democrats. :eek: And I'm sure fox news never reported any of this either and of course it was eliminated from that liberal internet. Oh, wait, no it wasn't. You found it, didn't you? :tt1: Just another tactic to deflect. Is that all you have now, PG, you have to go back and dig up some old pictures?

Well, then, that just makes it okay that those on the right have engaged in violence. Did this man actually bomb the white house? Let me think for a minute. Ah, no. I guess his SIGN (which is a non-violent protest) makes it okay to sever the gas line at the home of a brother of a democratic congressman, or throw bricks through window of democratic offices or spit on reps. Yes, it's all so clear now. :tt1:

:tt1: Yawn.

By Susan Page, USA TODAY WASHINGTON — More Americans now favor than oppose the health care overhaul that President Obama signed into law Tuesday, a USA TODAY/Gallup Poll finds — a notable turnaround from surveys before the vote that showed a plurality against the legislation. By 49%-40%, those polled say it was "a good thing" rather than a bad one that Congress passed the bill. Half describe their reaction in positive terms — as "enthusiastic" or "pleased" — while about four in 10 describe it in negative ways, as "disappointed" or "angry."

We won and the american people are seeing the truth about this healthcare reform and in 6 months when many of the popular aspects of it are implemented people are going to see that all the doom and gloom predictions by the lying right wing just aren't true. The tide is turning and the polls reflect it. People are moving over to thinking this bill is a good thing. See my post below. So, just keep on fighting it PG if you choose but healthcare is the law of the land. It doesn't matter if republicans win in November, they don't have the votes to repeal it. And all these AG lawsuits? Just a huge waste of taxpayer money. They will lose. The government demands (mandates) that we do things like paying taxes, or during a draft - serve in the military. So, keep fighting if you have nothing better to do. But for the rest of us, we won and we're moving on.

From Factcheck.org. Only a partial list of debunking the lies on this youtube video. You can go to fact check for the complete list: Claim: Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure! False: This section merely requires a study of “the large group insured and self-insured employer health care markets.” There’s no mention of auditing employers, only of studying “markets.” The purpose of the study is to produce “recommendations” to make sure the new law “does not provide incentives for small and mid-size employers to self-insure.” Claim: Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed! False: This section says nothing whatsoever about “rationing” or anything of the sort. Actually, it’s favorable to families and individuals, placing an annual cap on what they could pay out of pocket if covered by a basic, “essential benefits package.” The limits would be $5,000 for an individual, $10,000 for a family. Claim: Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer, there will be no appeals process) False: Actually, the section starting on page 30 sets up a “private-public advisory committee” headed by the U.S. surgeon general and made up of mostly private sector “medical and other experts” selected by the president and the comptroller general. The advisory committee would have only the power “to recommend” what benefits are included in basic, enhanced and premium insurance plans. It would have no power to decide what treatments anybody will get. Its recommendations on benefits might or might not be adopted. Claim: Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner” will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice. None. False: The new Health Choices Commissioner will oversee a variety of choices to be offered through new insurance exchanges. The bill itself specifies the “minimum services to be covered” in a basic plan, including prescription drugs, mental health services, maternity and well-baby care and certain vaccines and preventive services (pages 27-28). We find nothing in the bill that prevents insurance companies from offering benefits that exceed the minimums. In fact, the legislation allows (page 84) any company that offers an approved basic plan to offer also an “enhanced” plan, a “premium” plan and even a “premium plus” plan that could include vision and dental benefits. Claim: Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided with free healthcare services. False. That’s simply not what the bill says at all. This page includes "SEC. 152. PROHIBITING DISCRIMINATION IN HEALTH CARE," which says that "[e]xcept as otherwise explicitly permitted by this Act and by subsequent regulations consistent with this Act, all health care and related services (including insurance coverage and public health activities) covered by this Act shall be provided without regard to personal characteristics extraneous to the provision of high quality health care or related services." However, the bill does explicitly say that illegal immigrants can’t get any government money to pay for health care. Page 143 states: "Nothing in this subtitle shall allow Federal payments for affordability credits on behalf of individuals who are not lawfully present in the United States." And as we’ve said before, current law prohibits illegal immigrants from participating in government health care programs. Claim: Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard. False. There is no mention of any “National ID Healthcard” anywhere in the bill. Page 58 says that government standards for electronic medical transactions "may include utilization of a machine-readable health plan beneficiary identification card,” to show eligibility for services. Insurance companies typically issue such cards already, but if such a standard were issued the cards would need to be in a standard form readable by computers. The word “may” is used to permit such a standard, but it does not require one. Claim: Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for electronic funds transfer. False. This section aims to simplify electronic payments for health services, the same sort of electronic payments that already are common for such things as utility bills or mortgage payments. The bill calls for the secretary of Health and Human Services to set standards for electronic administrative transactions that would "enable electronic funds transfers, in order to allow automated reconciliation with the related health care payment and remittance advice." There is no mention of "individual bank accounts" nor of any new government authority over them. Also, the section does not say that electronic payments from consumers is required. And the lies from those on the right, just like the beat, goes on....:tt1:

from USA today: For employers •By 2014, employers who have more than 50 employees must offer health insurance benefits or pay penalties. Companies with 25 or fewer employees who meet certain wage requirements will also be able to get credits toward health insurance purchases. •By 2014, small-businesses owners, the self-employed and those who don't get work-provided coverage can get benefits through Small Business Health Options Programs (SHOPs). These state-run marketplace exchanges will work with carriers to pool insurance options, with the hope that costs will be lower for a larger, more powerful, group. Firms will get a one-stop source to find out about insurance, says Shawn Nowicki, director of public policy at HealthPass, a commercial health insurance exchange. •By 2018, high-end health plans with premiums of more than $10,200 for an individual policy per individual and $27,500 per family — not including vision and dental — would be subjected to a "Cadillac" tax. (The average cost of a family plan in 2009 was $13,375, with employees on average paying $3,515 and employers paying $9,860, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.) The excise tax would be paid by employers that self-insure (most large firms do) and insurance companies, but small-business experts expect these costs to be passed along to smaller firms via premium increases.

Healthcare has been debated for decades and intensely for the past year. It passed by our elected representatives. That is not shoving it down our throats. It is what Pres. Obama ran on and was elected on. The republicans who voted no were voting to NOT allow the american people access to the healthcare that congress has that we taxpayers pay for.

thanks, tdslf1. I saw that article, too. Typical of the republicans to try to deflect from what is going on with the right wing extremists with whom many from their party were standing the other day in DC when racial slurs, spitting, etc.. took place. Some republicans were helping to hold up their banners. They are trying to pooh, pooh, it. No big deal. Well, it is a big deal. And I think the american people think it's a big deal. Of course there are some on this board who are in denial and say that all this violence is just in our heads. Wow!

Thank you. I was at a women's democratic function tonight and in the program booklet was a great quote: "A test of progress is not whether we add more to the abundance of those who have much, It is whether we provide enough for those who have too little." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt The Roosevelts, like the Kennedys had much but spent a lifetime of public service to help those who have too little.

Well, I'm glad to see that since 2004 you came around. I had to laugh when you said the military tends to lean one bit to the right. Ya think? Anyway, I am glad you have some voice in the primaries. In my state, we have closed primaries. Democrats can only vote for democrats and republicans for republicans and independents can't vote in the primaries. I am as optimistic as you for 2012.

The thing about that, LeighaMason, is that there would be no shortage of dumbf**ks in TX to head it up.

Very well said, BJean. Howard Dean said it best when he said the south has been voting republican for 30 years and what have they done for them? They still have the poorest schools, the lowest wages, the highest poverty, etc.. But hey, the republicans are anti-abortion, anti-gay - but try paying your mortgage with that. The republicans have never done one thing for the middle class. But the democrats are terrible at getting their message out. They need to do a better job. I sure do my part. :Banane20:

Did you see the skit where Jon Stewart made fun of Glenn Beck? You can probably find it on youtube. I don't watch beck but I know he uses a chalkboard. But the other day on MSNBC they showed a couple minutes of his show and there he was ranting and writing on the chalkboard that had all these faces pasted on it and he wasn't making any sense. None at all. He sounded like someone who had a mental illness that causes confusion and a detachment from reality. It made the Jon Stewart skit all the funnier. I thought he was exaggerating. He wasn't. Are there people with more than two brain cells out there who actually watch and believe this guy? I mean I just looked at it with utter disbelief. I guess there are more stupid people out there than I thought.